2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (III)

[Duke4life831]

What if I told you Mitchell Robinson is the Best shot blocker out of any rookie and of one the best all time to enter the NBA.

At this point that's a statistical fact. Manute Bol is the only person to ever have a double digit block percentage and Mitch is at 9.9 right now. If you add in his 1.8 steal percentage it gets even crazier because a 1.5+ steal percentage is rare for a big.

Very limited minutes but Robert Williams has a BLK% of 14.3% and a STL% of 1.4%. Again limited minutes but when hes on the court its ridiculous how many blocked shots he gets.

Some athletic freak bigs late in this past draft.

[gh123]

Dude, Bosh is literally best case scenario for Bagley. If every athletic big could learn "skillz" Drummond would be Hakeem.

[mixerball]

trae will easily be an all star. how can anyone not see that

Funny enough that nobody even mentioned, who will or won’t be all star. We were talking about last month stats, comparing players at the moment. And what even means to be all star? Not much.

it was straight up mentioned. just stop it bob.
all star means certain quality level of a player. we all know what it means. stop it bob.

[whatever_]

Bird was 6-10. What's athletic for him and Luka is different.

Luka is a decent athlete, but a below average athlete, especially right now since he's built like a regular teen. Once he gets in shape he'll probably be a good athlete. He's not really quick, not at all fast, but he has good size and great strength for his age.

Athletically Luka is kinda like Paul Pierce.

Calling him a below average athlete is ridiculous. No below average athlete would be able to do what he's doing right now against the best players in the world. I do agree with your larger point that once he gets after it with professional trainers that he'll improve quite a bit. I mean he's never going to be Lebron or MJ athletically... but he's plenty quick and agile, esp considering his size. I disagree that he's not quick, he's deceptively quick and can stop on a dime.

Also - Bird was 6'9" and more slight than Luka... the size difference isn't that much.

There's been plenty of unathletic players to dominate in the NBA. Luka isn't the first and won't be the last. I mean Jokic is built like a grandfather and slow as molasses. Turns out being good at basketball doesn't require you being a super athlete.

Anyone watching Luka and thinking anything but his strength is above average athletically is blind. He's quick but it's the NBA most guys are, his handles separate him from the pack not his quickness. Kyrie is the same way. Look at someone like D. Rose and they blow by people with their first step, that's quickness. Luka is like Paul Pierce where he uses his change of pace and handle to beat guys not quickness.

And Bird was 6-9 barefoot, 6-10 NBA height (aka in shoes). He was slight but it was the 80s (the average NBA player is like 20 pounds heavier now than in 1980) and he was able to make plays Luka can only dream of.

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The myth that he was unathletic needs to go somewhere Bird wasn't a super athlete but he was definitely above average.

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[Goon]

Bird was 6-10. What's athletic for him and Luka is different.

Luka is a decent athlete, but a below average athlete, especially right now since he's built like a regular teen. Once he gets in shape he'll probably be a good athlete. He's not really quick, not at all fast, but he has good size and great strength for his age.

Athletically Luka is kinda like Paul Pierce.

While he doesn't have a great first step, he is fast when he gets it going, visible in the open court with the ball in his hands and he has great deceleration. He also has great body control and is highly coordinated. So overall I really don't agree he is below average.

[Johnny Firpo]

Also you literally just said the other day I implied Luka wasn't good by saying he'd find defense in the NBA tougher if the rules didn't restrict defense (which is literally true for everyone in the league) so its funny to me you're separating yourself from the Lukastans when you're just as bad as them.

Nonsense, part 2. Your post kind of read that way, you did not clarify what you meant. You could have easily said/implied that it would be tougher for him than others, an he could not overcome because he is simply not good enough, or his skillset isn't good enough to play in a tougher era.

[gh123]

Btw, I love Mitch, the dude will be multiple DPOY. Got Olowokandi hands, but he can work on that, as well as his positioning on offense and just being assertive, rolling to the rim hard and using his body, getting the contact.

[Bob8]

trae will easily be an all star. how can anyone not see that

Funny enough that nobody even mentioned, who will or won’t be all star. We were talking about last month stats, comparing players at the moment. And what even means to be all star? Not much.

it was straight up mentioned. just stop it bob.
all star means certain quality level of a player. we all know what it means. stop it bob.

A person, I was talking with for sure didn’t mention how Trae will be an all star. I won’t look back, but I’m almost certain that only you mentioned Trae and All Star in the same sentence yesterday. The conversation was about comparing Trae’s and Luka’s current stats and mine only objective was, that we should compare advanced stats to see objectively, where players are at the moment. Not someday in the future, where they both will probably be an All Star but at the moment or more precisely last month. That’s why, you intervention how anyone cannot see, Trae will be easily an all star doesn’t belong here. And if I may, it’s normal that not everyone see the things the same. That’s why we have GM forum in the first place. To have discussion about things we don’t necessarily agree. Not to nod each other about everything we write. Unfortunately there’re many writers, who believe everyone should think the same and discussion is a bad thing. If I believe that advanced stats are showing Trae is below average starter at the moment , you should convince me with arguments other wise. Saying how anybody must see he’s all star won’t do. Because we’re talking about present time and he obviously is not even close and secondly, your believe is not enough in a discussion like that.

About how being All Star participants define quality of a player. Multiple appearances shows some qualities for sure, being an all star once, especially in the east doesn’t mean much. Just look the list with players being an all star once. But to finish, we weren’t talking about Trae being future all star or not. Hawks fan was trying to show how Trae is playing better lately and he made comparison with Luka to show that. (If he had showed only Trae’s trend, I wouldn’t have written anything.) I said, we should compare their advanced stats too and that his advanced stats are nowhere near to Luka at the moment. I believe we were both right, but I wouldn’t mind, if you give me the reasons, why I was wrong. The reasons is not your believe how Trae is obviously future All Star.

[E-Balla]

Also you literally just said the other day I implied Luka wasn't good by saying he'd find defense in the NBA tougher if the rules didn't restrict defense (which is literally true for everyone in the league) so its funny to me you're separating yourself from the Lukastans when you're just as bad as them.

Nonsense, part 2. Your post kind of read that way, you did not clarify what you meant. You could have easily said/implied that it would be tougher for him than others, an he could not overcome because he is simply not good enough, or his skillset isn't good enough to play in a tougher era.

It only read that way to Lukastans that look for anything to add to that chip on their shoulder.

[Johnny Firpo]

It only read that way to Lukastans that look for anything to add to that chip on their shoulder.

Yeah, no, you simply have an agenda, good luck with it.

[E-Balla]

It only read that way to Lukastans that look for anything to add to that chip on their shoulder.

Yeah, no, you simply have an agenda, good luck with it.

You quoted me. Both times. But yeah I have the agenda. You can't deny what I said about you was a fact. In a thread about him saying NBA defenses are easy you claimed I said he sucked because I said he was right.

[Buzzard]

Funny enough that nobody even mentioned, who will or won’t be all star. We were talking about last month stats, comparing players at the moment. And what even means to be all star? Not much.

it was straight up mentioned. just stop it bob.
all star means certain quality level of a player. we all know what it means. stop it bob.

A person, I was talking with for sure didn’t mention how Trae will be an all star. I won’t look back, but I’m almost certain that only you mentioned Trae and All Star in the same sentence yesterday. The conversation was about comparing Trae’s and Luka’s current stats and mine only objective was, that we should compare advanced stats to see objectively, where players are at the moment. Not someday in the future, where they both will probably be an All Star but at the moment or more precisely last month. That’s why, you intervention how anyone cannot see, Trae will be easily an all star doesn’t belong here. And if I may, it’s normal that not everyone see the things the same. That’s why we have GM forum in the first place. To have discussion about things we don’t necessarily agree. Not to nod each other about everything we write. Unfortunately there’re many writers, who believe everyone should think the same and discussion is a bad thing. If I believe that advanced stats are showing Trae is below average starter at the moment , you should convince me with arguments other wise. Saying how anybody must see he’s all star won’t do. Because we’re talking about present time and he obviously is not even close and secondly, your believe is not enough in a discussion like that.

About how being All Star participants define quality of a player. Multiple appearances shows some qualities for sure, being an all star once, especially in the east doesn’t mean much. Just look the list with players being an all star once. But to finish, we weren’t talking about Trae being future all star or not. Hawks fan was trying to show how Trae is playing better lately and he made comparison with Luka to show that. (If he had showed only Trae’s trend, I wouldn’t have written anything.) I said, we should compare their advanced stats too and that his advanced stats are nowhere near to Luka at the moment. I believe we were both right, but I wouldn’t mind, if you give me the reasons, why I was wrong. The reasons is not your believe how Trae is obviously future All Star.

Bob just stop it. I was trying to show how efficient both players have been since December. After last nights game and Doncic's last triple double when he shot 25% from the field and 20% from three to get his: even you must be worried about Doncic's shooting.

From a efficiency stand point, it is not even a debate. Trae has been winning hands down since January 1st and in December they were neck and neck. Lets see if Doncic continues being a volume scorer the rest of the season and if Trae continues shooting in the .440 range along with .800 from the FT line. A little tidbit of trivia for you:

Trae is tied for 3rd all time now for rookies with games of 20 points and 10 assist. Here is the list:
1-CP3 10 of them.
2-Steph Curry and Stevie Francis tied with 8
3- Trae and Ben Simmons tied with 7.
Trae is almost a lock that he moves past Steph and Stevie' and he may just steal the record from CP3.

Efficiency Bob is all I am talking about. If you want to talk about how great Doncic's advanced stats are, even though for the past six weeks he has been getting them in a inefficient manner, enjoy yourself my friend.

[Johnny Firpo]

You quoted me. Both times. But yeah I have the agenda. You can't deny what I said about you was a fact. In a thread about him saying NBA defenses are easy you claimed I said he sucked because I said he was right.

You said bring back the old rules and Luka will change his opinion, didn't you? How does that say he was right?

[mixerball]

Funny enough that nobody even mentioned, who will or won’t be all star. We were talking about last month stats, comparing players at the moment. And what even means to be all star? Not much.

it was straight up mentioned. just stop it bob.
all star means certain quality level of a player. we all know what it means. stop it bob.

A person, I was talking with for sure didn’t mention how Trae will be an all star. I won’t look back, but I’m almost certain that only you mentioned Trae and All Star in the same sentence yesterday.

didnt i say "just stop it"
you are definition of a lukastan

Last 30 Day stats are staying consistent:
Luka:
23.3 PTS, 8.2 REB, 6.9 AST, 2.9 TO, .427 FG%, .700 FT%, .304 3PT%
Trae:
20.6 PTS, 4.2 REB, 8.1 AST, 3.7 TO, .453 FG%, .816 FT%, .366 3PT%

TS% for January and February.
Luka:
.530 and .551
Trae:
.577 and .551

eFG% for January and February.
Luka:
49.2 and 51.3
Trae:
51.8 and 50.5

I understand Luka will win the ROY; but some of you are tripping if you don't think Trae has future all-star written all over him.

Nobody is denying that Trae is playing very well lately, but it’s interesting how you’re using raw stats and shooting % and is in total denial of advanced stats.

Trae vs. Luka

BPM -3.2 vs. 3.9
OBPM 0.00 vs. 3.0
DBPM -3.2. vs O.9
VORP -0.5 vs. 2.6
ORTG 102, DRTG 117 vs. ORTG 109, DRTG 108
RPM -3.27 vs 2.64
ORPM 1.08 vs 3.04
DRPM -4.35 vs. -0.4
WINS -0.16 vs. 6.12

The difference in advanced stats is brutal. That’s the difference between top30 player and below average starter. Nobody knows what will future bring, but if you want to show with raw stats how near is Trae to Luka at the moment, it’s obvious you’re totally wrong.

[E-Balla]

You quoted me. Both times. But yeah I have the agenda. You can't deny what I said about you was a fact. In a thread about him saying NBA defenses are easy you claimed I said he sucked because I said he was right.

You said bring back the old rules and Luka will change his opinion, didn't you? How does that say he was right?

First off I made 2 posts back to back. The first post said he was right because the rules weaken defense. Secondly, how is saying that he wouldn't hold that opinion if they switched the rules a slight on him? No **** if defenses were tougher he wouldn't think they were easy. Wow such an insult!

[kg01]

Luka's great!

No, Trae's great!

[Bob8]

it was straight up mentioned. just stop it bob.
all star means certain quality level of a player. we all know what it means. stop it bob.

A person, I was talking with for sure didn’t mention how Trae will be an all star. I won’t look back, but I’m almost certain that only you mentioned Trae and All Star in the same sentence yesterday. The conversation was about comparing Trae’s and Luka’s current stats and mine only objective was, that we should compare advanced stats to see objectively, where players are at the moment. Not someday in the future, where they both will probably be an All Star but at the moment or more precisely last month. That’s why, you intervention how anyone cannot see, Trae will be easily an all star doesn’t belong here. And if I may, it’s normal that not everyone see the things the same. That’s why we have GM forum in the first place. To have discussion about things we don’t necessarily agree. Not to nod each other about everything we write. Unfortunately there’re many writers, who believe everyone should think the same and discussion is a bad thing. If I believe that advanced stats are showing Trae is below average starter at the moment , you should convince me with arguments other wise. Saying how anybody must see he’s all star won’t do. Because we’re talking about present time and he obviously is not even close and secondly, your believe is not enough in a discussion like that.

About how being All Star participants define quality of a player. Multiple appearances shows some qualities for sure, being an all star once, especially in the east doesn’t mean much. Just look the list with players being an all star once. But to finish, we weren’t talking about Trae being future all star or not. Hawks fan was trying to show how Trae is playing better lately and he made comparison with Luka to show that. (If he had showed only Trae’s trend, I wouldn’t have written anything.) I said, we should compare their advanced stats too and that his advanced stats are nowhere near to Luka at the moment. I believe we were both right, but I wouldn’t mind, if you give me the reasons, why I was wrong. The reasons is not your believe how Trae is obviously future All Star.

Bob just stop it. I was trying to show how efficient both players have been since December. After last nights game and Doncic's last triple double when he shot 25% from the field and 20% from three to get his: even you must be worried about Doncic's shooting.

From a efficiency stand point, it is not even a debate. Trae has been winning hands down since January 1st and in December they were neck and neck. Lets see if Doncic continues being a volume scorer the rest of the season and if Trae continues shooting in the .440 range along with .800 from the FT line. A little tidbit of trivia for you:

Trae is tied for 3rd all time now for rookies with games of 20 points and 10 assist. Here is the list:
1-CP3 10 of them.
2-Steph Curry and Stevie Francis tied with 8
3- Trae and Ben Simmons tied with 7.
Trae is almost a lock that he moves past Steph and Stevie' and he may just steal the record from CP3.

Efficiency Bob is all I am talking about. If you want to talk about how great Doncic's advanced stats are, even though for the past six weeks he has been getting them in a inefficient manner, enjoy yourself my friend.

What’s wrong with you people? I finished conversation with you yesterday, saying that we will see what will bring next year. I understand only thing important to you is efficiency in last 30 days and advanced stats are bull. Last post was meant to another user.

[Bob8]

it was straight up mentioned. just stop it bob.
all star means certain quality level of a player. we all know what it means. stop it bob.

A person, I was talking with for sure didn’t mention how Trae will be an all star. I won’t look back, but I’m almost certain that only you mentioned Trae and All Star in the same sentence yesterday.

didnt i say "just stop it"
you are definition of a lukastan

Last 30 Day stats are staying consistent:
Luka:
23.3 PTS, 8.2 REB, 6.9 AST, 2.9 TO, .427 FG%, .700 FT%, .304 3PT%
Trae:
20.6 PTS, 4.2 REB, 8.1 AST, 3.7 TO, .453 FG%, .816 FT%, .366 3PT%

TS% for January and February.
Luka:
.530 and .551
Trae:
.577 and .551

eFG% for January and February.
Luka:
49.2 and 51.3
Trae:
51.8 and 50.5

I understand Luka will win the ROY; but some of you are tripping if you don't think Trae has future all-star written all over him.

Nobody is denying that Trae is playing very well lately, but it’s interesting how you’re using raw stats and shooting % and is in total denial of advanced stats.

Trae vs. Luka

BPM -3.2 vs. 3.9
OBPM 0.00 vs. 3.0
DBPM -3.2. vs O.9
VORP -0.5 vs. 2.6
ORTG 102, DRTG 117 vs. ORTG 109, DRTG 108
RPM -3.27 vs 2.64
ORPM 1.08 vs 3.04
DRPM -4.35 vs. -0.4
WINS -0.16 vs. 6.12

The difference in advanced stats is brutal. That’s the difference between top30 player and below average starter. Nobody knows what will future bring, but if you want to show with raw stats how near is Trae to Luka at the moment, it’s obvious you’re totally wrong.

You can say and believe whatever you want. But if you believe that I will listen to you...
Thanks for calling me stan.

[Buzzard]

A person, I was talking with for sure didn’t mention how Trae will be an all star. I won’t look back, but I’m almost certain that only you mentioned Trae and All Star in the same sentence yesterday. The conversation was about comparing Trae’s and Luka’s current stats and mine only objective was, that we should compare advanced stats to see objectively, where players are at the moment. Not someday in the future, where they both will probably be an All Star but at the moment or more precisely last month. That’s why, you intervention how anyone cannot see, Trae will be easily an all star doesn’t belong here. And if I may, it’s normal that not everyone see the things the same. That’s why we have GM forum in the first place. To have discussion about things we don’t necessarily agree. Not to nod each other about everything we write. Unfortunately there’re many writers, who believe everyone should think the same and discussion is a bad thing. If I believe that advanced stats are showing Trae is below average starter at the moment , you should convince me with arguments other wise. Saying how anybody must see he’s all star won’t do. Because we’re talking about present time and he obviously is not even close and secondly, your believe is not enough in a discussion like that.

About how being All Star participants define quality of a player. Multiple appearances shows some qualities for sure, being an all star once, especially in the east doesn’t mean much. Just look the list with players being an all star once. But to finish, we weren’t talking about Trae being future all star or not. Hawks fan was trying to show how Trae is playing better lately and he made comparison with Luka to show that. (If he had showed only Trae’s trend, I wouldn’t have written anything.) I said, we should compare their advanced stats too and that his advanced stats are nowhere near to Luka at the moment. I believe we were both right, but I wouldn’t mind, if you give me the reasons, why I was wrong. The reasons is not your believe how Trae is obviously future All Star.

Bob just stop it. I was trying to show how efficient both players have been since December. After last nights game and Doncic's last triple double when he shot 25% from the field and 20% from three to get his: even you must be worried about Doncic's shooting.

From a efficiency stand point, it is not even a debate. Trae has been winning hands down since January 1st and in December they were neck and neck. Lets see if Doncic continues being a volume scorer the rest of the season and if Trae continues shooting in the .440 range along with .800 from the FT line. A little tidbit of trivia for you:

Trae is tied for 3rd all time now for rookies with games of 20 points and 10 assist. Here is the list:
1-CP3 10 of them.
2-Steph Curry and Stevie Francis tied with 8
3- Trae and Ben Simmons tied with 7.
Trae is almost a lock that he moves past Steph and Stevie' and he may just steal the record from CP3.

Efficiency Bob is all I am talking about. If you want to talk about how great Doncic's advanced stats are, even though for the past six weeks he has been getting them in a inefficient manner, enjoy yourself my friend.

What’s wrong with you people? I finished conversation with you yesterday, saying that we will see what will bring next year. I understand only thing important to you is efficiency in last 30 days and advanced stats are bull. Last post was meant to another user.

It is not the only thing. The scoring and assist along with efficiency is the bright light for Trae. The national media is starting to take notice. Trae had two appearances posted on NBA.Com today. One with The Starters and one with Live in Studio. I am starting to think this ROY race is not a done deal.

[Bob8]

Bob just stop it. I was trying to show how efficient both players have been since December. After last nights game and Doncic's last triple double when he shot 25% from the field and 20% from three to get his: even you must be worried about Doncic's shooting.

From a efficiency stand point, it is not even a debate. Trae has been winning hands down since January 1st and in December they were neck and neck. Lets see if Doncic continues being a volume scorer the rest of the season and if Trae continues shooting in the .440 range along with .800 from the FT line. A little tidbit of trivia for you:

Trae is tied for 3rd all time now for rookies with games of 20 points and 10 assist. Here is the list:
1-CP3 10 of them.
2-Steph Curry and Stevie Francis tied with 8
3- Trae and Ben Simmons tied with 7.
Trae is almost a lock that he moves past Steph and Stevie' and he may just steal the record from CP3.

Efficiency Bob is all I am talking about. If you want to talk about how great Doncic's advanced stats are, even though for the past six weeks he has been getting them in a inefficient manner, enjoy yourself my friend.

What’s wrong with you people? I finished conversation with you yesterday, saying that we will see what will bring next year. I understand only thing important to you is efficiency in last 30 days and advanced stats are bull. Last post was meant to another user.

It is not the only thing. The scoring and assist along with efficiency is the bright light for Trae. The national media is starting to take notice. Trae had two appearances posted on NBA.Com today. One with The Starters and one with Live in Studio. I am starting to think this ROY race is not a done deal.

Not in the east.