Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler

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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#321 » by grindtime22 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:56 am

Eskobar13 wrote:
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Eskobar13 wrote:Clippers got more from Harris than the Pacers got from George


:crazy:


Sabonis barely had 1st round value and Oladipo was seen as a negative contract at the time of the trade, neutral at best. Miami pick alone probably beats the value they had at that time. What's crazy about what I stated?


There is perceived value and actual value. The Pacers obviously valued Oladipo at a much higher level than other people around the league. The Celtics were ready to give them no bad money and multiple 1st rounders and the Pacers pulled the trigger on the Indiana deal. There were better perceived deals on the table, but the Pacers obviously got more at the end of the day (Unless Miami goes completely into the toilet).
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Post#322 » by RaptorsLife » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:57 am

I think both teams benefited greatly
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Post#323 » by Adam1221 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:58 am

I really liked this season's Clippers - such a scrappy hard working team, all of that is out the door now and they're heading back to the lottery again.
That being said strictly value wise great trade for Jerry West and if Philly gets some cheap veteran shooters they can make noise.
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#324 » by TheNewEra » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:58 am

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Maybe to Sacramento so they have a real SF which should help them chasing the 8th seat?

Maybe something like Randolph, Koufos and one of their less talented young guys? Z-Bo and Koufos are on expiring contracts


Expiring plus a couple of seconds. I seriously doubt the clippers wuoldn't receive less than that for a player like gallo who is playing at the highest level of his career.


Z-Bo and a 2 2nds for Wilson Chandler makes more sense to me.

Gallo could probably fetch a 1st. His health is the only thing that hurts his value, he is a stud.



Chandler seems to be hurt and out for a while more likely a buyout.

Kings, Utah, Nets, and maybe Heat could all use Gallonari for playoff push. Whoever doesn’t ask for anything and offers pure expiring with best incentives should get him today.
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Post#325 » by Young gun 6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:58 am

Eskobar13 wrote:
Wilfried wrote:
Eskobar13 wrote:Clippers got more from Harris than the Pacers got from George


:crazy:


Sabonis barely had 1st round value and Oladipo was seen as a negative contract at the time of the trade, neutral at best. Miami pick alone probably beats the value they had at that time. What's crazy about what I stated?



Oladipo and Sabonis even at that time had a lot more combined value than a likely 10-16 pick the year before the he super draft of high schoolers and college players..

Hell Oladipo had 10-16 pick value himself... let alone adding a young asset with huge upside in Sabonis.
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Post#326 » by Wilfried » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:00 pm

Eskobar13 wrote:
Wilfried wrote:
Eskobar13 wrote:Clippers got more from Harris than the Pacers got from George


:crazy:


Sabonis barely had 1st round value and Oladipo was seen as a negative contract at the time of the trade, neutral at best. Miami pick alone probably beats the value they had at that time. What's crazy about what I stated?


'Clippers got more from Harris than the Pacers got from George' and 'Miami pick alone probably beats the value they had at that time' is pretty crazy.

People should do their homework. It's not because the pick is unprotected that it's an automatic top 5 pick.
No one can predict it's value. It's not because it has the word unprotected on it that it will be a high pick for sure.

The Lakers' pick from 2018 and Sacramento pick from 2019 should give people more of an idea what picks are worth when a team doesn't have a reason to lose on purpose.

Miami is not in the best shape, but they have some nice young players and there's still a 2020 cap space summer for them to work with too.

And unlike Philly, Boston, ... , they have FA-appeal.

We'll see.

But talking like Landry Shamet and a very uncertain pick is more worth than Oladipo (All-Star) and Sabonis (double-double machine) is pretty strange.
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Post#327 » by TheNewEra » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:03 pm

Adam1221 wrote:I really liked this season's Clippers - such a scrappy hard working team, all of that is out the door now and they're heading back to the lottery again.
That being said strictly value wise great trade for Jerry West and if Philly gets some cheap veteran shooters they can make noise.



Part of me was looking forward to a playoff series if we moved up from 8th. Team could of pulled a upset with its depth somewhere but this is for the best.

Lou and Harrell are the bench so those two should carry over to next season. Drop out keep the pick and add that to the depth.

SGA/Wallace/Robinson/Motley/Shamet should all be getting more mins to prepare for max guys coming in next season.
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Post#328 » by QRich3 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:05 pm

Rare win-win trade for both teams. Contrary to some opinions in this thread, Tobi is perfect for playing alongside a playmaker like Simmons and two scorers like Embiid and Butler, he thrives off the ball and not just for spot up shooting, he's great at attacking close-outs, he can handle broken plays either by getting a pick or isolating, and he can take on the weight of the offense when he plays with bench units. He's kind of the perfect offensive guy that you can plug into pretty much any situation, but you wouldn't want as your main piece all the time. His contract is gonna be really big, but it's the kind of thing you can swallow when you're in a contending phase like the 76ers should be trying to.

For the Clippers it's great, they are not in the kind of situation they can afford to pay him $35M a year with not a lot to put around him. I was advocating for trading him even when I only expected a return like expiring fodder + the Pacers pick, or the Jazz pick. Getting two 1sts, two 2nds and a nice piece in Shamet is better than I expected. Hopefully they have a fire sale now, even if it's way too late to get into the Zion race (which should've been the main priority this season).

CelticsLV wrote:Salary wise doesn't seem to work.

It works if you do it in two separate deals:
Tobi for Chandler
Bobi and Scott for Muscala & Shamet
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Post#329 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:06 pm

grindtime22 wrote:
Eskobar13 wrote:
Wilfried wrote:
:crazy:


Sabonis barely had 1st round value and Oladipo was seen as a negative contract at the time of the trade, neutral at best. Miami pick alone probably beats the value they had at that time. What's crazy about what I stated?


There is perceived value and actual value. The Pacers obviously valued Oladipo at a much higher level than other people around the league. The Celtics were ready to give them no bad money and multiple 1st rounders and the Pacers pulled the trigger on the Indiana deal. There were better perceived deals on the table, but the Pacers obviously got more at the end of the day (Unless Miami goes completely into the toilet).

Pacers didn't value anything. Their GM has said so. He expected only minor improvement at best from Oladipo.
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Post#330 » by Eskobar13 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:10 pm

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
grindtime22 wrote:
Eskobar13 wrote:
Sabonis barely had 1st round value and Oladipo was seen as a negative contract at the time of the trade, neutral at best. Miami pick alone probably beats the value they had at that time. What's crazy about what I stated?


There is perceived value and actual value. The Pacers obviously valued Oladipo at a much higher level than other people around the league. The Celtics were ready to give them no bad money and multiple 1st rounders and the Pacers pulled the trigger on the Indiana deal. There were better perceived deals on the table, but the Pacers obviously got more at the end of the day (Unless Miami goes completely into the toilet).

Pacers didn't value anything. Their GM has said so. He expected only minor improvement at best from Oladipo.


No point really. I just wish all these hindsight people told me where they buy their crystal balls so I can become a billionair and be an actual owner/GM instead of spending time on Real GM :)
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Re: Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler 

Post#331 » by justinriley11 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:11 pm

this one really confuses me for the clippers...they are in a position to get a playoff spot, why trade your best player for some decent players and late first round draft picks.....starting to think everyone watched that 42 win by the Pacers last night and are stacking up their teams to compete with that 12 man deep roster. :nod:
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Post#332 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:14 pm

NY did the same thing, both seem to think they can land 2 max FAs.
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Post#333 » by Wilfried » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:14 pm

Eskobar13 wrote:
C3H6N6O6 wrote:
grindtime22 wrote:
There is perceived value and actual value. The Pacers obviously valued Oladipo at a much higher level than other people around the league. The Celtics were ready to give them no bad money and multiple 1st rounders and the Pacers pulled the trigger on the Indiana deal. There were better perceived deals on the table, but the Pacers obviously got more at the end of the day (Unless Miami goes completely into the toilet).

Pacers didn't value anything. Their GM has said so. He expected only minor improvement at best from Oladipo.


No point really. I just wish all these hindsight people told me where they buy their crystal balls so I can become a billionair and be an actual owner/GM instead of spending time on Real GM :)


Aren't you one of those hindsight people then?
Because you clearly know that those picks will become better value than Oladipo (#2 pick) and Sabonis (#11 pick).
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Post#334 » by AIfan3 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:15 pm

This trade will test Butler. We're going to see if he's really all about winning or about his stats. All that talking he did in the offseason, lets see if he's ready to sacrifice for a championship.
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Post#335 » by Wilfried » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:19 pm

Sixers defensive potential (and possible switching) become scary. Because Tobias seems a capable defender (3/4 position) too.

Him replacing Wilson Chandler is a big upgrade, not only offensively
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Post#336 » by C3H6N6O6 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:20 pm

justinriley11 wrote:this one really confuses me for the clippers...they are in a position to get a playoff spot, why trade your best player for some decent players and late first round draft picks.....starting to think everyone watched that 42 win by the Pacers last night and are stacking up their teams to compete with that 12 man deep roster. :nod:

I still don't think Clippers would have made the playoffs even with Harris. As soon as LeBron gets back to 100%, he'll go playoff mode to get 7th or 8th seed depending on where Nuggets will be. Spurs are clearly out of reach.
also, playoffs wouldn't have helped Clippers because they'd not sign a lot of these players next season.
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Post#337 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:21 pm

What's with Harris?

He has All-Star stats and hit a game winner in his final game, but players and coaches didn't vote him All-Star and he's been traded 3 times.
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Post#338 » by And1+2 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:21 pm

Unbiased hater wrote:Sixers are best team in the East now so they won the trade.


Nope, they upgraded from 4th to 3rd (maybe).
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Post#339 » by justinriley11 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:21 pm

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
justinriley11 wrote:this one really confuses me for the clippers...they are in a position to get a playoff spot, why trade your best player for some decent players and late first round draft picks.....starting to think everyone watched that 42 win by the Pacers last night and are stacking up their teams to compete with that 12 man deep roster. :nod:

I still don't think Clippers would have made the playoffs even with Harris. As soon as LeBron gets back to 100%, he'll go playoff mode to get 7th or 8th seed depending on where Nuggets will be. Spurs are clearly out of reach.
also, playoffs wouldn't have helped Clippers because they'd not sign a lot of these players next season.


good point there! didn't even think about that...Kings will be looking for a playoff push along with the Lakers too
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Post#340 » by Klayforspicy » Wed Feb 6, 2019 12:24 pm

They might take GSW to 7 if they get out the east. Good pickup.

LAC sliding the pot over the table.

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