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This deadline, to me, marks the very end of SVG's panic era. Being patient and not throw away picks' or Kennard can be view as a fresh start.
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I say Leuer just because he never seemed like someone worth anything even close to that kind of money before we signed him and has done pretty much nothing since becoming a piston. Reggie was a bad signing looking at it now but I can't blame SVG too much for that one as Reggie was looking real good when he first came here. Langston also was such a stupid signing, idk why SVG loved to sign unproven role players to 3-4 year contracts.
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I voted Langston cause it hardcapped us
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I went with leuer - length + $ are really horrible. Even if he had turned out to be a solid rotation guy, that would have been a bad signing. We has 27 already with 5 years of nothing under his belt. Expecting him to bust out was nuts.
Close second to RJ, but that's mostly just monday morning quarterbacking. 16 mil/yr for a 24 yr old starting pg isn't bad. He did put up 19/6 the first year and was looking like he might earn that contract. Obviously it hasn't worked out, but injuries happen.
Close second to RJ, but that's mostly just monday morning quarterbacking. 16 mil/yr for a 24 yr old starting pg isn't bad. He did put up 19/6 the first year and was looking like he might earn that contract. Obviously it hasn't worked out, but injuries happen.
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I'd rank them from worst to (lesser) worst...
Leuer > Boban > Galloway > Meeks > Jackson > Drummond
Notes: I ranked Meeks over Galloway because he at least had a great year in LA before we signed him. He just couldnt stay healthy. I loved Boban in Detroit (like most) but SVG didn't play him, so what was the point? Leuer is the most expensive of the role players and has equally provided nothing, so he gets 1st place! Jackson and Drummond deals sort of made sense at the time, so I don't blame SVG for those.
Leuer > Boban > Galloway > Meeks > Jackson > Drummond
Notes: I ranked Meeks over Galloway because he at least had a great year in LA before we signed him. He just couldnt stay healthy. I loved Boban in Detroit (like most) but SVG didn't play him, so what was the point? Leuer is the most expensive of the role players and has equally provided nothing, so he gets 1st place! Jackson and Drummond deals sort of made sense at the time, so I don't blame SVG for those.
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Leuer. If he was expiring this off-season he would have been a decent trade deadline trade chip. He was overpaid in years and money - I doubt he would have got 3 years 24M offer elsewhere in that off-season.
We probably could have got away with Reggie getting only four years BUT he at least played well here going into it. Stan as coach and GM gave him that 5th year than a GM alone would probably have never given him.
I voted Leuer - but I think I want to change my vote to Reggie Jackson. That 5th year was ridiculous. He was a RFA if I remember correctly, his threat to OKC would be to take the QO and had turned down 4 yrs 48M. We were offering him his starting chance, and could have matched any offer sheet. No reason to pay him like that - and if he signed the QO it's not like we paid a lot at the deadline trade wise - Singler, Augustine and a SRP if my memory is correct - so just call his bluff.
We probably could have got away with Reggie getting only four years BUT he at least played well here going into it. Stan as coach and GM gave him that 5th year than a GM alone would probably have never given him.
I voted Leuer - but I think I want to change my vote to Reggie Jackson. That 5th year was ridiculous. He was a RFA if I remember correctly, his threat to OKC would be to take the QO and had turned down 4 yrs 48M. We were offering him his starting chance, and could have matched any offer sheet. No reason to pay him like that - and if he signed the QO it's not like we paid a lot at the deadline trade wise - Singler, Augustine and a SRP if my memory is correct - so just call his bluff.
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Stan outsmarted himself with Boban signing. Just more proof on how bad he was at putting contract valuation on players he thought Baynes would be priced out of our ability to keep him with EBR's. Also Boban was a RFA so we needed to bid enough so SA wouldn't match - hence the money and especially the third year.
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Kilo wrote:Stan outsmarted himself with Boban signing. Just more proof on how bad he was at putting contract valuation on players he thought Baynes would be priced out of our ability to keep him with EBR's. Also Boban was a RFA so we needed to bid enough so SA wouldn't match - hence the money and especially the third year.
The contract was bad enough, but to then not play the guy?? WTF
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Easily Jon Leuer.
This guy played more than 14 minutes/game exactly 1 season out of 5 prior to Detroit signing him. He was a fringe NBA talent, and Stan paid him like a highly touted free agent prize.
Jon Leuer (supposedly signed to be a stretch 4) hasn't made a 3 point basket since April 9, 2017. Which was 22 months ago (42 games played since.)
This guy played more than 14 minutes/game exactly 1 season out of 5 prior to Detroit signing him. He was a fringe NBA talent, and Stan paid him like a highly touted free agent prize.
Jon Leuer (supposedly signed to be a stretch 4) hasn't made a 3 point basket since April 9, 2017. Which was 22 months ago (42 games played since.)
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I have to only choose one? Way to make the job hard.
I reluctantly choose Reggie. That deals total value doubles Leuers and he’s been bad more than he’s been good.
I think that one would be scoring better here if Reggie hadn’t strung together some decent games recently.
Leuer was a tough one to pass but I think the total money above the actual value of the player is higher for Reggie.
Even if we say Leuer is useless he’s ultimately worth 41 mill less than we’re paying him. I think Jackson’s overhead number well exceeds that.
I reluctantly choose Reggie. That deals total value doubles Leuers and he’s been bad more than he’s been good.
I think that one would be scoring better here if Reggie hadn’t strung together some decent games recently.
Leuer was a tough one to pass but I think the total money above the actual value of the player is higher for Reggie.
Even if we say Leuer is useless he’s ultimately worth 41 mill less than we’re paying him. I think Jackson’s overhead number well exceeds that.
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Snakebites wrote:I have to only choose one? Way to make the job hard.
I reluctantly choose Reggie. That deals total value doubles Leuers and he’s been bad more than he’s been good.
I think that one would be scoring better here if Reggie hadn’t strung together some decent games recently.
Leuer was a tough one to pass but I think the total money above the actual value of the player is higher for Reggie.
Even if we say Leuer is useless he’s ultimately worth 41 mill less than we’re paying him. I think Jackson’s overhead number well exceeds that.
Its easy to use hindsight relative to the Jackson extension. However, dude was pretty highly regarded around the league at that time, and many people thought he was being wasted being caught under Russ's shadow.
Plus, Reggie was great after being traded to Detroit. His pedigree around the league at the time, coupled with his very good play in Detroit, and the fact that the price for PG's was on the rise at the time made the extension look fair.
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All of these signings look bad right now. None of them resulted in positive value.
Taking the extensions out of the equation, one very under-rated factor in all of the Leuer/Galloway/Meeks signings was Stan tripped all over himself to commit to those guys very early in free agency. So it was obvious he targeted those guys and prioritized them highly.
Committing to those very low caliber players so early, was a horrendous strategy. Stan never tried to let the market play out and see what was available later in free agency. As free agency matures, guys' prices come down in dollars and years.
Taking the extensions out of the equation, one very under-rated factor in all of the Leuer/Galloway/Meeks signings was Stan tripped all over himself to commit to those guys very early in free agency. So it was obvious he targeted those guys and prioritized them highly.
Committing to those very low caliber players so early, was a horrendous strategy. Stan never tried to let the market play out and see what was available later in free agency. As free agency matures, guys' prices come down in dollars and years.
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Leuer is the worst move because Stanley could have played the 4 also, and that actually was his best position as we saw the game beflre Blake came, and recently.
SVG payed Leuer 41M to guard 1 person - Kevin Love. If thats not a shortsighted panic move i dont know what is. It cost us Tolliver and Stanley, both better options at the 4 than Leuer.
Leuer is the worst move because Stanley could have played the 4 also, and that actually was his best position as we saw the game beflre Blake came, and recently.
SVG payed Leuer 41M to guard 1 person - Kevin Love. If thats not a shortsighted panic move i dont know what is. It cost us Tolliver and Stanley, both better options at the 4 than Leuer.
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1. RJ
2. Galloway (Langston is still pinching himself)
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thesack12 wrote:Snakebites wrote:I have to only choose one? Way to make the job hard.
I reluctantly choose Reggie. That deals total value doubles Leuers and he’s been bad more than he’s been good.
I think that one would be scoring better here if Reggie hadn’t strung together some decent games recently.
Leuer was a tough one to pass but I think the total money above the actual value of the player is higher for Reggie.
Even if we say Leuer is useless he’s ultimately worth 41 mill less than we’re paying him. I think Jackson’s overhead number well exceeds that.
Its easy to use hindsight relative to the Jackson extension. However, dude was pretty highly regarded around the league at that time, and many people thought he was being wasted being caught under Russ's shadow.
Plus, Reggie was great after being traded to Detroit. His pedigree around the league at the time, coupled with his very good play in Detroit, and the fact that the price for PG's was on the rise at the time made the extension look fair.
I was definitely using hindsight, which to me is the meaningful way of considering these years after the fact.
This is a signing I defended at the time. I was wrong.
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Can’t decide between Leuer and Langston. Both are minimum contract talent and always have been. Both spots could’ve been filled with g-league players and it would make no difference.

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SVG had some bad luck with injuries, but he overpaid for practically every player he signed. The only exception I can think of was Bullock, Baynes and Ish, who provided nice value for the price. He also signed guys for too many years.
I will give SVG some credit though: he at least avoided overpaying for guys like KCP and Monroe. When you strike out in free agency and the draft though, there’s very little room to grow. I always thought SVG the coach must have hated SVG the GM.
I will give SVG some credit though: he at least avoided overpaying for guys like KCP and Monroe. When you strike out in free agency and the draft though, there’s very little room to grow. I always thought SVG the coach must have hated SVG the GM.
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Reggie Jackson at least was signed to be our starter PG. Galloway was signed to be something he is not (Reggie's insurance) same thing for Leuer, he was supposed to be a stretch 4 and he can't hit 3's. So yeah, Leuer (he was more expensive and barelly played) followed by Galloway who seems to be a nice guy but is a scrub who should be paid the minimum and got a 21 millions contract.
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I remember when we signed Leuer that he was seen as a poor man's Kevin Love. He actually looked decent as a backup before he became a starter, burned out and got hurt. Losing Tolliver and his leadership twice was as bad as the financial loss IMO. Galloway deserves honorable mention.
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I voted boban, but Jon leuer was the other. There was NO other competition for bonans services at that price. I really think we could’ve gotten him for about 1/2. Leuer has handcuffed us, but two words “Ryan Anderson “. That’s who we were desperately after. We would’ve gave him 3 and 60. Svg has his good spots, but he needed someone to keep him in check