Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

eagle54 · Post #1321 » by **eagle54** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 8:37 pm

We have the example of Okafor or Russell who prove that young players must be given time to develop. So let's frank (even smith) improved before judge them definitively.

NYKAL · Post #1322 » by **NYKAL** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 1:47 pm

too bad there is no market (imo) for Muiday. Would be awesome if they were able to package him along with Kanter to really clear the garbage from the roster. Doubt anyone will touch Mario

prophet_of_rage · Post #1323 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:25 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Does the anti Frank Mudiay faction align with DSJr, or do they continue to back Mudiay, sort of like he's a presidential candidate running as an independant?

Asking for some friends.

There's a Mudiay faction?

prophet_of_rage · Post #1324 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:28 pm

Mudiay becomes redundant now with DSJ. But that isn't a bad three pg rotation if Mudiay isn't traded. Trier seems like he will be hit the worst.

Fury · Post #1325 » by **Fury** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:30 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:Does the anti Frank Mudiay faction align with DSJr, or do they continue to back Mudiay, sort of like he's a presidential candidate running as an independant?

Asking for some friends.

There's a Mudiay faction?

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1326 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:33 pm

To me, Frank appears to have no basketball instincts, he is simply not athletic, and doesn't have a great shot or handle. I'm not sure what we could get for him, but I would try, even for a low FRP if available. I would move forward with a 3 guard rotation for the rest of the year, Smith (PG) & Dotson (SG) should start, with Trier as the 3rd guard who can play the point when Smith is out.

Phish Tank · Post #1327 » by **Phish Tank** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:47 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:To me, Frank appears to have no basketball instincts, he is simply not athletic, and doesn't have a great shot or handle. I'm not sure what we could get for him, but I would try, even for a low FRP if available. I would move forward with a 3 guard rotation for the rest of the year, Smith (PG) & Dotson (SG) should start, with Trier as the 3rd guard who can play the point when Smith is out.

you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Post #1328 » by **GONYK** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:49 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:To me, Frank appears to have no basketball instincts, he is simply not athletic, and doesn't have a great shot or handle. I'm not sure what we could get for him, but I would try, even for a low FRP if available. I would move forward with a 3 guard rotation for the rest of the year, Smith (PG) & Dotson (SG) should start, with Trier as the 3rd guard who can play the point when Smith is out.

you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Apparently defensive instincts don't count either

Phish Tank · Post #1329 » by **Phish Tank** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:50 pm

GONYK wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:To me, Frank appears to have no basketball instincts, he is simply not athletic, and doesn't have a great shot or handle. I'm not sure what we could get for him, but I would try, even for a low FRP if available. I would move forward with a 3 guard rotation for the rest of the year, Smith (PG) & Dotson (SG) should start, with Trier as the 3rd guard who can play the point when Smith is out.

you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Apparently defensive instincts don't count either

crossovers and dunks/layups over everything

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1330 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:52 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:To me, Frank appears to have no basketball instincts, he is simply not athletic, and doesn't have a great shot or handle. I'm not sure what we could get for him, but I would try, even for a low FRP if available. I would move forward with a 3 guard rotation for the rest of the year, Smith (PG) & Dotson (SG) should start, with Trier as the 3rd guard who can play the point when Smith is out.

you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Agreed, but worth asking, hence, why I said if available; maybe there is a team as stupid as we were for drafting him. Also, it must be a kick to the gut for Frank knowing that we tried to trade Porzingis for Donovan.

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1331 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:54 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Apparently defensive instincts don't count either

crossovers and dunks/layups over everything

If he could be a 3&D guy, great, but he can't shoot either; just because we drafted him doesn't mean he is worth keeping.

Phish Tank · Post #1332 » by **Phish Tank** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:54 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:To me, Frank appears to have no basketball instincts, he is simply not athletic, and doesn't have a great shot or handle. I'm not sure what we could get for him, but I would try, even for a low FRP if available. I would move forward with a 3 guard rotation for the rest of the year, Smith (PG) & Dotson (SG) should start, with Trier as the 3rd guard who can play the point when Smith is out.

you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Agreed, but worth asking, hence, why I said if available; maybe there is a team as stupid as we were for drafting him. Also, it must be a kick to the gut for Frank knowing that we tried to trade Porzingis for Donovan.

does defense matter to you?

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1333 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:56 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
you don't get first round picks for players who don't have any basketball instincts.....

Agreed, but worth asking, hence, why I said if available; maybe there is a team as stupid as we were for drafting him. Also, it must be a kick to the gut for Frank knowing that we tried to trade Porzingis for Donovan.

does defense matter to you?

Sure does, that's why I prefer Dotson at the 2, defense & he can shoot.

Phish Tank · Post #1334 » by **Phish Tank** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:59 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Agreed, but worth asking, hence, why I said if available; maybe there is a team as stupid as we were for drafting him. Also, it must be a kick to the gut for Frank knowing that we tried to trade Porzingis for Donovan.

does defense matter to you?

Sure does, that's why I prefer Dotson at the 2, defense & he can shoot.

Dot hasn't shot that well in the last month and a half.

Post #1335 » by **DOT** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:59 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Agreed, but worth asking, hence, why I said if available; maybe there is a team as stupid as we were for drafting him. Also, it must be a kick to the gut for Frank knowing that we tried to trade Porzingis for Donovan.

does defense matter to you?

Sure does, that's why I prefer Dotson at the 2, defense & he can shoot.

At the age Frank is right now, Dotson was shooting 31% from 3

In college

Post #1336 » by **GONYK** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:59 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
GONYK wrote:Apparently defensive instincts don't count either

crossovers and dunks/layups over everything

If he could be a 3&D guy, great, but he can't shoot either; just because we drafted him doesn't mean he is worth keeping.

Shooting can't be fixed?

Marcus Smart isn't close to 40% now?

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1337 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:03 pm

K-DOT wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
does defense matter to you?

Sure does, that's why I prefer Dotson at the 2, defense & he can shoot.

At the age Frank is right now, Dotson was shooting 31% from 3

In college

I'm giving you my opinion, I would trade Frank, I think Dotson is much more valuable. Frank, despite being a good defender, has no offensive game or any confidence at all on the offensive end, I'm just being realistic based on what I see from him.

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1338 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:05 pm

GONYK wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
crossovers and dunks/layups over everything

If he could be a 3&D guy, great, but he can't shoot either; just because we drafted him doesn't mean he is worth keeping.

Shooting can't be fixed?

Marcus Smart isn't close to 40% now?

Frank has a very slow release.
I'm sorry, I just don't see him as having a successful NBA career in general, I hope I'm wrong.

Phish Tank · Post #1339 » by **Phish Tank** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:05 pm

KNICKFAN374 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
Sure does, that's why I prefer Dotson at the 2, defense & he can shoot.

At the age Frank is right now, Dotson was shooting 31% from 3

In college

I'm giving you my opinion, I would trade Frank, I think Dotson is much more valuable. Frank, despite being a good defender, has no offensive game or any confidence at all on the offensive end, I'm just being realistic based on what I see from him.

you just said he has no basketball instincts.....

KNICKFAN374 · Post #1340 » by **KNICKFAN374** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:07 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
KNICKFAN374 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:At the age Frank is right now, Dotson was shooting 31% from 3

In college

I'm giving you my opinion, I would trade Frank, I think Dotson is much more valuable. Frank, despite being a good defender, has no offensive game or any confidence at all on the offensive end, I'm just being realistic based on what I see from him.

you just said he has no basketball instincts.....

No offense instincts ... sorry.

What should the Knicks approach be with Frank