Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[Kanyewest]

Hart for Ariza would be awesome. I’d be all over that.

Send Green somewhere for a protected 1st. Move Dekker for a 2nd. Move Morris for a 2nd

Go into the 2019 draft with two 1sts, two 2nds. Add Hart to a nice core of Sato, Beal, Otto, Bryant, Brown Jr, Robinson. That would be 11 players already.

Lakers were unwilling to give up Hart for Ariza before.

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[gambitx777]

The Lakers might trade ball for ariza since his dad is starting to mouth off again. Idk it would be smart of us to pull that trigger. Not so much of the Lakers they ain't winning this year and if they were smart they wouldn't drop a young guy in a player they can get for the vet min in the summer.

[sogood]

The Lakers might trade ball for ariza since his dad is starting to mouth off again. Idk it would be smart of us to pull that trigger. Not so much of the Lakers they ain't winning this year and if they were smart they wouldn't drop a young guy in a player they can get for the vet min in the summer.

lol you think this is the Lakers first go-round with Lavar?

No chance what so ever they trade Ball for half a year of Ariza.

[Ruzious]

Hart for Ariza would be awesome. I’d be all over that.

Send Green somewhere for a protected 1st. Move Dekker for a 2nd. Move Morris for a 2nd

Go into the 2019 draft with two 1sts, two 2nds. Add Hart to a nice core of Sato, Beal, Otto, Bryant, Brown Jr, Robinson. That would be 11 players already.

Lakers were unwilling to give up Hart for Ariza before.

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Ariza makes 15 mil this season while KCP makes 12 mil. At this point, it might make the most sense to trade Ariza for KCP and a second rounder. It'll help with the lux tax issue.

[pcbothwel]

Hart for Ariza would be awesome. I’d be all over that.

Send Green somewhere for a protected 1st. Move Dekker for a 2nd. Move Morris for a 2nd

Go into the 2019 draft with two 1sts, two 2nds. Add Hart to a nice core of Sato, Beal, Otto, Bryant, Brown Jr, Robinson. That would be 11 players already.

Lakers were unwilling to give up Hart for Ariza before.

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Ariza makes 15 mil this season while KCP makes 12 mil. At this point, it might make the most sense to trade Ariza for KCP and a second rounder. It'll help with the lux tax issue.

Lets really start this rebuild:
Ariza to LAL
KCP to Thunder
Abrines + Patterson to Wiz (Along with 2 2020 seconds, one from LAL and the other from OKC)

Hell, we could add in Jeff Green to OKC and get a heavily protected 1st instead from OKC... and under the tax

[nate33]

How many draft picks could we get Boston to include in a Beal + Mahinmi for Hayward trade?

The idea here is to take advantage of Ainge's desperation to retain Kyrie (and ultimately to get Davis). Also, Mahinmi's contract would be the right sized ballast to use in a Tatum for AD trade this summer.

Thing is - by including Mahinmi, factor in we'll get one less 1st rounder, and it'll be harder to complete a trade.

Yeah, not sure why we'd bother to dilute Beal's value by including him at that point.

That deal basically signals a tankathon, eating the final year of Ian's deal shouldn't be a concern.

I don't think of it as diluting the value in the trade. I think of the Hayward for Mahinmi swap as additional sweetener to the Bradley for picks part of the deal. Boston is getting Hayward's gargantuan $32M a year payroll off the books, which gives them a lot of flexibility in future AD trades.

It was necessary for us to avoid the luxtax next year. Wall, Hayward, Porter and Mahinmi alone cost $111M. You couldn't even afford Bryant and Sato while avoiding the luxtax. If we're absorbing Hayward, we have to offload Mahinmi.

I really like the deal because I think Hayward will regain his old form in another year. Right now, he doesn't have confidence in his body, and I don't think he has confidence with his role on that team. But put him on this team without any good players and he'll be back to his familiar role in Utah as the primary option on offense. The long term goal would be to goose up his value and then flip him in a year for a smaller contract and even more picks.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade Troy Brown Jr. and Ariza, Green or Markieff Morris to Philadelphia for Fultz and expiring filler.

Brown is getting Oubre'd. No player development time, just to be driven away.

Why not?

Whoever else said to take a flyer on Fultz

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[pcbothwel]

Trade Troy Brown Jr. and Ariza, Green or Markieff Morris to Philadelphia for Fultz and expiring filler.

Brown is getting Oubre'd. No player development time, just to be driven away.

Why not?

Whoever else said to take a flyer on Fultz

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What an AWFUL trade. I'd offer Ariza & Green for Fultz & Patton... thats it

[scoobs07]

The Lakers might trade ball for ariza since his dad is starting to mouth off again. Idk it would be smart of us to pull that trigger. Not so much of the Lakers they ain't winning this year and if they were smart they wouldn't drop a young guy in a player they can get for the vet min in the summer.

lol you think this is the Lakers first go-round with Lavar?

No chance what so ever they trade Ball for half a year of Ariza.

Lakers just traded for Bullock. Most likely not trading for another rental in Ariza. Wizards might have an opportunity now to get a good haul from Lakers after Pelicans not negotiating in good faith. Beal would fit well with Lebron. Trade idea from Laker fan (i come in peace):

Wizards get: Ball, Ingram, KCP, Hart and 2019 1st

Lakers get: Ball and Green

Why for Wizards?

-You get Lonzo to replace John Wall. Lozo at 21, already has 2 triple doubles in his career and it feels like 20 near miss triple doubles. Elite passer and defender. Low usage point guard that gets assists, rebounds and steals. Similar to Wall, but in a good way. Doesnt need to control the ball like John Wall does and doesnt jack up nearly as many shots, gets eeryone involved with minimal usage. Ball is a really unique player.

-Ingram averaged about 16 ppg the past two seasons and is still 21 years old? Kid is good and has good upside too, but just doesnt mesh well with Lebron. He needs the ball in his hands, which works with Ball, who is low usage.

-Hart is a good three and D player who is from the D.C. area. He is a winner.

-KCP is and D. Expiring helps Wizards gain cap room.

[dckingsfan]

Yuck! I would rather have Ferrell and Jackson than Shumpert or McLemore. Ferrell would be our backup PG and Jackson our back SG next year. Yeah, big hole at SF/PF.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819318-last-minute-predictions-for-nbas-biggest-trade-deadline-targets

If the Kings package the expiring deals of Zach Randolph, Iman Shumpert, Ben McLemore and Willie Cauley-Stein while taking back Porter and Ian Mahinmi, the Wizards could clear a whopping $42.7 million off next year's books.

Get it done, Wizards.

[nate33]

Trade Troy Brown Jr. and Ariza, Green or Markieff Morris to Philadelphia for Fultz and expiring filler.

Brown is getting Oubre'd. No player development time, just to be driven away.

Why not?

Whoever else said to take a flyer on Fultz

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The purpose of managing a team isn't to send players to a destination that best suits THEM. It's to acquire players that best suit OUR TEAM. Regardless of whether or not Troy Brown has been properly utilized, he's a better fit, a better contract, and a lesser health risk than Fultz. Why would we make that trade?

Also, I'm not sweating the under-utilization of Brown just yet. The same thing happened to Porter and Oubre. They barely play their rookie year, they play a ton of minutes off the bench their second year, and they play starter's minutes by their third year. (Oubre didn't start, but he totaled the 3rd most minutes on the team last year.)

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade Troy Brown Jr. and Ariza, Green or Markieff Morris to Philadelphia for Fultz and expiring filler.

Brown is getting Oubre'd. No player development time, just to be driven away.

Why not?

Whoever else said to take a flyer on Fultz

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What an AWFUL trade. I'd offer Ariza & Green for Fultz & Patton... thats it

:)

I DO like your trade idea better than mine.

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[DCZards]

The purpose of managing a team isn't to send players to a destination that best suits THEM. It's to acquire players that best suit OUR TEAM. Regardless of whether or not Troy Brown has been properly utilized, he's a better fit, a better contract, and a lesser health risk than Fultz. Why would we make that trade?

Also, I'm not sweating the under-utilization of Brown just yet. The same thing happened to Porter and Oubre. They barely play their rookie year, they play a ton of minutes off the bench their second year, and they play starter's minutes by their third year. (Oubre didn't start, but he totaled the 3rd most minutes on the team last year.)

Brown Jr. has played in most Capital Go-Go games. While I'd like to see him get more minutes with the Zards, he is at least being developed somewhat via the G-League. Neither Porter nor Oubre had that opportunity.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trade Troy Brown Jr. and Ariza, Green or Markieff Morris to Philadelphia for Fultz and expiring filler.

Brown is getting Oubre'd. No player development time, just to be driven away.

Why not?

Whoever else said to take a flyer on Fultz

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The purpose of managing a team isn't to send players to a destination that best suits THEM. It's to acquire players that best suit OUR TEAM. Regardless of whether or not Troy Brown has been properly utilized, he's a better fit, a better contract, and a lesser health risk than Fultz. Why would we make that trade?

Also, I'm not sweating the under-utilization of Brown just yet. The same thing happened to Porter and Oubre. They barely play their rookie year, they play a ton of minutes off the bench their second year, and they play starter's minutes by their third year. (Oubre didn't start, but he totaled the 3rd most minutes on the team last year.)

Fair enough.

What if Fultz recovers physically, emotionally, and mentally to be the player Philadelphia thought they were drafting #1 OVERALL?

--He's a local HS star who plays John Wall's position. Might Fultz potentially be a better player than Brown Jr.? (I like Brown. Just pondering)

nate33, you're absolutely right about the need to improve TEAM not meet player's wish list of other teams to play for.

I've noticed over time that doing guys a solid pays. Look at Mike Scott who is now valued by Philadelphia. The Wizards rescued him just like IMO they freed Oubre from a coach he cussed out. Injuries to Wall and Morris plus freeing up Oubre are all reasons that Satoransky is FINALLY getting good burn. He has been deserving of his minutes.

You cannot get back TIME.

WHAT A WASTE to draft Brown Jr BEFORE HUERTER, BEFORE SPELLMAN, etc...

And to double down on idiotic waste of a first round pick in bringing in good ballers like Randle, McCrea, and Payton II; all while giving a stud DNP-CDs.

Greg Popovic or Steve Kerr would play Troy Brown Jr.

Stupid Wizards? Uh, no.

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[nate33]

Yuck! I would rather have Ferrell and Jackson than Shumpert or McLemore. Ferrell would be our backup PG and Jackson our back SG next year. Yeah, big hole at SF/PF.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819318-last-minute-predictions-for-nbas-biggest-trade-deadline-targets

If the Kings package the expiring deals of Zach Randolph, Iman Shumpert, Ben McLemore and Willie Cauley-Stein while taking back Porter and Ian Mahinmi, the Wizards could clear a whopping $42.7 million off next year's books.

Get it done, Wizards.

I think it's an interesting deal. It's not about the players we get back. It's about using Porter to dump Mahinmi.

My first thought is that I might do it, if Sacramento included their 2019 2nd round pick. But then I thought it through and I became a little less enthused. The deal would leave us with just 4 players under contract: Wall, Beal, Brown and Howard, at a cost of $61M. Add in our first round pick, let's say it's Darius Garland, and that's $64M. We could resign Sato and Bryant for a combined $18M or so, which gets us up to $82M for the following roster:

PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Garland
SF Brown
PF
C Bryant/Howard

We'd have $28M in cap room leftover, but what exactly do we do with it? That's not enough for a max player (who could be a bargain) so instead we are bidding in a frothy market with a lot of money chasing a limited number of free agents. We'd probably get stuck resigning Ariza on a 2-year $30M deal, and then using the remaining $13M to round out the depth, hopefully landing Green in the process. So it's:

PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Garland
SF Ariza/Brown
PF Green/Ariza
C Bryant/Howard

At a payroll of $110M. That's not awful, but not really exciting. The thing is, we could have the same basic team without making that SAC trade, only with a 26-year-old Porter in place of a 35-year old Ariza. Our cap number would be more like $135M, but that's right around the luxtax threshold, and there would be relief in site as Mahinmi comes off the books in the following year.

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[dckingsfan]

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[dckingsfan]

Yuck! I would rather have Ferrell and Jackson than Shumpert or McLemore. Ferrell would be our backup PG and Jackson our back SG next year. Yeah, big hole at SF/PF.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819318-last-minute-predictions-for-nbas-biggest-trade-deadline-targets

If the Kings package the expiring deals of Zach Randolph, Iman Shumpert, Ben McLemore and Willie Cauley-Stein while taking back Porter and Ian Mahinmi, the Wizards could clear a whopping $42.7 million off next year's books.

Get it done, Wizards.

I think it's an interesting deal. It's not about the players we get back. It's about using Porter to dump Mahinmi.

My first thought is that I might do it, if Sacramento included their 2019 2nd round pick. But then I thought it through and I became a little less enthused. The deal would leave us with just 4 players under contract: Wall, Beal, Brown and Howard, at a cost of $61M. Add in our first round pick, let's say it's Darius Garland, and that's $64M. We could resign Sato and Bryant for a combined $18M or so, which gets us up to $82M for the following roster:

PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Garland
SF Brown
PF
C Bryant/Howard

We'd have $28M in cap room leftover, but what exactly do we do with it? That's not enough for a max player (who could be a bargain) so instead we are bidding in a frothy market with a lot of money chasing a limited number of free agents. We'd probably get stuck resigning Ariza on a 2-year $30M deal, and then using the remaining $13M to round out the depth, hopefully landing Green in the process. So it's:

PG Sato/Garland
SG Beal/Garland
SF Ariza/Brown
PF Green/Ariza
C Bryant/Howard

At a payroll of $110M. That's not awful, but not really exciting. The thing is, we could have the same basic team without making that SAC trade, only with a 26-year-old Porter in place of a 35-year old Ariza. Our cap number would be more like $135M, but that's right around the luxtax threshold, and there would be relief in site as Mahinmi comes off the books in the following year.

If we could get Sac to move Ferrell and Jackson into the equation then it would at least give us some depth. I don't think Ariza is coming back. Assume you would want Dekker back?

[queridiculo]

At this point I hope the Porter trade is going down, can't afford to let the Pistons and Heat out tank us.