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BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-)

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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1761 » by BowlRips » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:27 am

mpharris36 wrote:the "do whatever the GM wants I'm relinquishing me team" is why those deals shouldn't go through.

You can't tell me thats good faith


Out of context. It was to fix the pick swap issue. He said he had a solution
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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1762 » by mpharris36 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:30 am

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mpharris36 wrote:the "do whatever the GM wants I'm relinquishing me team" is why those deals shouldn't go through.

You can't tell me thats good faith


Out of context. It was to fix the pick swap issue. He said he had a solution


im going to take bish word for it...he's done whats best for the league always. Hey its his call I will stop talking about it and leave it up to the commish.
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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1763 » by IllmaticHandler » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:32 am

SOUL wrote:Also that's why I just try to keep my trades simple, lol. Have had no hitches with my KoF or Manhattan trades.



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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1764 » by bishnykfan » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:32 am

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Isn’t it the other way around though?
Being black listed because I didn’t respond to PMs.
Put the GOAT on the trade block but don’t get a response?
Is it me or them?


I mean I'm just saying I personally don't care if ppl respond to me or not. Have had it happen before and have done it myself so I can't talk, so I wouldn't pay that any mind.. idk what happened between the talks though so I don't want to put my 2 cents in there, just saying all that if people truly are "blacklisting" that's still a small percentage of the league.. and if they aren't.. it's just some BAF drama.

Basically what it comes down to is just you quitting for most of us.. not only has it been hard to get replacement GMs, it just puts a sour taste in the mouth after the trades no matter if it was good faith or not. Just seems an easy fix to fix whatever part of the deals went wrong and move forward with you staying.


We fixed it a while ago and sent it back in. But bish blocked it cuz of the crying. Public pressure should not overide transparency. I am willing to pay show every pm of our negotiation.

At two points BR twice asked me to put more in the deal and I told him no. That I had no more to offer. That pm exchange is enough to show he was operating in good faith. He was tryna get more out of me.


I'm not questioning you or hoffa's good faith negotiations today. But in your case at least, I can't have a trade go through when the acceptance PM I get says: "Do whatever 2010 wants I’m relinquishing my team". That is not a good faith deal. Me allowing that as BR walks away from the league hurts the league.

There was no public pressure in this whatsoever...tbh at this point I don't really care what anyone here thinks considering the crazy amount of time and energy that this takes up for me. I do it because I like it and I like giving people something different and fun to talk about. I voided both trades without any consideration from anyone else because I felt that it was the right thing to do for the league. And I do sympathize, like I said, you and bbh got caught up in a **** today as far as I can see.
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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1765 » by 2010 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:35 am

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mpharris36 wrote:the "do whatever the GM wants I'm relinquishing me team" is why those deals shouldn't go through.

You can't tell me thats good faith


Out of context. It was to fix the pick swap issue. He said he had a solution


im going to take bish word for it...he's done whats best for the league always. Hey its his call I will stop talking about it and leave it up to the commish.


He telling the truth. My solution was to remove the swap and I would take on the additional $6 in salary (Diallo) essentially capping myself out after earlier being dead set on not taking on anymore salary. But I offered that solution since we couldn't do the pick swap. That was what he meant by do what I want. Cuz I was the one rewriting up the deal.
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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1766 » by mpharris36 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:35 am

IllmaticHandler wrote:
SOUL wrote:Also that's why I just try to keep my trades simple, lol. Have had no hitches with my KoF or Manhattan trades.



That Lauri Trade was underrated. Another Big Night.


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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1767 » by mpharris36 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:36 am

2010 wrote:
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BowlRips wrote:
Out of context. It was to fix the pick swap issue. He said he had a solution


im going to take bish word for it...he's done whats best for the league always. Hey its his call I will stop talking about it and leave it up to the commish.


He telling the truth. My solution was to remove the swap and I would take on the additional $6 in salary (Diallo) essentially capping myself out after earlier being dead set on not taking on anymore salary. But I offered that solution since we couldn't do the pick swap. That was what he meant by do what I want. Cuz I was the one rewriting up the deal.


then why is he quitting?
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Post#1768 » by NewEra » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:37 am

mpharris36 wrote:the "do whatever the GM wants I'm relinquishing me team" is why those deals shouldn't go through.

You can't tell me thats good faith


That’s the part that stuck out to me. I’m not for vetoing trades, but when you gift someone a superstar cause you no longer care and are giving up on your team then it’s not in the best interest of the league at all. Smh.

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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1769 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:37 am

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mpharris36 wrote:the "do whatever the GM wants I'm relinquishing me team" is why those deals shouldn't go through.

You can't tell me thats good faith


Out of context. It was to fix the pick swap issue. He said he had a solution


you know you want to continue playing, just stick around. CP3 was really looking to playing for a sane GM
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Post#1770 » by 2010 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:38 am

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2010 wrote:
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I mean I'm just saying I personally don't care if ppl respond to me or not. Have had it happen before and have done it myself so I can't talk, so I wouldn't pay that any mind.. idk what happened between the talks though so I don't want to put my 2 cents in there, just saying all that if people truly are "blacklisting" that's still a small percentage of the league.. and if they aren't.. it's just some BAF drama.

Basically what it comes down to is just you quitting for most of us.. not only has it been hard to get replacement GMs, it just puts a sour taste in the mouth after the trades no matter if it was good faith or not. Just seems an easy fix to fix whatever part of the deals went wrong and move forward with you staying.


We fixed it a while ago and sent it back in. But bish blocked it cuz of the crying. Public pressure should not overide transparency. I am willing to pay show every pm of our negotiation.

At two points BR twice asked me to put more in the deal and I told him no. That I had no more to offer. That pm exchange is enough to show he was operating in good faith. He was tryna get more out of me.


I'm not questioning you or hoffa's good faith negotiations today. But in your case at least, I can't have a trade go through when the acceptance PM I get says: "Do whatever 2010 wants I’m relinquishing my team". That is not a good faith deal. Me allowing that as BR walks away from the league hurts the league.

There was no public pressure in this whatsoever...tbh at this point I don't really care what anyone here thinks considering the crazy amount of time and energy that this takes up for me. I do it because I like it and I like giving people something different and fun to talk about. I voided both trades without any consideration from anyone else because I felt that it was the right thing to do for the league. And I do sympathize, like I said, you and bbh got caught up in a **** today as far as I can see.


Aight I respect the time/work you put in. So I won't cry no further.

But if he decides to keep his team are you unwilling to allow that? Cuz gonna be hard to find a new GM.
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Post#1771 » by NewEra » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:41 am

Smash3 wrote:
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Smash3 wrote:Bowl is a cornball he got more than one offer for Bron..


Nope. Since I put out the request I got 1 offer.
I was offered Westbrook by someone forgot who earlier in the month but wasn’t ready to make trades then


Lol I was gonna let you slide but you keep talking this dumb schit about being blackballed and crying, that GM offered you Westbrook last night wtf you talking about :lol:


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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1772 » by 2010 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:41 am

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2010 wrote:
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im going to take bish word for it...he's done whats best for the league always. Hey its his call I will stop talking about it and leave it up to the commish.


He telling the truth. My solution was to remove the swap and I would take on the additional $6 in salary (Diallo) essentially capping myself out after earlier being dead set on not taking on anymore salary. But I offered that solution since we couldn't do the pick swap. That was what he meant by do what I want. Cuz I was the one rewriting up the deal.


then why is he quitting?


Iono. Maybe just frustration cuz he took some heat today. But we was never blacklisting him. Tbh / 100, I was just tryna get him to improve his trade etiquette and get him to the negotiation table. It was just strategy. No malice. And we squashed it once we started talking trade seriously.
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Re: BaF Discussion #16: Back To Full Strength :-) 

Post#1773 » by SOUL » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:42 am

know theres still a big bombshell trade out there... heard the Hawks might be going in a diff direction... caw caw (not with my team, but I might be involved)
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Post#1774 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:44 am

huh durant to Portland..
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Post#1775 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:45 am

NewEra wrote:
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Nope. Since I put out the request I got 1 offer.
I was offered Westbrook by someone forgot who earlier in the month but wasn’t ready to make trades then


Lol I was gonna let you slide but you keep talking this dumb schit about being blackballed and crying, that GM offered you Westbrook last night wtf you talking about :lol:


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Post#1776 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:46 am

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Post#1777 » by SOUL » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:46 am

bringbackhoffa wrote:huh durant to Portland..


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Post#1778 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:48 am

lets see if i can land durant..
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Post#1779 » by bringbackhoffa » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:49 am

jae crowder on atlanta whats going on
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Post#1780 » by bishnykfan » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:49 am

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