Frank Kaminsky #2 - Not Extended (UFA)

[SWedd523]

On a sidenote Franks sister is hot as hell.

Yooo what's up Hannah Kaminsky



****, Jess ain't bad either

[bravor]

On a sidenote Franks sister is hot as hell.

Glad i am not the only one that noticed that.

I also thought that if she steps up like this for her brother, she might have as much toughness as all wing players of this team together

[Liver_Pooty]

On a sidenote Franks sister is hot as hell.

Yooo what's up Hannah Kaminsky



****, Jess ain't bad either

Frank had to have been adopted

[fatlever]

Never forget that Frank trashed Charlotte when he was still in college. He never wanted to be here. It was a colossal mistake drafting him.

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[SWedd523]

On a sidenote Franks sister is hot as hell.

Yooo what's up Hannah Kaminsky



****, Jess ain't bad either

Frank had to have been adopted

Wasa thinking the same thing. They look nothing alike

[DY_nasty]

Never forget that Frank trashed Charlotte when he was still in college. He never wanted to be here. It was a colossal mistake drafting him.

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he told no lies tho

[BlackOutBuzz]

Frank somehow makes The Ringer's top 5 buyout options but gets eviscerated in the process.

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[Diop]

what an idiot, he's in Charlotte he should've gone with the Ric Flair "Wooooooooooooo"

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[Rich4114]

What was worse for us, drafting Frank instead of making the trade, passing up on Mitchell for Monk or taking MKG over Beal or Drummond?

It’s a tough one for me between the first two, but Monk still has a chance to be something for us.

[fatlever]

What was worse for us, drafting Frank instead of making the trade, passing up on Mitchell for Monk or taking MKG over Beal or Drummond?

It’s a tough one for me between the first two, but Monk still has a chance to be something for us.

of all the options in play
booker > turner > picks > winlow = rozier > lyles = oubre > frank > payne
thats 7 options we missed to take frank. and after that -> dekker, grant, portis, rhj

[catch20two]

What was worse for us, drafting Frank instead of making the trade, passing up on Mitchell for Monk or taking MKG over Beal or Drummond?

It’s a tough one for me between the first two, but Monk still has a chance to be something for us.

Passing up on Mitchell for Monk. Mitchell would’ve been able to seamlessly start alongside Kemba and we wouldn’t be wondering if Kemba will walk this offseason because we’d be a top 4 team in the East.

Frank has his warts but we also did him some disservice by playing him out of position with a bad coach in Clifford.

[Bassman]

Frank was the benefactor of a final four run his last season. He was a good college center. Never had the potential to be a quality starter at either the 5 or as a “stretch 4” in the NBA. If we were offered the bushel of picks rumored, we messed that up badly but I think the worse pick was taking hyphen over Beal or Drummond. Beal was the best option based on potential and needs. Drummond was a bit less of a sure thing but would have been a far better pick than an athletic guy who had a broken and bad shot.

[catch20two]

Frank and his family are acting a little ridiculous.

They’re totally right.

[GoBobs]

What was worse for us, drafting Frank instead of making the trade, passing up on Mitchell for Monk or taking MKG over Beal or Drummond?

It’s a tough one for me between the first two, but Monk still has a chance to be something for us.

trading our second round pick in the draft we took frank, next pick heat took josh richardson. we should have gotten winslow and richardson that draft.

[Najee12]

What was worse for us, drafting Frank instead of making the trade, passing up on Mitchell for Monk or taking MKG over Beal or Drummond?

The 2012 and 2015 drafts each affected the long-term trajectories of the Bobcats/Hornets for the worst, but each draft had different damaging effects.

The 2012 Bobcats were coming off the worst season in NBA history (7-59 record, averaging 87 points per game while shooting a collective .414 field-goal percentage). Given that Charlotte was basically worse than an expansion team in terms of talent, the team needed to draft a player with star potential. The players I liked were (in order) Bradley Beal, Andre Drummond and Damian Lillard. Drummond and Lillard were boom-or-bust prospects but I favored Drummond more because Lillard seemed like a duplication of then-rookie Kemba Walker. Drummond was an athletic center but had no offensive game, plus Charlotte just selected another raw frontline player with a lottery pick (Bismack Biyombo) the previous year.

Beal made the most sense to me because he showed he had scoring ability and potentially could play off the ball with Walker. Beal also looked like he could be a good enough defender to switch with Walker, based on what I saw in college.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist never made sense to me because his major weaknesses were shooting and scoring (that awful jump-shooting form at Kentucky made me question if he ever could shoot at the NBA level). Not to mention many scouts correctly predicted Kidd-Gilchrist had little to no upside; he projected as being no more than a Tony Allen-type player (maybe Stacey Augmon if he developed some semblance of a perimeter game). Kidd-Gilchrist just seemed like a bad fit for a team as terrible as the Bobcats were. No team should spend the No. 2 pick in the draft on a player with Tony Allen upside, much less a team coming off the worst season in NBA history.

The Frank Kaminsky selection in the 2015 draft equally was damaging, but with even broader implications. Kaminsky projected as a Spencer Hawes-type player (which became ironically sad when Charlotte acquired Hawes in a trade two weeks before the draft). Just like in 2012, Charlotte needed outside shooting and scoring; the 2014-15 Hornets averaged 94.2 points per game (28th in the NBA) while shooting a collective .420 field-goal percentage (29th) and .318 3-point shooting (30th, last).

Devin Booker made the most sense to me; even though he played on a loaded Kentucky team that could not emphasize one player too much (Booker was the fourth lottery pick on that team), Booker was considered the best shooter in the draft. Like Beal in 2012, Booker looked like he was capable of playing well with Walker; Booker even showed he could handle the ball, which would allow Walker to play off the ball and score. Being 6-foot-6, Booker seemed like a good counterpart to keep the 6-foot Walker from being abused by taller guards defensively.

I don't know if many people projected Charlotte to pick Kaminsky with the No. 9 pick; many projections I recall had Charlotte selecting players such as Stanley Johnson (like Kidd-Gilchrist, another projected small forward with questionable offensive skills) or Myles Turner (a potential Chris Bosh-type power forward with shot-blocking and 3-point shooting potential). When Justise Winslow started falling, some people thought Charlotte should have drafted him (Winslow also was too similar to Kidd-Gilchrist).

So it was a surprise when Charlotte chose Kaminsky, one that received criticism almost immediately. But then word came out that Boston offered the following to Charlotte for the No. 9 pick:

* The No. 15 pick in the 2015 draft (originally Atlanta's pick but traded to Washington, used to select Kelly Oubre).
* The No. 16 pick in the 2015 draft (used to select Terry Rozier).
* The No. 9 pick in the 2018 draft (eventually traded to Cleveland in the Kyrie Irving deal, used to select Collin Sexton).
* The choice of a future first-rounder from either the Memphis Grizzlies or Minnesota Timberwolves (the Memphis pick will be Boston's pick if it is not in the top eight this year or in the top six in 2020; it is unprotected in 2021).

As bad as the Kidd-Gilchrist selection was, the Kaminsky selection is even more devastating. Even if Charlotte did not select Booker or Turner, having four extra first-round picks would have given the Hornets the flexibility to stockpile talent and/or make a major trade. Cleveland likely would have not have traded Irving to Boston; if anything, Charlotte could have been the team that traded for Irving or another major player (see Paul George). Moreover, Charlotte could have survived the Kidd-Gilchrist blunder with the 2015 selection of Booker/having four first-rounders as trade assets to build on that 48-win playoff team.

[Najee12]

Frank was the benefactor of a final four run his last season. He was a good college center. Never had the potential to be a quality starter at either the 5 or as a “stretch 4” in the NBA. If we were offered the bushel of picks rumored, we messed that up badly but I think the worse pick was taking hyphen over Beal or Drummond. Beal was the best option based on potential and needs. Drummond was a bit less of a sure thing but would have been a far better pick than an athletic guy who had a broken and bad shot.

Selecting Michael Kidd-Gilchrist also has had another negative long-term effect on the Bobcats/Hornets: His inability to develop into an offensive player was the major factor in Charlotte trading for Nicolas Batum. If Kidd-Gilchrist had become a passable threat who could keep teams from overplaying Kemba Walker and Al Jefferson, Charlotte may not have traded for Batum or re-signed him to that ridiculous contract that has become an albatross around the franchise's neck.

[catch20two]

We ruined MKG. Ruined Frank too. Both would’ve been better players had they got drafted elsewhere like Toronto, Boston, or Milwaukee.

[Najee12]

We ruined MKG. Ruined Frank too. Both would’ve been better players had they got drafted elsewhere like Toronto, Boston, or Milwaukee.

Honestly, I can't say Charlotte ruined Frank Kaminsky and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. They became pretty much what scouts predicted what they would become -- rotational NBA players to marginal starters. I don't recall seeing any scout observation that projected them as potential star players. Both Kaminsky and Kidd-Gilchrist were seen as decent-floor, low-upside players.

What makes Kaminsky and Kidd-Gilchrist bad picks is where did Charlotte select them and the circumstances surrounding the team at the time of the selections. I place the blame on Charlotte's brain trust for those miscalculations.

[yosemiteben]

I'm not exactly sticking up for our player development, but I don't think you can talk about blame for MKG's failure to develop and not mention the fact that he missed multiple seasons at crucial periods in his development.

[catch20two]

We ruined MKG. Ruined Frank too. Both would’ve been better players had they got drafted elsewhere like Toronto, Boston, or Milwaukee.

Honestly, I can't say Charlotte ruined Frank Kaminsky and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. They became pretty much what scouts predicted what they would become -- rotational NBA players to marginal starters. I don't recall seeing any scout observation that projected them as potential star players. Both Kaminsky and Kidd-Gilchrist were seen as decent-floor, low-upside players.

What makes Kaminsky and Kidd-Gilchrist bad picks is where did Charlotte select them and the circumstances surrounding the team at the time of the selections. I place the blame on Charlotte's brain trust for those miscalculations.

When Frank and eventually MKG move on from us I’ll remember to remind everyone here when they become integral cogs in a winning system.

Frank is supposed to be a better version of Ryan Anderson and MKG supposed to be similar to prime Gerald Wallace.