Woj: Clippers Trade Tobias Harris to Sixers for Landry Shamet, Two 1st Rnds, Wilson Chandler

[OkcSinceSGA]

They could max someone as a massive free agent destination in 2020 to go with perfect aged Adebayo, Winslow and Richardson.

That pick is going to be 10-16 at best for Clippers.

Half of the players are injured this year, they’ve been trash and are still in pick 15 position. Just wait til they can use that cap space next off season and the fact they have Pat Riley who has let Miami finish with 1 pick inside the top 10 in the last 15 years.

It's really not. I don't see ANY stars rushing to Miami to play with that core of mid 20's guys. Sure, Miami is a great place to play... but it's not gonna win out over the Nets, Clippers, Knicks, Lakers who have prime destination AND more assets/talented young players to build on. In 2021 Richardson will be 27, Winslow will be 24 (is still a below average NBA player), Bam will be 24 and is good, but not a free agent draw.

Exactly so you have Richardson hitting his prime and 2 very good young players improving in 2 years.

They also still have Olynk on the roster.

It's easy to predict something might go wrong but Pat Riley's history, the tax advantages of Florida, having cap space in 2020, being in a very shallow eastern conference and having 3 good young players right now all point towards it being very unlikely that pick is top 10.

Obviously the biggest factor is the history of the team who have always preferred to treadmill than bottom out.

All the factors point towards 10-16 at best and it would take a lot of things to change (Pat Riley bizarrely changing his strategy, the east somehow getting super deep, Miami facing a heap of injuries, the young good players at the moment going backwards and the cap space and tax advantage nature of their location not being utilized).

I see that pick as more 7-12. Not top 5 or anything, but definitely not 15.

[Young gun 6]

It's really not. I don't see ANY stars rushing to Miami to play with that core of mid 20's guys. Sure, Miami is a great place to play... but it's not gonna win out over the Nets, Clippers, Knicks, Lakers who have prime destination AND more assets/talented young players to build on. In 2021 Richardson will be 27, Winslow will be 24 (is still a below average NBA player), Bam will be 24 and is good, but not a free agent draw.

Exactly so you have Richardson hitting his prime and 2 very good young players improving in 2 years.

They also still have Olynk on the roster.

It's easy to predict something might go wrong but Pat Riley's history, the tax advantages of Florida, having cap space in 2020, being in a very shallow eastern conference and having 3 good young players right now all point towards it being very unlikely that pick is top 10.

Obviously the biggest factor is the history of the team who have always preferred to treadmill than bottom out.

All the factors point towards 10-16 at best and it would take a lot of things to change (Pat Riley bizarrely changing his strategy, the east somehow getting super deep, Miami facing a heap of injuries, the young good players at the moment going backwards and the cap space and tax advantage nature of their location not being utilized).

I see that pick as more 7-12. Not top 5 or anything, but definitely not 15.

Miami have been trash this year and are still in the pick 15 position right now. Dragic hasn't even been playing, Whiteside is a negative player and their best players have actually been Adebayo, Winslow, Richardson and Olynk who are all locked up while that pick conveys and should only get better considering they are 21, 22, 25 and 27 right now.

They have had 1 pick inside the top 10 in the last 15 years. All history is pointing to it being outside that range.

Maybe a smaller range but possibly something like 9-14. Just can't see Pat Riley bottoming that team out especially knowing he doesn't have his own pick.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Exactly so you have Richardson hitting his prime and 2 very good young players improving in 2 years.

They also still have Olynk on the roster.

It's easy to predict something might go wrong but Pat Riley's history, the tax advantages of Florida, having cap space in 2020, being in a very shallow eastern conference and having 3 good young players right now all point towards it being very unlikely that pick is top 10.

Obviously the biggest factor is the history of the team who have always preferred to treadmill than bottom out.

All the factors point towards 10-16 at best and it would take a lot of things to change (Pat Riley bizarrely changing his strategy, the east somehow getting super deep, Miami facing a heap of injuries, the young good players at the moment going backwards and the cap space and tax advantage nature of their location not being utilized).

I see that pick as more 7-12. Not top 5 or anything, but definitely not 15.

Miami have been trash this year and are still in the pick 15 position right now. Dragic hasn't even been playing, Whiteside is a negative player and their best players have actually been Adebayo, Winslow, Richardson and Olynk who are all locked up while that pick conveys and should only get better considering they are 21, 22, 25 and 27 right now.

They have had 1 pick inside the top 10 in the last 15 years. All history is pointing to it being outside that range.

Maybe a smaller range but possibly something like 9-14. Just can't see Pat Riley bottoming that team out especially knowing he doesn't have his own pick.

I agree it won't bottom out. Even if it's say the 12th pick though, value wise that's still nice.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Ps... why is Landry Shamet not getting more praise? He's already a lights out 3 point shooter on high volume. He had that 29 point, 8 3s game too. Him and Jerome Robinson both have draft comparisons of CJ McCollum. One of them has to pan out right?

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[TheNewEra]

Exactly so you have Richardson hitting his prime and 2 very good young players improving in 2 years.

They also still have Olynk on the roster.

It's easy to predict something might go wrong but Pat Riley's history, the tax advantages of Florida, having cap space in 2020, being in a very shallow eastern conference and having 3 good young players right now all point towards it being very unlikely that pick is top 10.

Obviously the biggest factor is the history of the team who have always preferred to treadmill than bottom out.

All the factors point towards 10-16 at best and it would take a lot of things to change (Pat Riley bizarrely changing his strategy, the east somehow getting super deep, Miami facing a heap of injuries, the young good players at the moment going backwards and the cap space and tax advantage nature of their location not being utilized).

I see that pick as more 7-12. Not top 5 or anything, but definitely not 15.

Miami have been trash this year and are still in the pick 15 position right now. Dragic hasn't even been playing, Whiteside is a negative player and their best players have actually been Adebayo, Winslow, Richardson and Olynk who are all locked up while that pick conveys and should only get better considering they are 21, 22, 25 and 27 right now.

They have had 1 pick inside the top 10 in the last 15 years. All history is pointing to it being outside that range.

Maybe a smaller range but possibly something like 9-14. Just can't see Pat Riley bottoming that team out especially knowing he doesn't have his own pick.

There are more reasons to be optimistic going forward.

-if the Knicks get two quality guys to mix with core that’s a playoff team.

-Atlanta this season starting to show signs of the talent. Give Young, Collins and the rest of the guys time to develop they could be a playoff team.

-Orlando is a good PG away from being a good lower tier playoff team.

[richboy]

Tobias Harris is only a 23% usage guy. The guys that are leaving Phili take about the same amount of shots per game. When all the starters in the game his usage will drop but the other times he be extremely valuable. I felt Phili was going to go after Harris in the offseason if they ended up getting rid of Fultz. Now they can keep Fultz and potentially JJ and also have Harris and Butler. They may also keep there MLE as well. This is a perfect trade for Phili. Even like Boban being the back up for Embiid. That is a perfect role for him. This is the perfect system for his skill set.

I like the trade for the Clippers. Now they could just keep battling for the 8 seed and try to embarrass the Lakers into missing the playoffs the first year they land Lebron. That is very tempting. That said they know Kawhi wants to go there and they really like to add another star to come with him. When you look at the amount of assets they just landed they can make a decent offer for AD. If they trade DG and Lou for more assets they might become the favorites to land AD.

Love the trade for both teams. Pressure is now on Brett Brown. IMO he a great coach when it comes to half court offense but his in game decision making cost them in the playoffs and in some big games. They didn't have enough talent to start the year to be considered championship contenders. Now they have enough talent to win the East easily and push the Warriors. If they can add some buy out players to the bench. They really need only 1 or 2. They could push the Warriors better than any team.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

Great trade for both sides. LA got a good haul and Philly got the player they need. Philly looking like the team to beat in the East so far.

[grindtime22]

Ps... why is Landry Shamet not getting more praise? He's already a lights out 3 point shooter on high volume. He had that 29 point, 8 3s game too. Him and Jerome Robinson both have draft comparisons of CJ McCollum. One of them has to pan out right?

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He has been an afterthought from most people, but I think he has much better value than that 76ers pick. I think he goes around 15 in a redraft, maybe higher. It's hard to step on an NBA floor and immediately shoot the way he does. He can already hit the 3 in every way. Fly around a screen to a catch and shoot.... not a problem. Off the bounce, no problem. He is a knockdown shooter from everywhere and his game is only going to get better. He looks like McCollum to me. He is actually more athletic than he seems as well.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Ps... why is Landry Shamet not getting more praise? He's already a lights out 3 point shooter on high volume. He had that 29 point, 8 3s game too. Him and Jerome Robinson both have draft comparisons of CJ McCollum. One of them has to pan out right?

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He has been an afterthought from most people, but I think he has much better value than that 76ers pick. I think he goes around 15 in a redraft, maybe higher. It's hard to step on an NBA floor and immediately shoot the way he does. He can already hit the 3 in every way. Fly around a screen to a catch and shoot.... not a problem. Off the bounce, no problem. He is a knockdown shooter from everywhere and his game is only going to get better. He looks like McCollum to me. He is actually more athletic than he seems as well.

42 inch max vert! I was shocked to see him in pre draft film doing between the leg dunks with little effort and 360's etc.

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[Sixerscan]

Ps... why is Landry Shamet not getting more praise? He's already a lights out 3 point shooter on high volume. He had that 29 point, 8 3s game too. Him and Jerome Robinson both have draft comparisons of CJ McCollum. One of them has to pan out right?

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He has been an afterthought from most people, but I think he has much better value than that 76ers pick. I think he goes around 15 in a redraft, maybe higher. It's hard to step on an NBA floor and immediately shoot the way he does. He can already hit the 3 in every way. Fly around a screen to a catch and shoot.... not a problem. Off the bounce, no problem. He is a knockdown shooter from everywhere and his game is only going to get better. He looks like McCollum to me. He is actually more athletic than he seems as well.

He doesn't have McCollum's handle but he might be a better shooter.

With Landry it's all gonna be about developing his body and conditioning. He's always gonna struggle against elite length so he's gonna have to create an extra few inches of separation to get that shot off.

[grindtime22]

Ps... why is Landry Shamet not getting more praise? He's already a lights out 3 point shooter on high volume. He had that 29 point, 8 3s game too. Him and Jerome Robinson both have draft comparisons of CJ McCollum. One of them has to pan out right?

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He has been an afterthought from most people, but I think he has much better value than that 76ers pick. I think he goes around 15 in a redraft, maybe higher. It's hard to step on an NBA floor and immediately shoot the way he does. He can already hit the 3 in every way. Fly around a screen to a catch and shoot.... not a problem. Off the bounce, no problem. He is a knockdown shooter from everywhere and his game is only going to get better. He looks like McCollum to me. He is actually more athletic than he seems as well.

42 inch max vert! I was shocked to see him in pre draft film doing between the leg dunks with little effort and 360's etc.

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I didn't know it was that high, but I have seen plenty of athletic dunks from him in games at Wichita State. Some have recently called him a mini-Reddick. I think that has kind of been his role in Philly, so it kind of makes sense, but he has the ability to score from every level.

[grindtime22]

He doesn't have McCollum's handle but he might be a better shooter.

With Landry it's all gonna be about developing his body and conditioning. He's always gonna struggle against elite length so he's gonna have to create an extra few inches of separation to get that shot off.

makes sense

[OkcSinceSGA]

Ps... why is Landry Shamet not getting more praise? He's already a lights out 3 point shooter on high volume. He had that 29 point, 8 3s game too. Him and Jerome Robinson both have draft comparisons of CJ McCollum. One of them has to pan out right?

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He has been an afterthought from most people, but I think he has much better value than that 76ers pick. I think he goes around 15 in a redraft, maybe higher. It's hard to step on an NBA floor and immediately shoot the way he does. He can already hit the 3 in every way. Fly around a screen to a catch and shoot.... not a problem. Off the bounce, no problem. He is a knockdown shooter from everywhere and his game is only going to get better. He looks like McCollum to me. He is actually more athletic than he seems as well.

He doesn't have McCollum's handle but he might be a better shooter.

With Landry it's all gonna be about developing his body and conditioning. He's always gonna struggle against elite length so he's gonna have to create an extra few inches of separation to get that shot off.

Sounds like him and Jerome are very similar players. One thing I prefer about Shamet is he seems way more aggressive looking for his shot.

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[mtron929]

Couple of points.

1) I think the Sixers overpaid a bit here. I suspect that Jerry West and the Clippers were as desperate as the Sixers in getting this deal done and as such, the Sixers could have probably (a) kept Shamut or (b) placed protections on the Miami pick. I mean, honestly, what is the next best offer for Harris here that they were competing against? Similar to the Fultz trade, it kind of reeks of desperation and not knowing what the adversary is thinking.

2) The bench thing is overrated. Let's look at one of the most intense playoff series and games in recent memory of Warriors vs Rockets game 4 where Rockets won 95-92 to even the series 2-2 last season.

- Harden: 43 minutes
- PJ Tucker: 44 minutes
- CP3: 40 minutes
- Trevor Ariza: 40 minutes
- Draymond Green: 45 minutes
- Kevin Durant: 43 minutes
- Klay Thompson: 40 minutes
- Stephen Curry: 39 minutes

Basically, the starters minutes get ratched up big time in the playoffs that you don't need a deep bench. Usually, only 1-2 players get significant bench minutes and the roster gets shortened immensely. This is one of the reasons why teams with deep bench tend to not perform well in the playoffs because deep bench becomes useless come playoff time.

[TheBonzaiEffect]

I don't really get the narrative that this hurts the Sixers' bench that much. They get Harris, Boban and Scott and gave up Chandler, Shamet and Muscala. It's a minor difference in MPG and a significant upgrade in total quality. It's a great deal for both teams IMO.

Scott is better than Muscala too. Boban is good for 6-8 minutes a night. Losing Shamet hurts the most for their bench tho

No he isn't. Both have been pretty mediocre this year, but Muscala has a better PER, BPM, TS%, VORP, etc. He at least stretches the floor as a big. Scott is just a streaky tweener.

[HMFFL]

Fantastic trade for both the LAC and Philly. It's a lot to give up for what could be a re talk for Philly, but they're all in, and I respect that.


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[Black Jack]

Great trade for both sides. LA got a good haul and Philly got the player they need. Philly looking like the team to beat in the East so far.

Yeah in retrospect the new GM in Philly made two aggressive moves but they are definitely in a position to get to a finals. if you have that shot you gotta take it, especially when your main guy has an injury record. It's tough to gel 2 new all star level players and there's a lot of people who want the ball but if Brown can get guys to buy in this team looks like it has amazing upside.

IMHO this puts some pressure on Masai up in the "north" to make a move for AD. It would be fun if that happened and the East playoffs turned into an all out slugfest between two (three? ) superteams.

Philly's big four is no joke now.

[mdonnelly1989]

Did Philly do this to stretch the court?

My only concern with this trade is that it's a whole lot of scorers on one team now. Maybe Ben Simmons can become strictly a passing Stockton type now that they have 3 other more than capable scorers.

[Sixerscan]

Did Philly do this to stretch the court?

My only concern with this trade is that it's a whole lot of scorers on one team now. Maybe Ben Simmons can become strictly a passing Stockton type now that they have 3 other more than capable scorers.

The thing is, with how much the Sixers split up their lineups, there are huge stretches where Simmons was playing with no other creators. Like against the Lakers they played 12 minutes with a Simmons/TJ/Shamet/Brewer/Muscala lineup. Now they'll be able to slot Harris in there and basically be the top scoring option.

[mdonnelly1989]

Did Philly do this to stretch the court?

My only concern with this trade is that it's a whole lot of scorers on one team now. Maybe Ben Simmons can become strictly a passing Stockton type now that they have 3 other more than capable scorers.

The thing is, with how much the Sixers split up their lineups, there are huge stretches where Simmons was playing with no other creators. Like against the Lakers they played 12 minutes with a Simmons/TJ/Shamet/Brewer/Muscala lineup. Now they'll be able to slot Harris in there and basically be the top scoring option.

Ah yeah, like a 6th man type.

Although, I think it's important for him to get 30+ minutes a night because they desperately need the scoring.

How much better do you think the 6ers are, and now do you feel they have a legit chance to compete with Bucs, Celtics and Toronto?