Future Free Agent Thread

[AingesBurner]

Or trade for Holiday and sign both Morris bros.

Markeiff is a terrible player. If we are signing someone just to fill in minutes at the four, I'd rather it be Thad Young. Better than both and less of a malcontent.

Thats fine.

[AingesBurner]

Or trade for Holiday, sign Morris and Dedmon.

[babyjax13]

Russell is the other guy I love. If we could somehow end up with D'Angelo Russell and Khris Middleton that would be pretty ideal IMO. Not sure how to quite swing it. Might be able to grab Russell if we help Brooklyn open up cap space for Durant. Something like:

Brooklyn trades: DLo, Crabbe
Brooklyn receives: O'neale

Utah trades: O'neale, 1st
Utah receives: DLo

Team C receives: Crabbe, 1st

Then send Favors to Milwaukee in a sign and trade for Middleton and (hopefully) use the MLE on Thad.

Russell/Mitchell/Middleton/Young/Gobert

Not likely, but would be cool.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Do you think that the Bucks have a priority in re-signing Middleton?

If they do (and if they want to they will), they'll put themselves in a financial bind after signing him and Bledsoe or another starting level PG. They would still need to re-sign Brogdan and Lopez, or replace with them starting level SG and C, and they won't be able to offer them big bucks without going deep into the luxury tax.

BTW, here is the stat comparison for Brogdan and Middleton this year http://bkref.com/tiny/7wQ80 Like I said, Brogdan is undervalued. Give him Rubio's usage and the Jazz score several more points a game. Give him more shots, which he would probably get, and he could easily score high teens, but plays both ends of the floor.

[SoCalJazzFan]

One thing we really don't talk about is how Crowder hasn't really been very good for the Jazz. It seems like he is doing well as he brings an offensive threat and energy when he comes in for Favors, but he really hasn't been that great. If you were to upgrade the PF position, at least offensively, with Mirotic or Marcus Morris, and have Jae play a true backup role, the Jazz would be a lot better.

Couple that with improvement in the PG position, and the team overall should become quite a bit better.

I wouldn't expect star quality level players coming to Utah this summer, but the above improvements are realistic.

[AingesBurner]

I’d be happy with Jrue, Morris, and Dedmon.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I’d be happy with Jrue, Morris, and Dedmon.

Jrue could be amazing with DM, but I don't think that the Pels are trading him.

Moreover, I don't think that the Jazz could afford to acquire all of those players. The backup center will have to either be a combo PF/C, like Mirotic, or a vet min player.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Royce has been great lately. He has Danny Green potential... if he understands that this is what his role needs to be.

Quin needs to yell at Royce the way Pop yelled at Green

I'm not sure that he can be as good of a shooter as Green... but yah... at least a poor man's Danny Green.

I like Royce, but he is not an answer to anything but hopefully a good 3&D backup.

[AingesBurner]

I’d be happy with Jrue, Morris, and Dedmon.

Jrue could be amazing with DM, but I don't think that the Pels are trading him.

Moreover, I don't think that the Jazz could afford to acquire all of those players. The backup center will have to either be a combo PF/C, like Mirotic, or a vet min player.

A man can dream!

[Daddy 801]

I don't necessarily disagree about the choice between Favors or Randle for this team, even though I think Favors is a much better player in a vacuum. I don't know. I guess I'm having a hard time imagining Randle in our system. Where do you see him getting his touches? What is the offense that we will run that will allow him to shine offensively? He is not any bigger threat from 3 than Favors, so him spacing out and attacking closeouts is dubious at the very least. You can probably run some PnRs with him and let him playmake off the roll or attack like the bull in china shop that he is(this is a compliment) ... but again... you have Gobert, who might be the best rolling big in the NBA, why would you EVER run a PnR with anyone else when Gobert is on the floor? That's pretty much why Favors' role is reduced to staying in the corner when Gobert is on the floor now. Do you think we will feed him balls in the post? Or iso him? What's his TS% on postups and isos? I just have real hard time imagining how we will utilize him? Can we run some PnR with him as a ballhandler? This one might be intriguing... I remember we were experimenting with this one with Lyles in SL. Might be intriguing, but then again... he cannot shoot so... kind of defeats the purpose.

This might very well be failure of my imagination, but the more I think about it, the more I feel like I would rather have Favors not only in a vacuum, but for our specific team too.

I've been watching the Pelicans quite a bit lately, most for Jrue and Frank, but Randle has really caught my eye. Most of his offense comes from inside the paint, but a lot of it starts off the dribble from the perimeter. You can leave him open from outside, but he'll just put the ball on the floor and run over you inside the paint. It's sort of like Exum, except that he can actually score at the hoop once he gets there. By no means is it a perfect fit, but his bull in a china shop is just so damn effective. I think he'd help us.

Gentry runs some good stuff, and he has similarities with Quin. When teams are sagging of Randle from the perimeter, they just give it to him on a running start. The defender is often flat footed and has no chance of stopping Randle with a head of steam. Quin likes those running starts too. I think Randle would be very dangerous attacking from the weak side after swinging the ball. If you let him get an angle, you are toast. I like that he's left handed too, Quin is great at giving our guys opportunities to attack with their dominant hand.

And again, he is by no means a finished product. I wouldn't expect him to be more than what he is right now...but it's not out of the realm of possibility that Quin and co are able to coach him up to be a smarter player or develop a jump shot. He's got some real upside.

Is he active off ball? And can he come to the top of the key and get a handoff from Rudy and attack the rim? Because if he can do those two things, and he can attack on a closeout, he would be better in the system than Favs.

[CAE15]

Russell will get a max and i imagine nets match. Middleton having a down year could definitely open us up to him. But the dreams of adding 2 of these players means trading the likes of Jae, Exum and Ingles. While renouncing all our expirings.

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[Daddy 801]

Do you think that the Bucks have a priority in re-signing Middleton?

If they do (and if they want to they will), they'll put themselves in a financial bind after signing him and Bledsoe or another starting level PG. They would still need to re-sign Brogdan and Lopez, or replace with them starting level SG and C, and they won't be able to offer them big bucks without going deep into the luxury tax.

BTW, here is the stat comparison for Brogdan and Middleton this year http://bkref.com/tiny/7wQ80 Like I said, Brogdan is undervalued. Give him Rubio's usage and the Jazz score several more points a game. Give him more shots, which he would probably get, and he could easily score high teens, but plays both ends of the floor.

I would have to really scout him more to make sure he wasn’t just benefitting being next to the Greek. But those stats are encouraging. He is a free agent. He has size and is a good age. I could really see him being a target for the Jazz if Donny at the 1 is a thing next year. Good find.

Edit- Plus he is supposedly a high character guy and he is in Buds system which is similar to Quins so we know he can play in that type of system. The more I look, the more I like this. Plus I bet he could be had on a reasonable contract if we’re knocking on his door at midnight during free agency.

[sipclip]

Bobby Portis should be our top target. He is restricted but with Walls contract kicking in I think they would have a hard time matching big dollars for him. I would have no problem offering him 4yrs 75-80 mil.

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[SoCalJazzFan]

Bobby Portis should be our top target. He is restricted but with Walls contract kicking in I think they would have a hard time matching big dollars for him. I would have no problem offering him 4yrs 75-80 mil.

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I like Portis' potential, and you might be right about the Wiz being unable to match too much, although they did essentially give up OP for Porter.

The Jazz have the daunting task of finding the next Tobias Harris before he becomes "Tobias Harris" of this past season or so, or stealing a known commodity from a team that can't afford the player.

[KqWIN]

Bobby Portis should be our top target. He is restricted but with Walls contract kicking in I think they would have a hard time matching big dollars for him. I would have no problem offering him 4yrs 75-80 mil.

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I like Portis' potential, and you might be right about the Wiz being unable to match too much, although they did essentially give up OP for Porter.

The Jazz have the daunting task of finding the next Tobias Harris before he becomes "Tobias Harris" of this past season or so, or stealing a known commodity from a team that can't afford the player.

That is why I can’t get behind resigning Rubio and Favors this summer. If we keep them, we’re not a bad team and probably a better team than most of the other options. But there is no potential with Rubio and Favors. We know what we are with them and it’s limited.

You have to make some upside plays and find the player who is undervalued and can improve. You can’t do that if you spend all your money bidding against yourselves for your own players.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Bobby Portis should be our top target. He is restricted but with Walls contract kicking in I think they would have a hard time matching big dollars for him. I would have no problem offering him 4yrs 75-80 mil.

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I like Portis' potential, and you might be right about the Wiz being unable to match too much, although they did essentially give up OP for Porter.

The Jazz have the daunting task of finding the next Tobias Harris before he becomes "Tobias Harris" of this past season or so, or stealing a known commodity from a team that can't afford the player.

That is why I can’t get behind resigning Rubio and Favors this summer. If we keep them, we’re not a bad team and probably a better team than most of the other options. But there is no potential with Rubio and Favors. We know what we are with them and it’s limited.

You have to make some upside plays and find the player who is undervalued and can improve. You can’t do that if you spend all your money bidding against yourselves for your own players.

It's why I wouldn't mind the Jazz swinging for the fences during the draft if they don't have a sure thing, a la Gobert and the missed opportunity in Giannis (to be fair 12 other teams whiffed too). Their mantra appears to be finding solid players that can handle, pass and shoot, but that yields a Grayson Allen, when there are a lot of those guys you can get with vet minimum deals every year, so there really isn't a need to draft one.

[KqWIN]

I like Portis' potential, and you might be right about the Wiz being unable to match too much, although they did essentially give up OP for Porter.

The Jazz have the daunting task of finding the next Tobias Harris before he becomes "Tobias Harris" of this past season or so, or stealing a known commodity from a team that can't afford the player.

That is why I can’t get behind resigning Rubio and Favors this summer. If we keep them, we’re not a bad team and probably a better team than most of the other options. But there is no potential with Rubio and Favors. We know what we are with them and it’s limited.

You have to make some upside plays and find the player who is undervalued and can improve. You can’t do that if you spend all your money bidding against yourselves for your own players.

It's why I wouldn't mind the Jazz swinging for the fences during the draft if they don't have a sure thing, a la Gobert and the missed opportunity in Giannis (to be fair 12 other teams whiffed too). Their mantra appears to be finding solid players that can handle, pass and shoot, but that yields a Grayson Allen, when there are a lot of those guys you can get with vet minimum deals every year, so there really isn't a need to draft one.

In other words, draft better. I don’t think potential is restricted to guys with long arms, athleticism, or even youth. It seems that there are just as many draft steals that are older, fat, and/or undersized.

[stitches]

Will Bogdan Bogdanovic be restricted FA in 2020? Or UFA?

[KqWIN]

Will Bogdan Bogdanovic be restricted FA in 2020? Or UFA?

Restricted according to ESPN.

[Inigo Montoya]

In other words, draft better.

In additional other word(s): Draft.

Sorry for the cliche but you can't win a lottery if you don't buy a ticket. We keep giving away our 2nd round picks instead of casting as wide a net as possible. Yes, it's not easy to find great players in the second round, but there are a few every season and instead of trying to find them, we give away our picks and don't even try. I really don't like this about DL.