Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Nathan2331]

He's not worth Dedmon or that contract. You are playing with fire trading for Fultz. Could it work? Possibly but it's highly unlikely.

I'll take a shot for a year and a half. If he sorts himself out, that's a long-term sixth man we acquired for cheap. But I'd have to think they'd be more interested in Lin, that doesn't help them defensively but he'd be better than McConnell at least. Boban is probably good enough to backup Embiid for the regular season.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Disagree greatly here. You don’t think we use either of our 2019 1st round picks? I’m willing to bet ..anything we use at least one if not both. How can you say that before we even know where the picks land? Also, trade up? We could have the 1st pick..if not trading back makes sense.

I precisely said... "I don't presume we're keeping both 2019 1st round picks. I don't even presume we use either one of them."

So, when you suggest that I said I don't think we will, that's a nuanced but very different thing than what I said. And I said what I said because...

"...I take Schlenk at his word when he says we're at that point that he needs to add a cornerstone player."


And I said, "That guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft to us, unless there's a way to trade up to get there."

I'm not sure what you actually disagree with in terms of my support for not presuming we will use one or both 1st round picks... you disbelieve Schlenk's serious about finding a cornerstone player in the draft?... you disagree that that guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft for us, unless there's a way to trade up"... ????

Clarify.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

He's 29, and 31 is not even that old. A lot of guys play their best ball at that age. Do you have some irrational aversion towards veteran players?

To the contrary... I have a statistical aversion because conventionally speaking players hit their peak between ages 25-30, and then begin to decline... which, to the contrary, is very, very rational.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Their bench is a shambles - they have no cap space to play with - Prince is both a cheap salary and talent upgrade for bench

But the missing part of your equation is that he's not a cheap player to acquire. Right? There's only so much you can justify giving up for someone you consider to be part of the bench. Right?

[Spud2nique]

Disagree greatly here. You don’t think we use either of our 2019 1st round picks? I’m willing to bet ..anything we use at least one if not both. How can you say that before we even know where the picks land? Also, trade up? We could have the 1st pick..if not trading back makes sense.

I precisely said... "I don't presume we're keeping both 2019 1st round picks. I don't even presume we use either one of them."

So, when you suggest that I said I don't think we will, that's a nuanced but very different thing than what I said. And I said what I said because...

"...I take Schlenk at his word when he says we're at that point that he needs to add a cornerstone player."


And I said, "That guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft to us, unless there's a way to trade up to get there."

I'm not sure what you actually disagree with in terms of my support for not presuming we will use one or both 1st round picks... you disbelieve Schlenk's serious about finding a cornerstone player in the draft?... you disagree that that guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft for us, unless there's a way to trade up"... ????

Clarify.

wait, what? What’s the difference? You don’t presume we will use those 1st round picks vs you don’t think we will... what’s the difference here Sturt?

Is this a vocab and grammar lesson. I’m not sure what ur talking about.

I guess what I’m saying is that I do believe we will use our draft picks this coming draft because we are at the stage to add more young players out of college.

[King Ken]

Their bench is a shambles - they have no cap space to play with - Prince is both a cheap salary and talent upgrade for bench

But the missing part of your equation is that he's not a cheap player to acquire. Right? There's only so much you can justify giving up for someone you consider to be part of the bench. Right?

I don't know why steady keeping bringing up Prince. This dude always trying to trade Prince. Thank God TS is the GM and not some of these posters.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

There is no way the Hawks are sitting out the draft entitely. We still need talent on this team, young players to groom.

Besides Schlenk 'Cornerstone' comment was made December 12th, 2017 - when Dennis was leading the team, John Collins had started 4 games, Bud was still the coach and Trae was starting his college career.
Things have certainly changed since then!

We disagree exponentially if, when you say, "things have certainly changed since then," you mean to imply that the cornerstone player that Schlenk said just a year ago... specifically... that we need to obtain in the draft... is already on this roster.

And Schlenk himself has said repeatedly in interviews that his thinking in building a championship team has not changed one iota... so it really doesn't matter that he said it 12 months ago or 1 month ago, given his reaffirmation that he's sticking to his plan.

To be clear, it is my perception that there is no future 1st team All-NBA player on this roster. I like our guys. But I don't see a cornerstone. I could be wrong. I hope I am.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Disagree greatly here. You don’t think we use either of our 2019 1st round picks? I’m willing to bet ..anything we use at least one if not both. How can you say that before we even know where the picks land? Also, trade up? We could have the 1st pick..if not trading back makes sense.

I precisely said... "I don't presume we're keeping both 2019 1st round picks. I don't even presume we use either one of them."

So, when you suggest that I said I don't think we will, that's a nuanced but very different thing than what I said. And I said what I said because...

"...I take Schlenk at his word when he says we're at that point that he needs to add a cornerstone player."


And I said, "That guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft to us, unless there's a way to trade up to get there."

I'm not sure what you actually disagree with in terms of my support for not presuming we will use one or both 1st round picks... you disbelieve Schlenk's serious about finding a cornerstone player in the draft?... you disagree that that guy doesn't appear to be available in this draft for us, unless there's a way to trade up"... ????

Clarify.

wait, what? What’s the difference? You don’t presume we will use those 1st round picks vs you don’t think we will... what’s the difference here Sturt?

Is this a vocab and grammar lesson. I’m not sure what ur talking about.

I suppose it's going to need to be...

If a person tells me that he doesn't think X is going to happen, it means just that... effectively, he's persuaded there's a 51% or better likelihood that it isn't going to happen.

If a person tells me that he doesn't presume X is going to happen, it means he really isn't sure whether it will or not... effectively, he's on the fence, pending more information.

I fall into category B on this question... because I think Schlenk's priority now is to identify "the" guy, not even just another starter... and to do that, you either have to be drafting in that top 3 normally, or you have to trade into that top 3, and that even assumes that there is someone in that top 3 that is, indeed, "the" guy, not just another starter.

If you don't see that guy in this draft, it behooves you to trade out of this draft for a pick in the next one that is enhanced with protections to ensure that it is almost the same slot as the one you're giving up this year... a future asset, just as Schlenk has said he's interested in acquiring.

I guess what I’m saying is that I do believe we will use our draft picks this coming draft because we are at the stage to add more young players out of college.

And I guess what I'm saying is that we're near the saturation point, where a 1st round draft pick either has to convey to us that cornerstone player, or it has to be used as part of a package that allows us to trade up to get that cornerstone player... and whether I buy in to that premise or not, Schlenk clearly believes in his plan, and his stated plan has been that.

Now, if you are one of those who think we already have that player on the roster, and more importantly, if Schlenk is one of those who believe that... THEN, we can set aside with some confidence my suggestion that we shouldn't presume we will use one or both 2019 first round picks that we currently have.

[observer1995]

The idea of punting 2019's draft is all good and dandy until you realize that 2020 isn't much better, so I guess that means we're punting two drafts. It was also a comment that he made before taking Trae Young. What if he views Young as the guy?

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

The idea of punting 2019's draft is all good and dandy until you realize that 2020 isn't much better, so I guess that means we're punting two drafts. It was also a comment that he made before taking Trae Young. What if he views Young as the guy?

It's all "good and dandy" to "realize that 2020 isn't much better" today...

It's quite another good and dandy to recognize that what you THINK YOU KNOW TODAY might prove false with time.

All you REALLY KNOW is the bird in the hand that is the 2019 draft... that is, importantly, what you will know on draft night and the days that preceed it when these decisions are, for real, being made.

And to the last comment... just how sure are you that Schlenk is sure that Young is a future perennial all-NBA 1st or 2nd teamer?

If you think he is, okay. You're entitled to your opinion.

[personanongrata]

He's 29, and 31 is not even that old. A lot of guys play their best ball at that age. Do you have some irrational aversion towards veteran players?

To the contrary... I have a statistical aversion because conventionally speaking players hit their peak between ages 25-30, and then begin to decline... which, to the contrary, is very, very rational.

Stephen Curry is 30. Kevin Durant is 30. I guess the Warriors should trade those guys now since they will soon be washed up has-beens.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

He's 29, and 31 is not even that old. A lot of guys play their best ball at that age. Do you have some irrational aversion towards veteran players?

To the contrary... I have a statistical aversion because conventionally speaking players hit their peak between ages 25-30, and then begin to decline... which, to the contrary, is very, very rational.

Stephen Curry is 30. Kevin Durant is 30. I guess the Warriors should trade those guys now since they will soon be washed up has-beens.

For what?

If you could trade for sure-thing Curry and Durant 25 year-old clones, absolutely you do that. Why wouldn't you?

Now, you're just being obtuse.

[Spud2nique]

To the contrary... I have a statistical aversion because conventionally speaking players hit their peak between ages 25-30, and then begin to decline... which, to the contrary, is very, very rational.

Stephen Curry is 30. Kevin Durant is 30. I guess the Warriors should trade those guys now since they will soon be washed up has-beens.

For what?

If you could trade for sure-thing Curry and Durant 25 year-old clones, absolutely you do that. Why wouldn't you?

Now, you're just being obtuse.

Thanks Andy..

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[_s_t_u_r_t_]

(Well, he is. )

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Their bench is a shambles - they have no cap space to play with - Prince is both a cheap salary and talent upgrade for bench

But the missing part of your equation is that he's not a cheap player to acquire. Right? There's only so much you can justify giving up for someone you consider to be part of the bench. Right?

Ennis to the Sixers.

Done.

Maybe OKC makes an offer too good to refuse yet.



Not a GM I like dealing with, in the first place.

[kg01]

Their bench is a shambles - they have no cap space to play with - Prince is both a cheap salary and talent upgrade for bench

But the missing part of your equation is that he's not a cheap player to acquire. Right? There's only so much you can justify giving up for someone you consider to be part of the bench. Right?

Ennis to the Sixers.

Done.

Maybe OKC makes an offer too good to refuse yet.



Not a GM I like dealing with, in the first place.

Yeah seems they don't need Prince in PHI anymore. Tells me we balked at the Prince-Fultz centered trade dealy which I'm fine with.

Not enamored with anything OKC has. I don't even want Ferg anymore considering how #PleaseKevinDon'tHeurt'Em is playing.

[Ice Trae]

Just about 2 hours and a little less than half to go. Where da updates @

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

The more time that passes, the more likely it seems that either Schlenk's aspirations keep getting trumped by better offers from other teams (ie, since we've seen quite a bit of activity over the last 24 hours)... or... he's working on some very big deal trade.

[personanongrata]

To the contrary... I have a statistical aversion because conventionally speaking players hit their peak between ages 25-30, and then begin to decline... which, to the contrary, is very, very rational.

Stephen Curry is 30. Kevin Durant is 30. I guess the Warriors should trade those guys now since they will soon be washed up has-beens.

For what?

If you could trade for sure-thing Curry and Durant 25 year-old clones, absolutely you do that. Why wouldn't you?

Now, you're just being obtuse.

I am just making a point. Saying a productive player under the age of 30 should be traded merely because he's too old is ridiculous.

[_s_t_u_r_t_]

Who said that?

Not me.

"Merely because he's too old" is only about half of what I said.