Goodbye Simms...what does this mean for Vuc & Ross?

[pepe1991]

Why?

Reddish is a really nice two-way player. If Fultz is who we hope he is then Reddish is exactly the kind of player you want as his wing man. ... especially considering we are looking at drafting outside the top 5 again without some lotto luck.

I highly doubt even if Fultzs becomes NBA player that he will ever be shooter .

What is Reddish good at aside of missing lot of shots?
He is wing player that can't shoot, rebound or pass at respecful level despite playing on abomination of college basketball team that is so grossly overpowered compared to competition mostly because of Zion ( and to lesser exstend Barrett ) that it's almost pointless to play NCAA tournement, might as well give them trophy already.

lol, this is one of the most “Pepe-esque” scouting reports I have seen. Thanks for that.

Go do your research.

34,9% FG at college level being the worst player by FG% on own team ( actually 4th worst ,but 3 worst combined for 36 shots ).
In mean time Reddish attemped only 32 FGA less than Williamson, but he also scored whooping 201 point less.

Let's mark this : 32 FGA LESS THAN ZION BUT 201 POINTS HE SCORED LESS.

What is else to add ?
All around game ? 6'8 wing player on 27 mpg can't get 3,5 rebounds? Despite 27% usage rate can't have 2,5 assists?
He is type of player that Josh Jackson was at college, if Jackson had stroke ,broken leg and child paralysis yet still played.

Is last paragraph overexertion ?
ofc it is , but come on man, that guy was viewed as high as 4th overall draft pick few months ago, now he is being talked about as player that will be in late lottery. His stock is on free fall. By the draft day he'll get Micael Porter'ed by GMs.

[MagicFan101]

I highly doubt even if Fultzs becomes NBA player that he will ever be shooter .

What is Reddish good at aside of missing lot of shots?
He is wing player that can't shoot, rebound or pass at respecful level despite playing on abomination of college basketball team that is so grossly overpowered compared to competition mostly because of Zion ( and to lesser exstend Barrett ) that it's almost pointless to play NCAA tournement, might as well give them trophy already.

lol, this is one of the most “Pepe-esque” scouting reports I have seen. Thanks for that.

Go do your research.

34,9% FG at college level being the worst player by FG% on own team ( actually 4th worst ,but 3 worst combined for 36 shots ).
In mean time Reddish attemped only 32 FGA less than Williamson, but he also scored whooping 201 point less.

Let's mark this : 32 FGA LESS THAN ZION BUT 201 POINTS HE SCORED LESS.

What is else to add ?
All around game ? 6'8 wing player on 27 mpg can't get 3,5 rebounds? Despite 27% usage rate can't have 2,5 assists?
He is type of player that Josh Jackson was at college, if Jackson had stroke ,broken leg and child paralysis yet still played.

Is last paragraph overexertion ?
ofc it is , but come on man, that guy was viewed as high as 4th overall draft pick few months ago, now he is being talked about as player that will be in late lottery. His stock is on free fall. By the draft day he'll get Micael Porter'ed by GMs.

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?


... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

[drsd]

No.

Without renouncing or trading anyone of significance (Mozzy/Fournier) we will be 18m over the cap.

Even if we renounced one player we will still be over the cap.

In order to have some cap we would either need to stretch Mozzy or trade Fournier or renounce both Ross/Vucevic and the only way to have cap without renouncing Ross/Vucevic we would have to dump Mozzy to a team with open cap (Atlanta for ex.)

I don't think we're big players this free agency which is why I think we dealt for Fultz to address a serious position of need which we probably couldn't adress come free agency.

Offering DLO or even Brogdon a substantial offer is a pipe dream as it stands right now.

It would be a minor shock if Augustin is still a Magician next season. He is easily tradable in a salary dump. Add Ross' cap number release, as the Magic would sign Vučević over Ross, and the Magic is getting close to the 18M cap space needed. Grant will not get his qualifying offer.

Frankly the only FA moves I can imagine are a new PG, a new wing player, and two new PFs, all towards the minimum salary line.

This team's next splash will be 2020 when Orlando gets Mozgov off of the books.

p.s. of course some team might actually trade for Mozgov as an expiring. If two slightly overpriced forwards on multi-year deals are brought in for, for example Augustin and Mozgov, then that's two 10M deals the Magic could absorb.

[pepe1991]

lol, this is one of the most “Pepe-esque” scouting reports I have seen. Thanks for that.

Go do your research.

34,9% FG at college level being the worst player by FG% on own team ( actually 4th worst ,but 3 worst combined for 36 shots ).
In mean time Reddish attemped only 32 FGA less than Williamson, but he also scored whooping 201 point less.

Let's mark this : 32 FGA LESS THAN ZION BUT 201 POINTS HE SCORED LESS.

What is else to add ?
All around game ? 6'8 wing player on 27 mpg can't get 3,5 rebounds? Despite 27% usage rate can't have 2,5 assists?
He is type of player that Josh Jackson was at college, if Jackson had stroke ,broken leg and child paralysis yet still played.

Is last paragraph overexertion ?
ofc it is , but come on man, that guy was viewed as high as 4th overall draft pick few months ago, now he is being talked about as player that will be in late lottery. His stock is on free fall. By the draft day he'll get Micael Porter'ed by GMs.

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?


... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

College competition is simply bad. For guy who plays with two ( of two) most elite prospects in the world he should have easy job getting easy looks and inflated efficiency. At least a bit. Instad he can't even meet lowest acceptable expetations when it comes to basics of basketball like 53-54% TS or shooting 36-38% for 3.
You have to understand how bad college basketball is.
Winslow, Stanley Johnson even Tony Allen menaged to put up effective numbers during their college days ( Allen 14 ppg 38% for 3 for example ) because it's simply that level of competition. I have never seen player who looks this innefficient at college and who had great nba career later. Maybe you can put up some names? I tried. I just can't find anybody.

What great of impact on game are you talking about ? They are team that looks like Warriors playing against famale highschool roster. 15 of his Ws were complete blowouts. Yet even in that type of inflated stats , Reddish is having terrible offensive rating and putritd shooting numbers. Matter of fact he has 3rd lowest OFF rating on own team.

Yes. Michael Porter'ed . Porter actually returned and played AFTER injury but look like s***t so he fall to 14#. It was announced 2 months after a draft that he will miss 2018-19 season.

But let's talk about Cam little more:

He has 44 assists to 58 turnovers as another example of how trully terrible he has been so far .

Bleacher report in article about most dissapointing prospects so far from few weeks ago listed him saying this

He's shooting just 37.4 percent, generating .784 points per possession in the half court (34th percentile), where he's converting 29.7 percent of his catch-and-shoot chances and 36.0 percent of his pull-ups.

Reddish hasn't been able to build or sustain any rhythm from outside, but he's also struggled to create and finish in tighter two-point windows. He's missed nine of 11 mid-range shots and all four of his runners, while a lack of strength, explosion and feel has led to an uninspiring 50.0 percent finishing mark around the basket.

He's also totaled 49 turnovers to 26 assists, with poor shooting performances appearing capable of affecting his decision-making.

The NBA long-term scouting scope still admires his positional tools, shot-making (2.4 3PTM) and defensive potential. But since he arrived at Duke, more questions have been raised about whether Reddish can convert talent into impact.

[MagicFan101]

34,9% FG at college level being the worst player by FG% on own team ( actually 4th worst ,but 3 worst combined for 36 shots ).
In mean time Reddish attemped only 32 FGA less than Williamson, but he also scored whooping 201 point less.

Let's mark this : 32 FGA LESS THAN ZION BUT 201 POINTS HE SCORED LESS.

What is else to add ?
All around game ? 6'8 wing player on 27 mpg can't get 3,5 rebounds? Despite 27% usage rate can't have 2,5 assists?
He is type of player that Josh Jackson was at college, if Jackson had stroke ,broken leg and child paralysis yet still played.

Is last paragraph overexertion ?
ofc it is , but come on man, that guy was viewed as high as 4th overall draft pick few months ago, now he is being talked about as player that will be in late lottery. His stock is on free fall. By the draft day he'll get Micael Porter'ed by GMs.

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?


... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

College competition is simply bad. For guy who plays with two ( of two) most elite prospects in the world he should have easy job getting easy looks and inflated efficiency. At least a bit. Instad he can't even meet lowest acceptable expetations when it comes to basics of basketball like 53-54% TS or shooting 36-38% for 3.
You have to understand how bad college basketball is.
Winslow, Stanley Johnson even Tony Allen menaged to put up effective numbers during their college days ( Allen 14 ppg 38% for 3 for example ) because it's simply that level of competition. I have never seen player who looks this innefficient at college and who had great nba career later. Maybe you can put up some names? I tried. I just can't find anybody.

What great of impact on game are you talking about ? They are team that looks like Warriors playing against famale highschool roster. 15 of his Ws were complete blowouts. Yet even in that type of inflated stats , Reddish is having terrible offensive rating and putritd shooting numbers. Matter of fact he has 3rd lowest OFF rating on own team.

Yes. Michael Porter'ed . Porter actually returned and played AFTER injury but look like s***t so he fall to 14#. It was announced 2 months after a draft that he will miss 2018-19 season.

But let's talk about Cam little more:

He has 44 assists to 58 turnovers as another example of how trully terrible he has been so far .

Bleacher report in article about most dissapointing prospects so far from few weeks ago listed him saying this

He's shooting just 37.4 percent, generating .784 points per possession in the half court (34th percentile), where he's converting 29.7 percent of his catch-and-shoot chances and 36.0 percent of his pull-ups.

Reddish hasn't been able to build or sustain any rhythm from outside, but he's also struggled to create and finish in tighter two-point windows. He's missed nine of 11 mid-range shots and all four of his runners, while a lack of strength, explosion and feel has led to an uninspiring 50.0 percent finishing mark around the basket.

He's also totaled 49 turnovers to 26 assists, with poor shooting performances appearing capable of affecting his decision-making.

The NBA long-term scouting scope still admires his positional tools, shot-making (2.4 3PTM) and defensive potential. But since he arrived at Duke, more questions have been raised about whether Reddish can convert talent into impact.

You suffer from a problem common among foreigners. You lack the attention span to sit through entire games or appreciate less glamorous parts of the game such of defense, ball movement and simple decision making.

Stop focusing on box scores, highlights or quick Tweets.

Watch some games. No, watch many many complete games. Then come back and try to join the discussions around here.

[pepe1991]

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?


... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

College competition is simply bad. For guy who plays with two ( of two) most elite prospects in the world he should have easy job getting easy looks and inflated efficiency. At least a bit. Instad he can't even meet lowest acceptable expetations when it comes to basics of basketball like 53-54% TS or shooting 36-38% for 3.
You have to understand how bad college basketball is.
Winslow, Stanley Johnson even Tony Allen menaged to put up effective numbers during their college days ( Allen 14 ppg 38% for 3 for example ) because it's simply that level of competition. I have never seen player who looks this innefficient at college and who had great nba career later. Maybe you can put up some names? I tried. I just can't find anybody.

What great of impact on game are you talking about ? They are team that looks like Warriors playing against famale highschool roster. 15 of his Ws were complete blowouts. Yet even in that type of inflated stats , Reddish is having terrible offensive rating and putritd shooting numbers. Matter of fact he has 3rd lowest OFF rating on own team.

Yes. Michael Porter'ed . Porter actually returned and played AFTER injury but look like s***t so he fall to 14#. It was announced 2 months after a draft that he will miss 2018-19 season.

But let's talk about Cam little more:

He has 44 assists to 58 turnovers as another example of how trully terrible he has been so far .

Bleacher report in article about most dissapointing prospects so far from few weeks ago listed him saying this

He's shooting just 37.4 percent, generating .784 points per possession in the half court (34th percentile), where he's converting 29.7 percent of his catch-and-shoot chances and 36.0 percent of his pull-ups.

Reddish hasn't been able to build or sustain any rhythm from outside, but he's also struggled to create and finish in tighter two-point windows. He's missed nine of 11 mid-range shots and all four of his runners, while a lack of strength, explosion and feel has led to an uninspiring 50.0 percent finishing mark around the basket.

He's also totaled 49 turnovers to 26 assists, with poor shooting performances appearing capable of affecting his decision-making.

The NBA long-term scouting scope still admires his positional tools, shot-making (2.4 3PTM) and defensive potential. But since he arrived at Duke, more questions have been raised about whether Reddish can convert talent into impact.

You suffer from a problem common among foreigners. You lack the attention span to sit through entire games or appreciate less glamorous parts of the game such of defense, ball movement and simple decision making.

Stop focusing on box scores, highlights or quick Tweets.

Watch some games. No, watch many many complete games. Then come back and try to join the discussions around here.

"You suffer from a problem common among foreigners. You lack the attention span to sit through entire games or appreciate less glamorous parts of the game such of defense, ball movement and simple decision making. " is this unitentional oxymoron? Euro style of basketball is nothing but ballscreens, set plays ,set defense and decision making, and im from mid Europe

You should maybe be more objective and less ignorant? I don't mind your " my eye test" approach but you are clearly don't make racional conclusions from what you watch if you think Reddish has been anything shorter than major letdown so far.

[Xatticus]

lol, this is one of the most “Pepe-esque” scouting reports I have seen. Thanks for that.

Go do your research.

34,9% FG at college level being the worst player by FG% on own team ( actually 4th worst ,but 3 worst combined for 36 shots ).
In mean time Reddish attemped only 32 FGA less than Williamson, but he also scored whooping 201 point less.

Let's mark this : 32 FGA LESS THAN ZION BUT 201 POINTS HE SCORED LESS.

What is else to add ?
All around game ? 6'8 wing player on 27 mpg can't get 3,5 rebounds? Despite 27% usage rate can't have 2,5 assists?
He is type of player that Josh Jackson was at college, if Jackson had stroke ,broken leg and child paralysis yet still played.

Is last paragraph overexertion ?
ofc it is , but come on man, that guy was viewed as high as 4th overall draft pick few months ago, now he is being talked about as player that will be in late lottery. His stock is on free fall. By the draft day he'll get Micael Porter'ed by GMs.

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?

... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

His field goal percentages are troublingly low. He is only 50% at the rim and 20% on 2-point jumpers. Both of those are terrible. He has an absurdly high usage for someone that takes such a high percentage of his shots from behind the 3-point line. He might be capable of more, but he hasn't shown much at the college level. I wouldn't consider drafting him anywhere in the lottery.

[BadHombre]

It means we’re at the mercy of Vuc’s FA decision. It can go one of two ways:

1) he re-signs, and then we’re left with a max of $11M in cap space to chase other additions, or we re-sign Ross as well and give up that cap space.

2) he chooses to sign somewhere else. At which point, we can either:
2a) not re-sign Ross and clear enough room to chase or offer a MAX FA contract. Who knows if any legit MAX-worthy FA’s even entertain the idea.
2b) re-sign Ross and have up to $16M in cap space to pursue other FA’s.

If we lose Vuc, it will be a waste of an asset. But, we could still find a way to replace him with a cheap FA C whilst Bamba continues to develop, we could have room to make a significant FA addition.

We’re more or less waiting on the development of 3 projects, whilst 3/5 of our starters have already capped out on their maximum potential - which we’re already witnessing the results of.

[pepe1991]

34,9% FG at college level being the worst player by FG% on own team ( actually 4th worst ,but 3 worst combined for 36 shots ).
In mean time Reddish attemped only 32 FGA less than Williamson, but he also scored whooping 201 point less.

Let's mark this : 32 FGA LESS THAN ZION BUT 201 POINTS HE SCORED LESS.

What is else to add ?
All around game ? 6'8 wing player on 27 mpg can't get 3,5 rebounds? Despite 27% usage rate can't have 2,5 assists?
He is type of player that Josh Jackson was at college, if Jackson had stroke ,broken leg and child paralysis yet still played.

Is last paragraph overexertion ?
ofc it is , but come on man, that guy was viewed as high as 4th overall draft pick few months ago, now he is being talked about as player that will be in late lottery. His stock is on free fall. By the draft day he'll get Micael Porter'ed by GMs.

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?

... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

His field goal percentages are troublingly low. He is only 50% at the rim and 20% on 2-point jumpers. Both of those are terrible. He has an absurdly high usage for someone that takes such a high percentage of his shots from behind the 3-point line. He might be capable of more, but he hasn't shown much at the college level. I wouldn't consider drafting him anywhere in the lottery.

Thank you. He reminds me on James Young and his season with Kentucky when he was second- third option and shot most of shots outside arc on low efficiency, drafted 17# , lasted 3 years in nba.
Problem with his game is his floor. He is not really good at anything on offense. I know from draftexpress first scouting reports that they all pointed out that his finishing around hoop will be bad because he has no strenght or balance when he drives, and that is best shown in 50% shooting around rim.

I honestly don't know how he would look like if Zion and RJ don't exist on his roster but it's actually another negative factor in evaluation of him as prospect , as he tried to force himself into their usage, just with terrible results instad of being best version of himself. Guy has whooping 27% usage rate by having 50% TS. Just crazy.

[Xatticus]

Wow ... you’re doubling down on the ignorance here. You still haven’t captured what he is. Not every player is Steph Curry or James Harden. There are other styles of play which can greatly impact a game. With a top 3-5 pick, the modern game requires a dominant playmaker. We aren’t talking about that.

Michael Porter’ed!? Wow ... do you remember what happened to MP? Can you think of anything at all which might have caused his fall in drafts?

... some day you will have to watch a full basketball game if you want to continue positing here. Box scores and highlights can tell any story you wish. But watching complete games is what tells the true story.

His field goal percentages are troublingly low. He is only 50% at the rim and 20% on 2-point jumpers. Both of those are terrible. He has an absurdly high usage for someone that takes such a high percentage of his shots from behind the 3-point line. He might be capable of more, but he hasn't shown much at the college level. I wouldn't consider drafting him anywhere in the lottery.

Thank you. He reminds me on James Young and his season with Kentucky when he was second- third option and shot most of shots outside arc on low efficiency, drafted 17# , lasted 3 years in nba.
Problem with his game is his floor. He is not really good at anything on offense. I know from draftexpress first scouting reports that they all pointed out that his finishing around hoop will be bad because he has no strenght or balance when he drives, and that is best shown in 50% shooting around rim.

I honestly don't know how he would look like if Zion and RJ don't exist on his roster but it's actually another negative factor in evaluation of him as prospect , as he tried to force himself into their usage, just with terrible results instad of being best version of himself. Guy has whooping 27% usage rate by having 50% TS. Just crazy.

Yeah. I won't dismiss a prospect simply because they can't carve out a leading role on a stacked team in college. There just isn't enough evidence to suggest that Reddish is good at anything in particular though. His per game averages are very respectable for a freshman due to his minutes and usage, but an examination of the context doesn't impress at all.