Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler

[USWAY]

People seems to forget that Simmoms will be eligible for a five-year maximum contract extension in July 2019. Their cap situation would start to be tight even if they don't make the blockbuster trades. At one point they need to go for it. Otherwise they would have wasted the key advantage of having two home grown cornerstone players playing under rookies contract.

Yup

[JAYZGOAT]

It's hilarious how opinions change on here just to fit the anti Sixers agenda. Nobody wanted to acknowledge the Miami pick in the Zhaire trade, most posters here just wanted to crap on philly for trading Mikal and the amazing fit lol. Philly got better and are a bench away from being the clear favorites in the east, in my opinion.

[kan_t]

In recent years the Sixers seem to be on the opposite side of Hinkie-like trades.
Never a big fan of trading away future unprotected picks.

The goal was different in the Hinkie years. Those picks were accumulated for these type of moves.

We get that in theory, but it's the failed execution, the same could have been said for the Fultz trade.

The execution may be questioned but the direction is correct. Hinkie way works because at that time they had no cap space pressure and they had no chance of winning. He needed to find the cornerstone rookies first. Now they find Embiid and Simmons, they need to know how to capitalize the benefit of having cornerstone players playing under rookie contracts. It's hard to pick an all-star especially when they're starting to be good. By the time they could draft another one, they may well waste Embiid and Simmons rookie contract years which means they wouldn't have much flexibility to add any impact player.

It's also premature to think that Hinkie would keep doing the 'Hinkie way' given the circumstances. A good executive should know when to strike and when to not strike.

[M2J]

Harris is literally the perfect fit for the squad with the shooting and depth issues. As long as they can resign him, it's really not that big of a risk.

The only asset worth a damn could be the Miami pick. Which I don't think will be that great of a pick. Considering you have Ben Simmons and Joel, a pick even if it so happened to be in the top five or top 10, still wouldn't contribute to the fact that they are looking to win now. there is no sense in trying to wait to see this team to develop into a contender, when you can try to create one now. I'm sure that as long as he stays healthy the Tobias contract can be moved if things don't work out considering his consistent productivity and his age. The slight risk his signing Butler at his age for than 3 years. But they have to go all-in now, and try to win championships with embiid and Simmons, and luckily they are both young enough that they could restart with them in their primes if things are not working out with this core, while taking advantage of Butler's and Tobias primes now.

for a team with these young assets. Aka the best young duo in the NBA bar none, you also have some glimmer of hope that markelle fultz can either provide some flexibility or contribute on the court,. The potential of somebody else's pick is not that important two years from now. When there is a legit possibility that you could have an NBA title by then

Again, the only way I see this as a bad move for Philly is if Tobias does not stay, but I'm sure they know that he will.

[76ciology]

Tobias is perfect because he can get his 20ppg by limited usg%. So does Butler.

[M2J]

With that said, the Clippers got a nice haul for Harris. No definites, but still great flexibility

[dkj5061]

Man, real short term thinking here for the 76ers. They're about to be in cap hell and I'm not sure what the hell the rush was for? They were fine the way they were and should have never traded for Butler. Should have grew organically and then go after a top 8 player. Hinkie would be so disappointed..

Clear win for the Clippers. They're definitely getting at least one superstar (probably Kawhi) in the summer or next year latest.

The rush is because of Simmon's impending max deal. That would've essentially capped them out, so they went and got their guys before that happened. We'll see if it pays off.

[sixerguy]

The goal was different in the Hinkie years. Those picks were accumulated for these type of moves.

We get that in theory, but it's the failed execution, the same could have been said for the Fultz trade.

The execution may be questioned but the direction is correct. Hinkie way works because at that time they had no cap space pressure and they had no chance of winning. He needed to find the cornerstone rookies first. Now they find Embiid and Simmons, they need to know how to capitalize the benefit of having cornerstone players playing under rookie contracts. It's hard to pick an all-star especially when they're starting to be good. By the time they could draft another one, they may well waste Embiid and Simmons rookie contract years which means they wouldn't have much flexibility to add any impact player.

It's also premature to think that Hinkie would keep doing the 'Hinkie way' given the circumstances. A good executive should know when to strike and when to not strike.

Foot-stomp execution. This trade isn’t going to net us a championship so again, failed execution. It makes us better but not good enough. There had to be better deals out there.

[bebopdeluxe]

Shamet and 2 1st round picks for Tobias who is going to be a free agent this year. West is a freaking wizard.

Philly's starting 5 looks scary good. But seems like a lot to give up for a half season rental.

He's not a rental.

Interesting post from a Dubs fan whose ownership is paying ELEVENTY BILLION dollars for their team this season.

It is theoretically possible for teams other than the Dubs to pay the tax. You KNOW that...right?

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[bebopdeluxe]

Surprised an expiring Tobias was able to get that 2021 Heat pick. Harris is good, but that pick can easily become a top five pick.

Pat Riley will have $60+ million to spend in the summer of 2020. You think he is going to have a problem getting players to take his money and hang on South Beach?

Me neither.

[jbent87]

This is a win for both. LAC going through the motions and finishing up this 8 seed season and letting Tobias statpad before he walks in FA this summer accomplishes what, for the LAC, exactly? They weren't going to / shouldn't have been considering signing him. Trade him now and get something for him. This is a heckuva haul. And it's fair. This Sixers team was desperate for a stretch 4 to open up the floor for Embiid AND Simmons. Why trade crap for a few months of Mirotic when you can trade for a fringe all star at 26 who can be a part of your future? You have to give something to get something. Both teams did that.

[bebopdeluxe]

How did West get two firsts for that lol??

Hard to imagine Philly keeping everyone though. Maxing Harris, Butler and Simmons as well as Embiid's max means they're paying the biggest tax bill in the league for four guys.

And we have received no indication that our owners have the stomach for luxury tax payments. Not sure they have thought this through.

I’m sure the owners gave some sort of indication before the trade was made.

Josh Harris has more than TRIPLED his money since buying the team. If he did not sign off on this, I would be shocked.

If ownership cries "poor mouth" this summer, I will personally lead a mob to their facility in Camden to firebomb the place to the ground.

[nolang1]

And we have received no indication that our owners have the stomach for luxury tax payments. Not sure they have thought this through.

I’m sure the owners gave some sort of indication before the trade was made.

Josh Harris has more than TRIPLED his money since buying the team. If he did not sign off on this, I would be shocked.

If ownership cries "poor mouth" this summer, I will personally lead a mob to their facility in Camden to firebomb the place to the ground.

Yeah if the ownership cries for poor when it's time to pay the luxury tax after years of being absolute crap with the lowest payroll in the league, people should be pissed.

[bebopdeluxe]

How happy is Tobs going to be as a 4th option? Dudes like to showcase their offence going into FA not being turned into role players.

How happy will he be sitting down with ABC/ESPN talking heads doing interviews before the ECF and Finals?

I know they need to get there, and I do not take that lightly. But if Butler and Harris are that f'n stupid to see the opportunity to 1) get PAID, and 2) play in June, then they can take a hike. Hard to imagine that Harris won't accept a max...and if Jimmy wants to go to NY on a 6th seed team, then have fun.

Guys talk all the time about wanting rings. We will see how many of these guys will actually walk the walk.

[bebopdeluxe]

Unless I'm miscalculating somewhere, Harris' max is going to be $38million this summer (10 years experience). Butler's is $33million.

That's... a lot

Scary for Sixer fans.

Why? It ain't my money.

As has already been said MANY TIMES ( ), I am sure than management signed off on this - understanding that they will be a taxpayer after this season. And here's another newsflash:

TEAMS. PAY. THE. TAX.

Harris has TRIPLED his money. Paying $150 million in tax over the next 3-4 years is pretty smart for a hedge fund guy who turned a $280 million investment into probably a $1B-plus franchise value.

What are you not getting here?

As the legendary philosopher Howard Eskin once said, if you are scared, get a dog.

[bebopdeluxe]

Expensive for a rental but I really like the fit. Harris is a much needed shooter on the wings and if Jimmy bolts in the summer, he's young enough to be on the same time line with Embiid and Simmons as a contender

It's more of a rent to own. They are going to pay him. It will be interesting to see if they go full on max at 5/190. You can bet they are going to pay more than 4/141 that another team can pay him.

only way this work imo is if they let go of butler and keep harris. If they keep all 4 they are in trouble.

Why?

[bebopdeluxe]

Overpay. No one's beating GSW this year, so why not keep your assets and sign him in the summer? I mean yeah starting lineup is amazing now but that's the worst bench in NBA history lmao. Really need Fultz and Zaire Smith to come back strong

http://www.espn.com/nba/game?gameId=401071441

You're welcome.

[NBAFan93]

NY did the same thing, both seem to think they can land 2 max FAs.

Only so many game changing type guys to go around - and in the case of Kyrie and KD the odds are still very good that they both stay w/ their teams. Same goes for Klay.

[LibertyPrime]

Weird as **** trade for Philly.

Can’t imagine Embiid and Butler will be thrilled with having to share the ball even more.

Also doesn’t seem like a type of player who will fit in seemlessly. And will Philly even be able to re-sign him?

Harris isn't an addition to a Big 4 core; he's the third star that will be replacing Butler when he leaves, whether that be at the deadline or at the end of the season. That's the only way this makes sense.