Trade Vucevic poll

[Skin]

See, at least I give the courtesy of saying "Could" to describe that there are multiple scenarios. Sometimes, people just blatantly state opinions as fact. That is the difference between an intelligent debate where different things "Could" happen and people throwing out opinions as fact without thinking.

BMP argues the weirdest things. Skin wrote IF twice in his post... just thinking hypothetically like everyone else since we don't know what's gonna happen.

From now on instead of saying "_____ gonna prove y'all wrong!" BMP you have to say "______ could prove y'all wrong!" Wouldn't want an unintelligent comment lol.

Now, that is the best response to the day!

His IF statements in Bold do not dictate anything about what I discussed tho. Only, IF Magic sign Vucevic, they are screwed Cap wise and IF the Salary Cap is at $105 million. What I dicsussed in the "Could" statement, is that Fournier and Mozgov could be moved. Heck, even after signing Vooch, he could be moved as well as AG. Fact is, we don't know the future and can't automatically assume that those 4 will even be on the team next year.

If we sign Vucevic at $25M, then that leaves us with our highest paid players list looking like...

Vucevic $25M
Gordon $20M
Fournier $17M
Mozgov $16M
~ 78M

The salary cap for the 2019-20 season was set at $109M. If it stays around the same amount and we give Vuc $25M, then we'll be right near the cap. $105M without signing our rookie or any other FAs.

That really was the best response of the day! Cracked me up!

OK BMP... I get where you're coming from... So keep Vuc, but trade Fournier and imagine Mozgov gets stretched.

You think Fournier has the trade value to bring in someone who will be a "win now" help alongside Vuc? Isn't that what Fournier is supposed to be? He and Vuc are tied at the hip. This IS the Evan and Vuc Show!

I don't think your imagination is realistic. If we sign Vuc, then there's no more trading Evan for expirings, young players or picks... Our goal will be to chase wins. What vets do you like? Who fits the chemistry, timeline, skills that compliment?

Show me the Win Now way forward with Vuc at the helm. Help me understand what your side of the fence is hoping for.

[basketballRob]

Who's running this sh*t show?

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[IllMagic04]

I was pretty sure we weren't trading Vuc anyway but with Bamba down we def aint trading him. Its actually more likely they try to sign him back in the offseason as well.

[BadMofoPimp]

BMP argues the weirdest things. Skin wrote IF twice in his post... just thinking hypothetically like everyone else since we don't know what's gonna happen.

From now on instead of saying "_____ gonna prove y'all wrong!" BMP you have to say "______ could prove y'all wrong!" Wouldn't want an unintelligent comment lol.

Now, that is the best response to the day!

His IF statements in Bold do not dictate anything about what I discussed tho. Only, IF Magic sign Vucevic, they are screwed Cap wise and IF the Salary Cap is at $105 million. What I dicsussed in the "Could" statement, is that Fournier and Mozgov could be moved. Heck, even after signing Vooch, he could be moved as well as AG. Fact is, we don't know the future and can't automatically assume that those 4 will even be on the team next year.

If we sign Vucevic at $25M, then that leaves us with our highest paid players list looking like...

Vucevic $25M
Gordon $20M
Fournier $17M
Mozgov $16M
~ 78M

The salary cap for the 2019-20 season was set at $109M. If it stays around the same amount and we give Vuc $25M, then we'll be right near the cap. $105M without signing our rookie or any other FAs.

That really was the best response of the day! Cracked me up!

OK BMP... I get where you're coming from... So keep Vuc, but trade Fournier and imagine Mozgov gets stretched.

You think Fournier has the trade value to bring in someone who will be a "win now" help alongside Vuc? Isn't that what Fournier is supposed to be? He and Vuc are tied at the hip. This IS the Evan and Vuc Show!

I don't think your imagination is realistic. If we sign Vuc, then there's no more trading Evan for expirings, young players or picks... Our goal will be to chase wins. What vets do you like? Who fits the chemistry, timeline, skills that compliment?

Show me the Win Now way forward with Vuc at the helm. Help me understand what your side of the fence is hoping for.

I am not a GM. All I know in real life scenarios, players are not moved like monopoly pieces or just traded away for garbage or like NBA2K like people dream of, lol.

[VFX]

The magic are 25th in pace but they're 27th in "seconds it takes to score". 28th in time to score after a made basket but 15th in time to score after a defensive rebound.

Let's keep rebuilding around Vuc tho...

nah that’s a solid offense to build around. /green

25th in pace and we never make it to the line (oh yeah we are dead last) . That’s a great scheme right....?

I’ll take more of that please instead of actually addressing the issue.

[BadHombre]

I’m not a fan of some of the implied narratives that Vuc is holding us back or hindering the team. Not this season at least. The problems with the team hinge more on development and maintaining windows of flexibility at the right time.

On development, this team has lacked a reliable anchoring playmaker to help guide the rest of the team and help the young guys get shots in better positions. This season that role has been thrust on to Vuc since he’s our best passer and facilitator. That should serve as amazing praise for him as our big man, no matter how you look at it. But he shouldn’t be put in that role, because his playmaking predominantly comes from a standstill position either at the top of the 3 point line, the high post, or in the paint. Those aren’t the best times/places for collapsing a defense, compared to the effect a good ball handling wing/guard would have. Vuc draws double teams and can sometimes pull a sagging perimeter defender a bit closer to the paint, but it’s not as disruptive as a capable ball handler. That’s not a criticism on him in any way, just a natural limitation of using him as the primary playmaker.

Everyone on the team would benefit from a playmaking wing who can get into the paint and be a threat to score/dish/handoff. But of all our players who attempt that (DJ, Fournier, AG) none are very good at it yet.

That brings us to our 2nd problem - maintaining appropriate windows for improvement. People can credit WeHam for having the patience not to make a bad move, but they’ve also missed out on opportunities to make better moves that could have put us in a stronger position for cap flexibility this summer. Right now, their priority needs to be getting the salaries for Mozgov and/or Fournier off the books. But this will cost us assets. The problem is, WeHam don’t seem willing to give something up to get something. People seem to interpret the possibility of trading one of Isaac, Bamba or future picks as instantly meaning a Harris-like deal. It shouldn’t be that at all. But a bird in the hand is more valuable than 2 in the bush. We shouldn’t be afraid of moving either Isaac or Bamba for a better fitting young prospect. We shouldn’t be counting on our next draft pick perfectly plugging the gaping hole in our playmaking. We should be targeting quality young players who fill those needs, and who still have high upside.

At this point, we obviously won’t get a reasonable return on Vuc if we trade him. If WeHam continue to sit and be inactive, there’s every chance he says “screw This!” and high tails it to play with real talent in Dallas.

[Skin]

Now, that is the best response to the day!

His IF statements in Bold do not dictate anything about what I discussed tho. Only, IF Magic sign Vucevic, they are screwed Cap wise and IF the Salary Cap is at $105 million. What I dicsussed in the "Could" statement, is that Fournier and Mozgov could be moved. Heck, even after signing Vooch, he could be moved as well as AG. Fact is, we don't know the future and can't automatically assume that those 4 will even be on the team next year.

That really was the best response of the day! Cracked me up!

OK BMP... I get where you're coming from... So keep Vuc, but trade Fournier and imagine Mozgov gets stretched.

You think Fournier has the trade value to bring in someone who will be a "win now" help alongside Vuc? Isn't that what Fournier is supposed to be? He and Vuc are tied at the hip. This IS the Evan and Vuc Show!

I don't think your imagination is realistic. If we sign Vuc, then there's no more trading Evan for expirings, young players or picks... Our goal will be to chase wins. What vets do you like? Who fits the chemistry, timeline, skills that compliment?

Show me the Win Now way forward with Vuc at the helm. Help me understand what your side of the fence is hoping for.

I am not a GM. All I know in real life scenarios, players are not moved like monopoly pieces or just traded away for garbage or like NBA2K like people dream of, lol.

That's what you got? Well, I give you credit for replying I guess...

Why not tell me, trade Gordon, trade Isaac, trade Bamba... get some vets like Jrue, Conley, Gay, Griffin...sign Melo, DRose, etc etc..

There is absolutely no sense in developing youth here if we resign Vuc. But if Vuc is surrounded by some battle tested vets maybe something like that will work to get us 2 rounds into the playoffs (which would be the furthest realistic goal).

[BadMofoPimp]

That really was the best response of the day! Cracked me up!

OK BMP... I get where you're coming from... So keep Vuc, but trade Fournier and imagine Mozgov gets stretched.

You think Fournier has the trade value to bring in someone who will be a "win now" help alongside Vuc? Isn't that what Fournier is supposed to be? He and Vuc are tied at the hip. This IS the Evan and Vuc Show!

I don't think your imagination is realistic. If we sign Vuc, then there's no more trading Evan for expirings, young players or picks... Our goal will be to chase wins. What vets do you like? Who fits the chemistry, timeline, skills that compliment?

Show me the Win Now way forward with Vuc at the helm. Help me understand what your side of the fence is hoping for.

I am not a GM. All I know in real life scenarios, players are not moved like monopoly pieces or just traded away for garbage or like NBA2K like people dream of, lol.

That's what you got? Well, I give you credit for replying I guess...

Why not tell me, trade Gordon, trade Isaac, trade Bamba... get some vets like Jrue, Conley, Gay, Griffin...sign Melo, DRose, etc etc..

There is absolutely no sense in developing youth here if we resign Vuc. But if Vuc is surrounded by some battle tested vets maybe something like that will work to get us 2 rounds into the playoffs (which would be the furthest realistic goal).

Personally, I dont think Isaac nor Bamba end up any better than average starters. Thus, I am in favor of trading them for other youth or veterans that can better fit the team. But, I will have fun watching regardless of what happens. I just don't think the team should trade Vooch just to trade Vooch based off the excuses fans (mostly Vooch haters) here create. If he is traded, there should be a better concrete plan.

[BadHombre]

The only team that might give up any value for Vuc is the Lakers, if LeBron can convince them to be desperate enough for the playoffs.

They probably still wouldn’t give up any of Kuzma, Ingram or Ball, but maybe they’d give up Zubac + Hart + Bonga for him?

Ultimately, with Vuc we’re barely in the hunt for a sub .500 playoff spot in a weak East conference. Without him, we’ll only be a little bit worse off.

[Skin]

I am not a GM. All I know in real life scenarios, players are not moved like monopoly pieces or just traded away for garbage or like NBA2K like people dream of, lol.

That's what you got? Well, I give you credit for replying I guess...

Why not tell me, trade Gordon, trade Isaac, trade Bamba... get some vets like Jrue, Conley, Gay, Griffin...sign Melo, DRose, etc etc..

There is absolutely no sense in developing youth here if we resign Vuc. But if Vuc is surrounded by some battle tested vets maybe something like that will work to get us 2 rounds into the playoffs (which would be the furthest realistic goal).

Personally, I dont think Isaac nor Bamba end up any better than average starters. Thus, I am in favor of trading them for other youth or veterans that can better fit the team. But, I will have fun watching regardless of what happens. I just don't think the team should trade Vooch just to trade Vooch based off the excuses fans (mostly Vooch haters) here create. If he is traded, there should be a better concrete plan.

But you don't need a concrete plan if you keep him?

[BadMofoPimp]

That's what you got? Well, I give you credit for replying I guess...

Why not tell me, trade Gordon, trade Isaac, trade Bamba... get some vets like Jrue, Conley, Gay, Griffin...sign Melo, DRose, etc etc..

There is absolutely no sense in developing youth here if we resign Vuc. But if Vuc is surrounded by some battle tested vets maybe something like that will work to get us 2 rounds into the playoffs (which would be the furthest realistic goal).

Personally, I dont think Isaac nor Bamba end up any better than average starters. Thus, I am in favor of trading them for other youth or veterans that can better fit the team. But, I will have fun watching regardless of what happens. I just don't think the team should trade Vooch just to trade Vooch based off the excuses fans (mostly Vooch haters) here create. If he is traded, there should be a better concrete plan.

But you don't need a concrete plan if you keep him?

I am sure if they keep him, they will also have a concrete plan.

[bargnanimvp]

[King Ken]

Should they, yes. Will they, that's the tough part. I think the Spurs would be willing to do a deal.

2019 1st, Gasol for Simmons and Vuc

Vuc is a tough fit. I would be willing to do a deal for the Hawks but we don't have anything of value to offer.

I am sure he is not on our timeline either.

I think Boston will look into him.

I know the Hornets will be interested but it's going to be so hard to get a lottery like team to want to give up their 1st for Vuc. Most of these teams are in similar situations as Orlando. They need those picks.

Most teams who are on the market don't need a center in the West. It will be tough.

I can see the Lakers being interested in Vuc but they won't offer an 1st. They need that for AD. Maybe LAL might be interested in a 2023 top 10 protected 1st and KCP for Vuc. I just don't see LAL being interested in trading a 1st at all with AD on the market.

I can see KCP, Zubac and Hart. KCP has a NTC is it's highly unlikely he will waive it for ORL so

[drsd]

It seems totally improbable now that Orlando would move Vučević.

[drsd]

Seeing this again makes me smile.


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[Shady Franchise]

I had to make sure I didn't have a negative post in here first , but some of you are unbelievable! Can we all agree to support the VOOOOOCH now?