GT #57: Wizards @ Pistons 7 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM)

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iv'e felt that way a lot of the time but apparently mahinmi is so trash that it doesnt matter

It DOES matter to the overall good of the team. Morale, effort on defense and keeping hope matter.

Brooks is not a good coach.

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Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

I don't know whether the question is really Bryant vs. Mahinmi -- Even Thomas only got 16.5 minutes last night &, as you say, he should have played more.

The problem is that it seems we absolutely must play Portis/Parker/Johnson heavy minutes. No matter what.

Bobby Portis played C exclusively last night. It's hard for me to see how Bobby would ever defend Andre Drummond effectively, so even though he had a pretty good outing on offense he's still the biggest reason Drummond got 32 points in the amount of PT in which, on average, he scores 18.4 points.

That's just about 14 points above his average. & Detroit scored 15 points above their per-game average. Anyone see any relationships between those numbers?

So, yeah, Mahinmi should have gotten a bunch of minutes at C last night. Instead, he sat.

In addition, Griffin faced little defense. Both Green & Parker were awful last night -- in 28 minutes, Jeff went 1-6, managed a total of 1 rebound, & turned the ball over 4 times! I'm guessing he's still nicked up from last game. As to Jabari, in 20 minutes he went 0-3 from the floor, 0-2 from the line, committed 3 fouls, & turned the ball over twice.

Yet Dekker sat -- for the 3d game in a row.

Brooks is really awful. On top of everything else stupid, he managed to play Beal & old man Ariza 81 minutes in a game we had little chance to win.

On the bright side, Scott Brooks is one of the leaders of our tank attack.

[Ruzious]

It DOES matter to the overall good of the team. Morale, effort on defense and keeping hope matter.

Brooks is not a good coach.

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Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

I don't know whether the question is really Bryant vs. Mahinmi -- Even Thomas only got 16.5 minutes last night &, as you say, he should have played more.

The problem is that it seems we absolutely must play Portis/Parker/Johnson heavy minutes. No matter what.

Bobby Portis played C exclusively last night. It's hard for me to see how Bobby would ever defend Andre Drummond effectively, so even though he had a pretty good outing on offense he's still the biggest reason Drummond got 32 points in the amount of PT in which, on average, he scores 18.4 points.

That's just about 14 points above his average. & Detroit scored 15 points above their per-game average. Anyone see any relationships between those numbers?

So, yeah, Mahinmi should have gotten a bunch of minutes at C last night. Instead, he sat.

In addition, Griffin faced little defense. Both Green & Parker were awful last night -- in 28 minutes, Jeff went 1-6, managed a total of 1 rebound, & turned the ball over 4 times! I'm guessing he's still nicked up from last game. As to Jabari, in 20 minutes he went 0-3 from the floor, 0-2 from the line, committed 3 fouls, & turned the ball over twice.

Yet Dekker sat -- for the 3d game in a row.

Brooks is really awful. On top of everything else stupid, he managed to play Beal & old man Ariza 81 minutes in a game we had little chance to win.

On the bright side, Scott Brooks is one of the leaders of our tank attack.

You really can't make those judgments on Portis vs Drummond without knowing how much Drummond scored on Portis. I think he did a lot of his scoring against Bryant - who he abused several times. And considering Portis was +4 while Bryant was -13, I don't think Portis was a problem last night. There was Absolutely Zero reason to play Mahinmi. He should have sat because he stinks - he's proven that all season if it wasn't already obvious - and he has no future with the Wizards. Your other comments are basically repeating what I said, so they make sense, but your logic on Mahinmi... plech.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

iv'e felt that way a lot of the time but apparently mahinmi is so trash that it doesnt matter

It DOES matter to the overall good of the team. Morale, effort on defense and keeping hope matter.

Brooks is not a good coach.

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Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

My comment has ZERO to do with Ian and another chance.

ENERGY is created when guys get touches and minutes. ENERGY sometimes comes when a guy is motivated from NOT HAVING PLAYED MUCH.

OR, better yet, the guys on the bench root for SOLID HUMAN BEINGS and NICE PEOPLE like Ian Mahinmi. THE DUDE WAS A SPUR FOR A REASON. Play him a minute or two. DAMN, this is not hard.

MORONIC IMO for a coach not to see that EVERYBODY WANTS TO PLAY and EAT. Ian's minutes are TEAM MINUTES.

That is what I'm trying to impress is YOU CANNOT SUCCEED WHEN YOU DO NOT TRY...

worst case? Sit him after 2 minutes and 2 fouls. THIS IS NOT HARD.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

Sounds reasonable to me.

My approach would be token minutes. Reward positive performance with additional minutes

Years ago, Juan Dixon played for the Wizards. One playoff game he scored over 30. Much-maligned Eddie Jordan was coach of the Wizards that game.

COACH EJ led the Wizards to a much better record than either Flip Saunders or this year Scott Brooks; despite EJ having Antonio Daniels and Deshawn Stevenson as his backcourt and many injuries. Arenas, Butler and Antawn Jamison were often out of the lineup. Eddie got the most out of dudes like Ruffin, Songaila, IIRC Cal Booth etc.

Jordan started Javale way back in 2011. He definitely would have utilized Bryant. No way would an all-effort guy like Sam Dekker languish on the bench with DNP-CDs while Ariza logs 40-plus minutes in a loss.

Things that make me name call Scott Brooks....

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I think Eddie Jordan was great as a motivator, but he never figured out defense in the grand scheme of being a basketball coach. Gilbert seemed to really enjoy playing for him.

Why Sam Dekker isn't getting any PT is a mystery. There's no reason to play Ariza 40 minutes and Green close to 30 minutes. They should be seeing what they have in Dekker considering he's played real well when given the chance.

EDDIE WAS A TURRIBLE defensive coach IMO.

A lot of it was his steadfast commitment to the Princeton offense. Pete Carrill and Tom Young were coaches before "Fast Eddie".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Jordan_(basketball)

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After retiring from the NBA in 1984, Jordan was a volunteer assistant at Rutgers University under his former college head coach, and his eventual Wizards' assistant, Tom Young. Jordan followed Young to Old Dominion University as a part-time assistant as before and subsequently obtained an assistant coaching position at Boston College under Jim O'Brien in 1986. He also became an assistant coach at Rutgers in 1988.

Jordan had a really good defensive C, Brendan Haywood. BUT EDDIE SEEMED TO DESPISE B-Wood, IMO. Jordan played Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, and Michael Ruffin a lot at C. Eddie even once employed a frontcourt of Oleksiy Pecherov, Andray Blatche, and Javale McGee when Blatche was the old man of the bunch at like 22 years old.

GILBERT ENJOYED HIM. I think Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler owe their All Star appearances to THE MINUTES and FGAs they both got playing for EJ.

I agree totally with you on this, Ruz.

Jordan was ahead of his time with small ball. AS BAD AS THE CURRENT WIZARDS ARE DEFENSIVELY, they'd have a winning record if EJ coached this VERY SAME ROSTER. Dude is a way better coach than Scotty B IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It DOES matter to the overall good of the team. Morale, effort on defense and keeping hope matter.

Brooks is not a good coach.

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Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

I don't know whether the question is really Bryant vs. Mahinmi -- Even Thomas only got 16.5 minutes last night &, as you say, he should have played more.

The problem is that it seems we absolutely must play Portis/Parker/Johnson heavy minutes. No matter what.

Bobby Portis played C exclusively last night. It's hard for me to see how Bobby would ever defend Andre Drummond effectively, so even though he had a pretty good outing on offense he's still the biggest reason Drummond got 32 points in the amount of PT in which, on average, he scores 18.4 points.

That's just about 14 points above his average. & Detroit scored 15 points above their per-game average. Anyone see any relationships between those numbers?

So, yeah, Mahinmi should have gotten a bunch of minutes at C last night. Instead, he sat.

In addition, Griffin faced little defense. Both Green & Parker were awful last night -- in 28 minutes, Jeff went 1-6, managed a total of 1 rebound, & turned the ball over 4 times! I'm guessing he's still nicked up from last game. As to Jabari, in 20 minutes he went 0-3 from the floor, 0-2 from the line, committed 3 fouls, & turned the ball over twice.

Yet Dekker sat -- for the 3d game in a row.

Brooks is really awful. On top of everything else stupid, he managed to play Beal & old man Ariza 81 minutes in a game we had little chance to win.

On the bright side, Scott Brooks is one of the leaders of our tank attack.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Go, Scotty! Go ...

Drive that tank!

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Was Parker hurt yesterday? He had the heating pad on his back in the pregame and was the 4th substitute in 10 minutes into the game. If he wasn't, then Brooks deciding to not go to him sooner and getting him out of the flow after playing 35 minutes the night before was yet another head-scratcher.

?? What kind of analysis is this?

First off, he was 3d off the bench not 4th. & he came in, as you say, ten minutes into the game -- that's in the normal range for the bench. Starters play most of the first quarter.

Parker went 0-3 -- you think that was caused by something Brooks did?

Well, he also had 5 boards in under 19 minutes, way above his average. Was that also caused by something Brooks did?

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Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

I don't know whether the question is really Bryant vs. Mahinmi -- Even Thomas only got 16.5 minutes last night &, as you say, he should have played more.

The problem is that it seems we absolutely must play Portis/Parker/Johnson heavy minutes. No matter what.

Bobby Portis played C exclusively last night. It's hard for me to see how Bobby would ever defend Andre Drummond effectively, so even though he had a pretty good outing on offense he's still the biggest reason Drummond got 32 points in the amount of PT in which, on average, he scores 18.4 points.

That's just about 14 points above his average. & Detroit scored 15 points above their per-game average. Anyone see any relationships between those numbers?

So, yeah, Mahinmi should have gotten a bunch of minutes at C last night. Instead, he sat.

In addition, Griffin faced little defense. Both Green & Parker were awful last night -- in 28 minutes, Jeff went 1-6, managed a total of 1 rebound, & turned the ball over 4 times! I'm guessing he's still nicked up from last game. As to Jabari, in 20 minutes he went 0-3 from the floor, 0-2 from the line, committed 3 fouls, & turned the ball over twice.

Yet Dekker sat -- for the 3d game in a row.

Brooks is really awful. On top of everything else stupid, he managed to play Beal & old man Ariza 81 minutes in a game we had little chance to win.

On the bright side, Scott Brooks is one of the leaders of our tank attack.

You really can't make those judgments on Portis vs Drummond without knowing how much Drummond scored on Portis. I think he did a lot of his scoring against Bryant - who he abused several times. And considering Portis was +4 while Bryant was -13, I don't think Portis was a problem last night. There was Absolutely Zero reason to play Mahinmi. He should have sat because he stinks - he's proven that all season if it wasn't already obvious - and he has no future with the Wizards. Your other comments are basically repeating what I said, so they make sense, but your logic on Mahinmi... plech.

This is my favorite part of what you wrote, Ruz...

Your other comments are basically repeating what I said, so they make sense

There's probably something to what you wrote. I didn't mean to... what's the phrase?... throw shade... on Bobby Portis. But, Drummond played 36 minutes, & Bryant played just over 16 minutes -- so obviously there are some serious limits on your idea about who he scored against.

Since neither Bryant nor Portis could stop Drummond last night, it seems obvious to me that it would have been a good idea to try Mahinmi. Writing that doesn't make me his fan.

OTOH, probably it wouldn't have worked any better. Drummond just had a great night. He's a 54% 2-pt. shooter & a 54.9% FT shooter, but last night he went 12-18 (67%) on 2's & 8-10 (80%) on FTs. A different defender wouldn't have held down his FT%! He was just on.

I like Bobby Portis, & his good offensive night (which I mentioned) did something to counteract Drummond. Then again, in his 16 minutes Bryant also shot well. & he had 8 boards -- vs. 5 for Bobby in almost twice the minutes.

I assume you were not serious about the +/- remark -- did Jabari play well last night? We were up more in his 20 minutes than in Bobby's 30 minutes.

[Ruzious]

It DOES matter to the overall good of the team. Morale, effort on defense and keeping hope matter.

Brooks is not a good coach.

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Basketball isn't only defense. If the Wiz play Ian, they have to put up with his bad offense, his excessive fouling, and even rebounding Drummond averages twice as many rebounds per 36 minutes (or any amount of minutes) than Ian does. If anything, Bryant should have played more so he could learn something. Ian's 32 - I don't see him as needing another chance.

My comment has ZERO to do with Ian and another chance.

ENERGY is created when guys get touches and minutes. ENERGY sometimes comes when a guy is motivated from NOT HAVING PLAYED MUCH.

OR, better yet, the guys on the bench root for SOLID HUMAN BEINGS and NICE PEOPLE like Ian Mahinmi. THE DUDE WAS A SPUR FOR A REASON. Play him a minute or two. DAMN, this is not hard.

MORONIC IMO for a coach not to see that EVERYBODY WANTS TO PLAY and EAT. Ian's minutes are TEAM MINUTES.

That is what I'm trying to impress is YOU CANNOT SUCCEED WHEN YOU DO NOT TRY...

worst case? Sit him after 2 minutes and 2 fouls. THIS IS NOT HARD.

Correct - this is not hard. This is the NBA... not little league, and we're not playing for certificates of participation. Everyone starves when you play players like Mahinmi - espcially when your 21 year old young center with potential who's already better than the 32 year old - played only 16:30 minutes. A professional player who's 32 gets playing time by earning playing time. I haven't seen any indication that he's earned it.

[Ruzious]

I don't know whether the question is really Bryant vs. Mahinmi -- Even Thomas only got 16.5 minutes last night &, as you say, he should have played more.

The problem is that it seems we absolutely must play Portis/Parker/Johnson heavy minutes. No matter what.

Bobby Portis played C exclusively last night. It's hard for me to see how Bobby would ever defend Andre Drummond effectively, so even though he had a pretty good outing on offense he's still the biggest reason Drummond got 32 points in the amount of PT in which, on average, he scores 18.4 points.

That's just about 14 points above his average. & Detroit scored 15 points above their per-game average. Anyone see any relationships between those numbers?

So, yeah, Mahinmi should have gotten a bunch of minutes at C last night. Instead, he sat.

In addition, Griffin faced little defense. Both Green & Parker were awful last night -- in 28 minutes, Jeff went 1-6, managed a total of 1 rebound, & turned the ball over 4 times! I'm guessing he's still nicked up from last game. As to Jabari, in 20 minutes he went 0-3 from the floor, 0-2 from the line, committed 3 fouls, & turned the ball over twice.

Yet Dekker sat -- for the 3d game in a row.

Brooks is really awful. On top of everything else stupid, he managed to play Beal & old man Ariza 81 minutes in a game we had little chance to win.

On the bright side, Scott Brooks is one of the leaders of our tank attack.

You really can't make those judgments on Portis vs Drummond without knowing how much Drummond scored on Portis. I think he did a lot of his scoring against Bryant - who he abused several times. And considering Portis was +4 while Bryant was -13, I don't think Portis was a problem last night. There was Absolutely Zero reason to play Mahinmi. He should have sat because he stinks - he's proven that all season if it wasn't already obvious - and he has no future with the Wizards. Your other comments are basically repeating what I said, so they make sense, but your logic on Mahinmi... plech.

This is my favorite part of what you wrote, Ruz...

Your other comments are basically repeating what I said, so they make sense

There's probably something to what you wrote. I didn't mean to... what's the phrase?... throw shade... on Bobby Portis. But, Drummond played 36 minutes, & Bryant played just over 16 minutes -- so obviously there are some serious limits on your idea about who he scored against.

Since neither Bryant nor Portis could stop Drummond last night, it seems obvious to me that it would have been a good idea to try Mahinmi. Writing that doesn't make me his fan.

OTOH, probably it wouldn't have worked any better. Drummond just had a great night. He's a 54% 2-pt. shooter & a 54.9% FT shooter, but last night he went 12-18 (67%) on 2's & 8-10 (80%) on FTs. A different defender wouldn't have held down his FT%! He was just on.

I like Bobby Portis, & his good offensive night (which I mentioned) did something to counteract Drummond. Then again, in his 16 minutes Bryant also shot well. & he had 8 boards -- vs. 5 for Bobby in almost twice the minutes.

I assume you were not serious about the +/- remark -- did Jabari play well last night? We were up more in his 20 minutes than in Bobby's 30 minutes.

Pif, it's become apparent that the best part of your posts is your tagline.

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Pif, it's become apparent that the best part of your posts is your tagline.

Oh yeah...? Well, at least I didn't steal it from someone else! But wait a minute....

[Ruzious]

Pif, it's become apparent that the best part of your posts is your tagline.

Oh yeah...? Well, at least I didn't steal it from someone else! But wait a minute....

I approve of that tagline.

Yeah, I'm not knocking your posts - just praising the taglines.