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Is Justice a PG?

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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#21 » by Beenie » Sun Feb 3, 2019 3:43 am

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List a few names of PG's who don't have these qualities.

I prefer to break down your “rules” for being a PG and you can come up with your own list of names.

1. The PG should be able to break his man down off the dribble and get into the paint especially if a defensive switch is forced.

Justise has done this, particularly on switches.

2. A PG ought to be able to set up the offense and direct traffic to organize high percentage field goal attempts.

This is just a generic, filler description of what a PG “should” do. Directing traffic isnt even a quantifiable statistic that I could make a list of players who do this. The offense is always going to be the sum of the collective players on the floor. When he’s been able to control the offense he’s generated looks for others.

3. A PG should possess an explosive first step.

An explosive first step is no more important for a PG than it is for any other position on the floor. A SG should possess an explosive first step, a SF should possess an explosive first step, a PF should possess an explosive first step. Another generic filler description.



Justise has done this, particularly on switches.


Marginally at best. Winslow is slightly better than J-Rich, Mcgruder, and Dion in this regard and nobody is clamoring for those guys to take the PG reigns. Considering that the difference between Winslow and those guys is immaterial when taking the historical and present day context of this skill as it relates to point guard position ought to outline and highlight the obviousness that Winslow is not a PG. Simply put, a great PG, much less a good one, ought to regularly be able beat his man off the dribble after a defensive switch. Furthermore, this current washed version of Wade is better in this role than is Winslow.

This is just a generic, filler description of what a PG “should” do. Directing traffic isnt even a quantifiable statistic that I could make a list of players who do this. The offense is always going to be the sum of the collective players on the floor. When he’s been able to control the offense he’s generated looks for others.


A point guard's main responsibility after safely advancing the ball up-court is to get high percentage shots for his teammates and for himself, period. Winslow is good at doing this for his position, not for a PG. Recognizing that setting up the offense with the intent of executing a play that will produce a high percentage FG attempt isn't a "quantifiable stat", it's just common basketball knowledge that it's what a PG is suppose to do. Simple put, PG's ought to be able to get easy looks for their teammates ad themselves and Winslow doesn't do this nearly enough to be a PG.

An explosive first step is no more important for a PG than it is for any other position on the floor. A SG should possess an explosive first step, a SF should possess an explosive first step, a PF should possess an explosive first step. Another generic filler description.


The phrase "explosive first step" perhaps is too provocative. In the half court, the PG however does need to be able to beat the first line of defense off the dribble enough to keep the defense honest. Its often achieved with the first step but isn't limited to it. And, IMO, the person who handles the ball most often, the PG in general, ought to better at this than other positions are. There are exceptions and I recognize the obvious examples i.e Lebron.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#22 » by fouled out boy » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:29 pm

If he is not a PG, than he is a point-forward. At the end of the day he was drafted as a pure man LeBron.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#23 » by fouled out boy » Tue Feb 5, 2019 1:34 pm

Beenie wrote:Marginally at best. Winslow is slightly better than J-Rich, Mcgruder, and Dion in this regard and nobody is clamoring for those guys to take the PG reigns.

Maybe slightly better at pure passing skills, but IMO def better at decision making (and he's making quick decisions), court vision and feel for the game.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#24 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Feb 5, 2019 2:40 pm

I love justise and really want him here long term, kid is a winner, smart and works very hard. And he can be a good player.

With that said - if I was picking my ideal PG for the future - I wouldv'e picked a player with a diffrent skillset.

For this NBA I want my PG to :

1. Be a very good pull up shooter and create your own shot - That's not justise
2. Shoot alot of 3's and hit a great % - his % are good but his rate per 36 isn't high
3. Get to the FT line - not really him yet
4. Break down the defense and find others - seems to be decent in this area, not very explosive first step
5. Smart, leader, cool under pressure - he got that chit naild
6. decent defensivly - he's got that too.


So overall, he's great at the area i value less, and he's not elite in the skills i value most - mostly creating his own shot, shooting alot of 3's and using explosive first step to break the defense.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#25 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Tue Feb 5, 2019 6:16 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:I love justise and really want him here long term, kid is a winner, smart and works very hard. And he can be a good player.

With that said - if I was picking my ideal PG for the future - I wouldv'e picked a player with a diffrent skillset.

For this NBA I want my PG to :

1. Be a very good pull up shooter and create your own shot - That's not justise
2. Shoot alot of 3's and hit a great % - his % are good but his rate per 36 isn't high
3. Get to the FT line - not really him yet
4. Break down the defense and find others - seems to be decent in this area, not very explosive first step
5. Smart, leader, cool under pressure - he got that chit naild
6. decent defensivly - he's got that too.


So overall, he's great at the area i value less, and he's not elite in the skills i value most - mostly creating his own shot, shooting alot of 3's and using explosive first step to break the defense.


How do you feel about Winslow becoming a bigger Mike Conley? I think he's on his way there.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#26 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Feb 5, 2019 7:13 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:I love justise and really want him here long term, kid is a winner, smart and works very hard. And he can be a good player.

With that said - if I was picking my ideal PG for the future - I wouldv'e picked a player with a diffrent skillset.

For this NBA I want my PG to :

1. Be a very good pull up shooter and create your own shot - That's not justise
2. Shoot alot of 3's and hit a great % - his % are good but his rate per 36 isn't high
3. Get to the FT line - not really him yet
4. Break down the defense and find others - seems to be decent in this area, not very explosive first step
5. Smart, leader, cool under pressure - he got that chit naild
6. decent defensivly - he's got that too.


So overall, he's great at the area i value less, and he's not elite in the skills i value most - mostly creating his own shot, shooting alot of 3's and using explosive first step to break the defense.


How do you feel about Winslow becoming a bigger Mike Conley? I think he's on his way there.


i think thats a pretty good comparssion. i can see the similarities in their games.

and in a way this is just adding to my point - Conley was never an allsrar, his teams never went far in the playoffs, and to me he was never worth te max money he got.

Hes a good savy player, not a great one. and in this era, i think you can only go this far with his skillset as a PG.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#27 » by flat_eric » Thu Feb 7, 2019 10:42 pm

Speaking of PGs - anyone know how far away Dragic is from a return? I've heard zip about his recovery since he went down...
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#28 » by Hoops23 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 2:25 am

Winslow is not a typical PG but he can play point. A good back-up for Dragic
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#29 » by Youngray29 » Sat Feb 9, 2019 12:18 am

Yes, this is his first year officially playing the position and he's doing a great job considering his first three years.

He went from spotting up in corners and defending to shooting and dishing.

I think his successful development depends on him touching the ball, not standing in the corner like some step child.

He might not permanently play the 1 but when he moves back to the 3 he needs to handle the ball a decent amount.

Hoops23 wrote:Winslow is not a typical PG but he can play point. A good back-up for Dragic



Your selling him short. Goran needs to go or move to the 2 and focus on scoring. This team isn't good enough for him to be a back up pg. Man needs to play and develop while he's still young.
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Re: Is Justice a PG? 

Post#30 » by Joel Embust » Sat Feb 9, 2019 4:17 am

Well, he's not a 4. That's for sure.

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