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Re: Following today's trades the starting 5 will be? 

Post#21 » by buzzkilloton » Thu Feb 7, 2019 8:51 am

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vege wrote:Does it even matter? The team was unwatchable before, the #29 in 3 point shooting in the league shooting a ton of 3'se]

2013 Draft: C.J. Mccollum, Giannas, Steven Adams, Dennis Schroeder
2015 Draft: I was all about Myles Turner. I was up in the air about Devin Booker.

2016 Draft: I was anyone but Henry Ellenson. Seriously, I was soooooo against him. --- Cheick Diallo, Caris LeVert, and Furkan Korzmaz,

2017 Draft: Donovan Mitchell, Luke Kennard



2016 one pick after Ellenson was Malik Beasley whos tearing it up for the nuggs this season. Not only Levert but a little later Siakam and D.Murray went off the board at the end of the first. Bad drafting
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Re: Following today's trades the starting 5 will be? 

Post#22 » by vege » Thu Feb 7, 2019 12:45 pm

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vege wrote:Does it even matter? The team was unwatchable before, the #29 in 3 point shooting in the league shooting a ton of 3's every game. We gave away our best and more reliablee 3 point shooter. Kennard is thrash, Bruce Brown can't score, Khyri Thomas costed us 4x what we got from Bullock basically and he is not even NBA material and Galloway is the worse of the 4.

Our Front office signed Calderon and said they were very comfortable trading either RJ or Ish and getting Calderon to play decent minutes. They let Tolliver go and signed GRIII and to complete the mess, they gave Bullock for absolutely nothing. They have absolutely no clue WTF they're doing.

We'll either throw our 1st away for some garbage or we'll draft another SJ. The only good thing Stefanski did since he hired himself to be our GM was to get rid of Stanley Johnson.

Can we please bring either Dumars or SVG back? I miss both of them.


This is all Stan Van’s fault man. SJ and Kennard are his lotto picks...

Why can’t we re-sign Reggie B? Probably the dumpster pile of trash contracts like Galloway, Leuer, Jackson, etc.

Stefanski and crew have many years of horrible decisions to undo and it ain’t gonna be easy or pretty.


We could resign Bullock, Stefanski decided not to. It's different.

SVG constantly won all his trades, he got us Tobias and Blake. Stefanski got 0 for Bullock, a GLeague scrub and a late 2nd which 99.99% of the time doesn't even play a single game in the league, that's 0.

He managed to get a downgrade from Stanley Johnson, and that's an accomplishment (I'm not complaining, I wanted SJ gone really bad). He traded 2 2nds for a guy who I would be fine spending a 2nd to see if he turn into something but 2 2nds? Hell no.

Jose and GRIII made this team much worse than what we had last season. Stefanski is a joke. Anyways what could we expect, he was hired to hire a GM and he hired himself.
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Re: Following today's trades the starting 5 will be? 

Post#23 » by 7r5ur » Thu Feb 7, 2019 1:14 pm

vege wrote:
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vege wrote:Does it even matter? The team was unwatchable before, the #29 in 3 point shooting in the league shooting a ton of 3's every game. We gave away our best and more reliablee 3 point shooter. Kennard is thrash, Bruce Brown can't score, Khyri Thomas costed us 4x what we got from Bullock basically and he is not even NBA material and Galloway is the worse of the 4.

Our Front office signed Calderon and said they were very comfortable trading either RJ or Ish and getting Calderon to play decent minutes. They let Tolliver go and signed GRIII and to complete the mess, they gave Bullock for absolutely nothing. They have absolutely no clue WTF they're doing.

We'll either throw our 1st away for some garbage or we'll draft another SJ. The only good thing Stefanski did since he hired himself to be our GM was to get rid of Stanley Johnson.

Can we please bring either Dumars or SVG back? I miss both of them.


This is all Stan Van’s fault man. SJ and Kennard are his lotto picks...

Why can’t we re-sign Reggie B? Probably the dumpster pile of trash contracts like Galloway, Leuer, Jackson, etc.

Stefanski and crew have many years of horrible decisions to undo and it ain’t gonna be easy or pretty.


We could resign Bullock, Stefanski decided not to. It's different.

SVG constantly won all his trades, he got us Tobias and Blake. Stefanski got 0 for Bullock, a GLeague scrub and a late 2nd which 99.99% of the time doesn't even play a single game in the league, that's 0.

He managed to get a downgrade from Stanley Johnson, and that's an accomplishment (I'm not complaining, I wanted SJ gone really bad). He traded 2 2nds for a guy who I would be fine spending a 2nd to see if he turn into something but 2 2nds? Hell no.

Jose and GRIII made this team much worse than what we had last season. Stefanski is a joke. Anyways what could we expect, he was hired to hire a GM and he hired himself.


The Clippers just turned Blake Griffin into three 1st round picks, two 2nd rounders, and ton of cap space. We turned him into a 9th seed and are now locked in for the foreseeable future. We did not “win” that trade.

And while I think Stan did OK on trades otherwise, it doesn’t come close to making up for his colossal drafting and free agency mistakes.

We could have re-signed Bullock and further pushed us into the inflexibility that Van Gundy put us in while maintaining our elite 9th seed status. Another couple years late in the lottery with a team touching the tax threshold... cool.

Jose and GRIII have very little to do with this team getting worse (we’re the same, anyways...). They cost very little money and are not long term contracts. Something SVG and company had no concept of. The Leuers and Galloway’s of the team are the reason we could only look at minimum guys like Jose and GRIII anyways. We were like 400k under the tax limit or something just with signing them, and we couldn’t even look at bringing back a guy like Anthony Tolliver.

I’m not happy with Casey’s coaching, but Stefanski and crew haven’t really done anything significant to judge at this point. We just had 2nd round picks and no money left after Stan left, so there’s really not much to do.
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Re: Following today's trades the starting 5 will be? 

Post#24 » by bstein14 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 1:41 pm

If Detroit feels they could have resigned Bullock, a solid starter and our best shooter, for $4 to $5 million per year I think they keep him. They are more likely thinking he's a full MLE type guy at $8 to $9 million a season, and because of other bad contracts we have, it wasn't likely that we could afford to give him that and fill out the rest of a 9 to 10 man rotation. That's most likely the reason that he is gone, even though the return was minimal it was at least something instead of just letting him leave for nothing. Getting nothing out of KCP and Monroe who were both lottery picks and some of our better starters the past decade its good to finally see a GM who realizes that a player like Bullock isn't going to move the needle for us in a playoff series this year and its time to get something for the future even if that something is pretty minimal.
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Re: Following today's trades the starting 5 will be? 

Post#25 » by Kilo » Thu Feb 7, 2019 2:29 pm

Bullock is a bench guy on a contender. He'll probably sign for the MLE somewhere and given he was a UFA he probably would have wanted more to stay here knowing we'd otherwise lose him for nothing and thus had certain leverage given we're capped out. He'd want to get paid as a starter, #2/3 option that we had to use him in here.

Let's also accept that Stefanski didn't accept the first offer that came his way for Bullock but likely made it known he was available and took the best offer for him at the time - which was Svi Mykhailiuk and a 2021 SRP.
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Re: Following today's trades the starting 5 will be? 

Post#26 » by thesack12 » Thu Feb 7, 2019 3:04 pm

Kilo wrote:Bullock is a bench guy on a contender. He'll probably sign for the MLE somewhere and given he was a UFA he probably would have wanted more to stay here knowing we'd otherwise lose him for nothing and thus had certain leverage given we're capped out. He'd want to get paid as a starter, #2/3 option that we had to use him in here.

Let's also accept that Stefanski didn't accept the first offer that came his way for Bullock but likely made it known he was available and took the best offer for him at the time - which was Svi Mykhailiuk and a 2021 SRP.


That's a fairly presumptuous assumption to make. For all we know Ed had Svi neck and neck on his draft board with Bruce and Khyri, thus always liked him. Also, perhaps was looking for 2nds beyond 2019 because he knows Detroit doesn't have any for several years after this coming draft.

If either of those possibilities I mentioned hold any validity, then that doesn't at all mean that it was the "best offer." When we're talking 2nd round prospects, its very much a beauty is in the eye of the beholder type situation. Due to the terrible GR3 targeting/signing Ed has shown he doesn't have the greatest eye for wing talent. Also, if he was looking for future 2nds to replace Detroit's cupboard, its possible he turned down picks which look to be higher in the '19 draft.

Of course all of what I said could be false, but they're entirely within reason.

Also, "best offer at the time" is kind of counter productive here. The Bullock trade was made like 36 hours before the deadline. Why? There was still plenty of time for other teams to up their offers.

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