Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Spud2nique]

I like Dedmon as a player and person, but Cousins is a major upgrade this off-season. If Dedmon is the Hawks center next year I wouldn't complain, but I'd like to see us upgrade the starting position.


Actually, scratch that. If we draft someone like Bol Bol or Jaxson Hayes, Dedmon makes too much sense not to retain.

I don't presume we're keeping both 2019 1st round picks. I don't even presume we use either one of them. I take Schlenk at his word when he says we're at that point that he needs to add a cornerstone player. That guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft to us, unless there's a way to trade up to get there.

Dedmon's the right guy at the wrong time.

You're not likely to be able to get him on a contract in terms of both money and years that makes sense. He'll be 31 by the time we're even sniffing the playoffs again. That makes the investment in him for next season a waste, both in terms of money and in terms of minutes his contract would suggest he ought to be getting.

Disagree greatly here. You don’t think we use either of our 2019 1st round picks? I’m willing to bet ..anything we use at least one if not both. How can you say that before we even know where the picks land? Also, trade up? We could have the 1st pick..if not trading back makes sense.

I love Dedmon. Depends what deal we can get. I love the value we get with Fultz, still doesn’t change his mental issue and shooting stroke.

[Spud2nique]

I'm not a fan of Fultz, but maybe this is a Billups situation?

I like this comparison very much. The deal is similar. Fultz can’t shoot though and no matter how electric, the game dictates players to be able to shoot these days specially point guards or guards in general. Rondo is an exception due to elite passing skills and defense.

[King Ken]

Hawks fans can have this sunny side up mindset with him as a player but I refuse to have it with his trade value. I refuse to make a bad deal for Fultz. We got Lin. We got Dedmon. If one of those players and a 2nd isnt enough, I don't want him at all.

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[King Ken]

Most likely deals:

ATL/PHI: Fultz for Dedmon - No picks. Just a flat trade. I don't like the value but it's a great fit for Dedmon.

ATL/LAL/ORL: LAL trades 2023 top 10 protected 1st, KCP for Vucevic
Orlando trades: Vucevic for Lin and LAL 2023 top 10 protected 1st
Atlanta trades: Lin for KCP

KCP likely won't waive his NTC for Orlando. Atlanta makes the most sense. Got a spot on the wing open in the rotation. From GA and went to GA. He will likely waive it for ATL. ORL been coveting Lin for awhile and they get a 1st round pick from LA.

I have my doubts of LA being interested in trading a 1st just due to the AD trade. I could see them being interested in trading Zubac and Josh Hart instead.

ATL/SAC: Bazemore for Alec Burks

[King Ken]

Most likely deals:

ATL/PHI: Fultz for Dedmon - No picks. Just a flat trade. I don't like the value but it's a great fit for Dedmon.

ATL/LAL/ORL: LAL trades 2023 top 10 protected 1st, KCP for Vucevic
Orlando trades: Vucevic for Lin and LAL 2023 top 10 protected 1st
Atlanta trades: Lin for KCP

KCP likely won't waive his NTC for Orlando. Atlanta makes the most sense. Got a spot on the wing open in the rotation. From GA and went to GA. He will likely waive it for ATL. ORL been coveting Lin for awhile and they get a 1st round pick from LA.

I have my doubts of LA being interested in trading a 1st just due to the AD trade. I could see them being interested in trading Zubac and Josh Hart instead.

ATL/SAC: Bazemore for Alec Burks

ATL/PHI deal likelihood: 80%
ATL/LAL/ORL deal likelihood: 95%
ATL/SAC deal likelihood: 40%

ATL/PHI will come down to picks. I think PHI will want a 2nd from Atlanta. I also think Temple or Ross is an option. With Boban being a defensive liability to the 10th degree. I can see a situation where Philly want a legit center. Boban has a lot of causal fans but NBA personnel dislike him due to his terrible defensive impact. A team like Philly could seek another 5 but one that is actually decent and can start. Ross is a strange one because all of my contacts have said ORL wants a 1st for him and no one wants to give them a 1st for him except a late one with a contract. ORL wants to resign Ross. They also stated they want to resign Vuc but things are changing as the FA pool has shifted a lot in the last week. Expect them to trade Vuc but keep Ross. Philly would likely be more interested if they didn't have Wes Matthews as their #1 target and them as his #1 target.

ATL/LAL/ORL is probably going to happen. AD will be off the table to the draft and LA needs to win but they are not talented enough right now. KCP makes a straight up trade impossible due to his NTC and Atlanta could have interest in just a rental of him just to see how he fits long term. At the end of the day, LAL cannot leave this day empty handed. They must come back with something to show Bron. I see ORL being okay with Zubac and Hart in a trade. Both have solid value and both can help Orlando in their rebuild.

ATL/SAC: While it goes unsaid, SAC lost 46 MPG a game today and gained 28-30 MPG but that's at 3/4 in their system but lost it at 2-3. They need another legit wing bad and have been on Bazemore for a couple seasons now. They have tremendous cap flexibility and can take him straight up for Burks who sucks and is a buyout candidate for anyone he's on. The issue is Burks can't be attached with other players and I am not sold SAC wants to trade Yogi Ferrell.

Atlanta would have 39,800,256 in taken cap space. That includes 8 players and Incomplete Roster Charge (4 spots). That's critical moving forward.

I see all of these trades happening today. SAC needs another 2-3 wing badly who fits their system and personality. LAL has to make a big move and ORL has to get value for Vuc. KCP has to waive his NTC and with Jabari in WAS, this is the only option. PHI will trade Fultz for an impact role player who fill a major need.

For Atlanta, KCP gives us a wing option to look at and maybe resign if we see the value and fit. Burks is trash, he will be cut and we will likely sign Jaylen Adams off of his two way. Fultz will likely be out for the season and just practice with the team.

All in all, we regressed but we added some potential and got off of salary for 2019-2020.

[MaceCase]

Can't buy into the Fultz can't shoot narrative just yet when we're dealing with the fact that he's had a shoulder disorder which would affect the ability to shoot. Can't buy into the mental narrative just yet either when he's been complaining that something was wrong only to be gaslighted for a year before the medical staff realized "oh yea, we misdiagnosed you."

[personanongrata]

I like Dedmon as a player and person, but Cousins is a major upgrade this off-season. If Dedmon is the Hawks center next year I wouldn't complain, but I'd like to see us upgrade the starting position.


Actually, scratch that. If we draft someone like Bol Bol or Jaxson Hayes, Dedmon makes too much sense not to retain.

I don't presume we're keeping both 2019 1st round picks. I don't even presume we use either one of them. I take Schlenk at his word when he says we're at that point that he needs to add a cornerstone player. That guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft to us, unless there's a way to trade up to get there.

Dedmon's the right guy at the wrong time.

You're not likely to be able to get him on a contract in terms of both money and years that makes sense. He'll be 31 by the time we're even sniffing the playoffs again. That makes the investment in him for next season a waste, both in terms of money and in terms of minutes his contract would suggest he ought to be getting.

He's 29, and 31 is not even that old. A lot of guys play their best ball at that age. Do you have some irrational aversion towards veteran players?

[steady]

They need a PG and have playoff ambitions, we will assuredly be outbid.

Fultz is a high ceiling project at best, in near term he is not going to help anybody get to playoffs

The fit with ATL actually makes a lot more sense, i bet Sixers want Prince/Dedmon - they need wing depth and outside shooting desperately

They got Harris instead of Prince. Conventional wisdom says they're done on that front.

Their bench is a shambles - they have no cap space to play with - Prince is both a cheap salary and talent upgrade for bench

[jayu70]

I like Dedmon as a player and person, but Cousins is a major upgrade this off-season. If Dedmon is the Hawks center next year I wouldn't complain, but I'd like to see us upgrade the starting position.


Actually, scratch that. If we draft someone like Bol Bol or Jaxson Hayes, Dedmon makes too much sense not to retain.

I don't presume we're keeping both 2019 1st round picks. I don't even presume we use either one of them. I take Schlenk at his word when he says we're at that point that he needs to add a cornerstone player. That guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft to us, unless there's a way to trade up to get there.

Dedmon's the right guy at the wrong time.

You're not likely to be able to get him on a contract in terms of both money and years that makes sense. He'll be 31 by the time we're even sniffing the playoffs again. That makes the investment in him for next season a waste, both in terms of money and in terms of minutes his contract would suggest he ought to be getting.

Disagree greatly here. You don’t think we use either of our 2019 1st round picks? I’m willing to bet ..anything we use at least one if not both. How can you say that before we even know where the picks land? Also, trade up? We could have the 1st pick..if not trading back makes sense.

There is no way the Hawks are sitting out the draft entitely. We still need talent on this team, young players to groom.

Besides Schlenk 'Cornerstone' comment was made December 12th, 2017 - when Dennis was leading the team, John Collins had started 4 games, Bud was still the coach and Trae was starting his college career.
Things have certainly changed since then!

[kg01]

I'm feeling philosophical this morning so I'm posing a question.

Would ORL trading Bamba (because they have Vucevic) be the same as if we kept Dennis and traded Young because Dennis had a great year?

[King Ken]

I'm feeling philosophical this morning so I'm posing a question.

Would ORL trading Bamba (because they have Vucevic) be the same as if we kept Dennis and traded Young because Dennis had a great year?

It's likely Vuc last day in ORL is today.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm feeling philosophical this morning so I'm posing a question.

Would ORL trading Bamba (because they have Vucevic) be the same as if we kept Dennis and traded Young because Dennis had a great year?

IMO, worse. Vucevic will be 30 next year and has never been good enough to even lead that team to a low playoff seed. Dennis is at least just entering his prime.



If your best player is in the midst of his prime and can't even guarantee you a playoff appearance every season, there's no reason to keep that player or iteration of your team.

See Walker, Kemba.

[CP War Hawks]

I'd love to take the chance with Fultz for something along the lines of Dedmon and Cavs 2020 pick. Losing faith in GMS and his ability to make trades in season considering teams will call his bluff with his numerous buyouts of the past.

I know Philly is holding out for a 1st considering they are planting their flag into deep tax territory and will need cheap depth in the future. I think they are trying to create a bidding war between us and Orlando.

[Spud2nique]

I'm feeling philosophical this morning so I'm posing a question.

Would ORL trading Bamba (because they have Vucevic) be the same as if we kept Dennis and traded Young because Dennis had a great year?

What’s that feeling like in the sac? Warm cup of coffee in front of the fireplace just reloading ur phone to get possible trade updates from deadbeat beat writer who just finished squeezing one out (windbag,Brian). Now you wanna philosophize?

[Spud2nique]

Orlando is just a stupid stupid franchise.

[Hazer]

Can't buy into the Fultz can't shoot narrative just yet when we're dealing with the fact that he's had a shoulder disorder which would affect the ability to shoot. Can't buy into the mental narrative just yet either when he's been complaining that something was wrong only to be gaslighted for a year before the medical staff realized "oh yea, we misdiagnosed you."

EGG. ZACK. LEE. This 20 year old kid was 23/6/6 at Washington just 2 years ago, shot 50%, 41% from 3 on 126 attempts. He KNOWS how to shoot. In this age of "instant-information-overload" at everyone's fingertips (internet/social media), the misdiagnosis and resulting lack of information left a void that everyone filled with conspiracy theories about his mental health. Dude has an actual medically-declared shoulder nerve condition called Thoracic Outlet Syndrome that 6-ers medical team missed that affected his shooting mechanics. It's curable. Fultz can shoot. Fultz is salvageable, and as a former #1 overall pick is worth Dedmon. Whom I like very much but doesn't fit into the long term plan, unless he's willing to sign a shorter deal for under $10mill/yr.

[macd-gm]

damn. i've got no time today to be on the board and starting tomorrow it's going to go back to two posts a day activity. Oh well.

[kg01]

damn. i've got no time today to be on the board and starting tomorrow it's going to go back to two posts a day activity. Oh well.

Sounds like it's time to quit yer job, macd.

[King Ken]

He's not worth Dedmon or that contract. You are playing with fire trading for Fultz. Could it work? Possibly but it's highly unlikely.

[King Ken]

damn. i've got no time today to be on the board and starting tomorrow it's going to go back to two posts a day activity. Oh well.

I took most of the day off. This is like my New Years and the draft is Christmas till next year where my goals for the franchise is a playoff appearance.