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Post#561 » by Nazrmohamed » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:07 pm

RaptorsLife wrote:I wish people would comparing him to wiggins or empty stat guys

This kid has the mental makeup of a guy wants to kill their opponents every time

There are players who play in flow and look invisible. RJ wants to stand and be great

Went undefeated last year of high school

Beat America in u-19 and won gold for Canada

The only bad thing about RJ is his effiency

He rebounds fantastic for 2 guard, plays defense and can pass. He just needs to pick his spots and better shot selection

Wiggins doesn’t give a damn about basketball


If you wanna compare him generationally and say hes not anything special ok, but idk what people are watching acting like he stinks now. What exactly is an empty stat for a SG. Such an overused phrase now. Kids gotta improve like everyone else except in his case he's gotta improve from the most dominant 2 guard in college basketball. I'd be happy taking my chances.
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Post#562 » by clyde21 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:14 pm

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RaptorsLife wrote:I wish people would comparing him to wiggins or empty stat guys

This kid has the mental makeup of a guy wants to kill their opponents every time

There are players who play in flow and look invisible. RJ wants to stand and be great

Went undefeated last year of high school

Beat America in u-19 and won gold for Canada

The only bad thing about RJ is his effiency

He rebounds fantastic for 2 guard, plays defense and can pass. He just needs to pick his spots and better shot selection

Wiggins doesn’t give a damn about basketball


If you wanna compare him generationally and say hes not anything special ok, but idk what people are watching acting like he stinks now. What exactly is an empty stat for a SG. Such an overused phrase now. Kids gotta improve like everyone else except in his case he's gotta improve from the most dominant 2 guard in college basketball. I'd be happy taking my chances.


people just automatically assume that inefficiency = 'empty stats' but that's not necessarily always the case. he's definitely not as efficient as one would like but I wouldn't classify his numbers as empty by any stretch.

he's actually a better playmaker than given credit for in the half-court. problem is in transition he tends to have tunnel vision and I've seen him waste a bunch of 2v1 ops because he wants to finish the play instead of playing the 2-1 game and getting a better look.

the bigger problem is that he doesn't seem to be a great fit next to other great players (at this point, that could change). so sometimes it feels like his production comes at the expense of the entire team.

but he's definitely gotten underrated IMO. people who don't think he's a legitimate #2 overall pick are not being really fair to him. i'd say he's a better 2nd overall pick than Parker, Ingram and Ball were.
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Post#563 » by doordoor123 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:44 am

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RaptorsLife wrote:I wish people would comparing him to wiggins or empty stat guys

This kid has the mental makeup of a guy wants to kill their opponents every time

There are players who play in flow and look invisible. RJ wants to stand and be great

Went undefeated last year of high school

Beat America in u-19 and won gold for Canada

The only bad thing about RJ is his effiency

He rebounds fantastic for 2 guard, plays defense and can pass. He just needs to pick his spots and better shot selection

Wiggins doesn’t give a damn about basketball


If you wanna compare him generationally and say hes not anything special ok, but idk what people are watching acting like he stinks now. What exactly is an empty stat for a SG. Such an overused phrase now. Kids gotta improve like everyone else except in his case he's gotta improve from the most dominant 2 guard in college basketball. I'd be happy taking my chances.


people just automatically assume that inefficiency = 'empty stats' but that's not necessarily always the case. he's definitely not as efficient as one would like but I wouldn't classify his numbers as empty by any stretch.

he's actually a better playmaker than given credit for in the half-court. problem is in transition he tends to have tunnel vision and I've seen him waste a bunch of 2v1 ops because he wants to finish the play instead of playing the 2-1 game and getting a better look.

the bigger problem is that he doesn't seem to be a great fit next to other great players (at this point, that could change). so sometimes it feels like his production comes at the expense of the entire team.

but he's definitely gotten underrated IMO. people who don't think he's a legitimate #2 overall pick are not being really fair to him. i'd say he's a better 2nd overall pick than Parker, Ingram and Ball were.


Other than Ball, I agree with everything here. Ball hasn’t lived up to his draft position, but man he was such a good prospect. Literally carried his team with how good his passing was and his 3-point shot was actually working. Ball and Fultz were 1A and 1B to me. I did see Tatum being better in the NBA, but man he’s much better in the NBA. I didnt foresee Jackson being as bad as hes been, but he’s getting better. He and Ingram are two I’ve learned from in recent years.

But yeah, Barrett has great tools and his skills are an outlier which tends to translate in one way or another. I’d love to see an NBA coach get their hands on him and have him compete against NBA guys.
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Post#564 » by EvanZ » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:11 am

Barrett will be a better shooter than Josh Jackson, I have no doubt about that. I am fairly confident he will be a better 3pt shooter than Jaylen Brown. But more than that, I'm really not confident.
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Post#565 » by Nazrmohamed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:53 pm

EvanZ wrote:Barrett will be a better shooter than Josh Jackson, I have no doubt about that. I am fairly confident he will be a better 3pt shooter than Jaylen Brown. But more than that, I'm really not confident.


Wtf happened to Josh Jackson, this guy was supposed to be the next Scottie Pippen to alot of scouts. Athletic, could handle the ball, great court vision. I dont really watch alot of Suns games to know what's going on but it's really a shame.

As far as RJ again, I actually feel like his potential is lower than what I thought Jacksons was, which isnt a ringing endorsement but then again. I thought Jackson would be so much better. Were there warning signs?
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Post#566 » by clyde21 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:21 pm

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EvanZ wrote:Barrett will be a better shooter than Josh Jackson, I have no doubt about that. I am fairly confident he will be a better 3pt shooter than Jaylen Brown. But more than that, I'm really not confident.


Wtf happened to Josh Jackson, this guy was supposed to be the next Scottie Pippen to alot of scouts. Athletic, could handle the ball, great court vision. I dont really watch alot of Suns games to know what's going on but it's really a shame.

As far as RJ again, I actually feel like his potential is lower than what I thought Jacksons was, which isnt a ringing endorsement but then again. I thought Jackson would be so much better. Were there warning signs?


yea I'm with you on Josh Jackson. I was huge on him coming in (had him ranked 2nd overall IIRC)...had the requisite physical profile, good defensive presence, strong motor, and showed enough offensively where you thought he'd keep improving in that department.

not really sure what happened. he just hasn't been able to connect all the dots yet. decision making isn't where it should be and his reaction time to what's going on around him is often times late.

still believe he's better than what's he showed, but I think we have to be realistic on his ceiling at this point.
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Post#567 » by EvanZ » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:01 pm

Nazrmohamed wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Barrett will be a better shooter than Josh Jackson, I have no doubt about that. I am fairly confident he will be a better 3pt shooter than Jaylen Brown. But more than that, I'm really not confident.


Wtf happened to Josh Jackson, this guy was supposed to be the next Scottie Pippen to alot of scouts. Athletic, could handle the ball, great court vision. I dont really watch alot of Suns games to know what's going on but it's really a shame.

As far as RJ again, I actually feel like his potential is lower than what I thought Jacksons was, which isnt a ringing endorsement but then again. I thought Jackson would be so much better. Were there warning signs?


The dude shot 56% on free throws (and not a small sample). So yeah, there were warning signs. He's just not a good shooter.
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Post#568 » by VanWest82 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:43 am

I would be terrified to draft this guy. He just doesn't play winning basketball.
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Post#569 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:03 am

Tonight was really rough for him
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Post#570 » by bennjuiced34 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:09 am

Stop. ****. Forcing. Your. Shots.

Legit pisses me off. Like he has this chip on his shoulder he needs to prove every game.

This alpha dog bull is selfish and has to stop.

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Post#571 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:30 am

bennjuiced34 wrote:Stop. ****. Forcing. Your. Shots.

Legit pisses me off. Like he has this chip on his shoulder he needs to prove every game.

This alpha dog bull is selfish and has to stop.

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gotta be honest, it must be tough for him playing next to a phenom like Zion who's getting so much attention. i kind of get it. he is used to getting ALL the praise and then he's thrust into playing next to a god tier prospect like Zion and I think he's out trying to prove himself a little too hard.

i legit think he would've looked MUCH better had he went to his own school, but part of the NBA today is learning how to play with other stars, so this could be a good thing for him in the long run. We'll see.
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Post#572 » by bennjuiced34 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:43 am

clyde21 wrote:
bennjuiced34 wrote:Stop. ****. Forcing. Your. Shots.

Legit pisses me off. Like he has this chip on his shoulder he needs to prove every game.

This alpha dog bull is selfish and has to stop.

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gotta be honest, it must be tough for him playing next to a phenom like Zion who's getting so much attention. i kind of get it. he is used to getting ALL the praise and then he's thrust into playing next to a god tier prospect like Zion and I think he's out trying to prove himself a little too hard.

i legit think he would've looked MUCH better had he went to his own school, but part of the NBA today is learning how to play with other stars, so this could be a good thing for him in the long run. We'll see.
That's fair. Though Reddish hasn't had that issue adapting. In fact he's been a lot more passive.

Always interesting to see how young guys play with others. Barrett would rather get his than make a winning play. That's a major evaluation red flag for me.

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Post#573 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:11 am

bennjuiced34 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
bennjuiced34 wrote:Stop. ****. Forcing. Your. Shots.

Legit pisses me off. Like he has this chip on his shoulder he needs to prove every game.

This alpha dog bull is selfish and has to stop.

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gotta be honest, it must be tough for him playing next to a phenom like Zion who's getting so much attention. i kind of get it. he is used to getting ALL the praise and then he's thrust into playing next to a god tier prospect like Zion and I think he's out trying to prove himself a little too hard.

i legit think he would've looked MUCH better had he went to his own school, but part of the NBA today is learning how to play with other stars, so this could be a good thing for him in the long run. We'll see.
That's fair. Though Reddish hasn't had that issue adapting. In fact he's been a lot more passive.

Always interesting to see how young guys play with others. Barrett would rather get his than make a winning play. That's a major evaluation red flag for me.

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yea, but Cam's been more aggressive lately and has looked much better. Also Cam has been making his difference defensively. Barrett's primary strength is scoring so I think that's why he's trying to assert himself from that standpoint...

ill say this again I kinda wish all three went to different teams but it is what it is.
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Post#574 » by MemphisX » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:15 am

The last 10 minutes for RJ were probably the best I have seen him play at Duke. He wasn't shot seeking. Let the game come to him. Needs to really turn down the usage and concentrate on defense. He really needs some skill development. Especially footwork. I don't think he is a #1 option on a high level NBA team and I am not sure he has the mental makeup to deal with that scenario.
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Post#575 » by akhan786 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:03 pm

I really hope RJ and his camp are using Harden as a blueprint for his development.

He will be a star, if he religiously watches how Harden has mastered the PnR with 2019 NBA rules.

It would be ideal if he could be a more athletic Harden with less usage rate.
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Post#576 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:21 pm

akhan786 wrote:I really hope RJ and his camp are using Harden as a blueprint for his development.

He will be a star, if he religiously watches how Harden has mastered the PnR with 2019 NBA rules.

It would be ideal if he could be a more athletic Harden with less usage rate.


yuck, we dont need any more Hardens in this league
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Post#577 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:22 pm

akhan786 wrote:I really hope RJ and his camp are using Harden as a blueprint for his development.

He will be a star, if he religiously watches how Harden has mastered the PnR with 2019 NBA rules.

It would be ideal if he could be a more athletic Harden with less usage rate.


Not saying it's not possible, but he really needs to tighten up his handle to even start thinking about Harden. RJ has a very high dribble. I also think Harden has more functional athleticism in the half court than RJ. I do think RJ is probably faster in the open court and more explosive in the open court. But I do think Harden is the smoother athlete and more agile.
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Post#578 » by akhan786 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:39 pm

clyde21 wrote:
akhan786 wrote:I really hope RJ and his camp are using Harden as a blueprint for his development.

He will be a star, if he religiously watches how Harden has mastered the PnR with 2019 NBA rules.

It would be ideal if he could be a more athletic Harden with less usage rate.


yuck, we dont need any more Hardens in this league


I agree. But something about RJ makes me think he’ll have to emulate Harden’s gimmicks.

And make no mistake, Harden relies on those gimmicks because he has to compensate for not being 7 foot like KD or having the shot making ability of Kyrie. You develop Harden’s abilities because you’re lacking preferrable abilities. Harden works in the regular season. KD and Kyrie work in the Conference Finals and Finals. The margins at that level are incredibly thin and refs swallow their whistles more.

I see a pretty clear ceiling for RJ’s skill development. And that will force him to learn how to spam high volume FTA’s.
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Post#579 » by Chi town » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:56 pm

bennjuiced34 wrote:Stop. ****. Forcing. Your. Shots.

Legit pisses me off. Like he has this chip on his shoulder he needs to prove every game.

This alpha dog bull is selfish and has to stop.

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Kid reminds me of Shabazz Mohammed.

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Post#580 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:43 pm

akhan786 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
akhan786 wrote:I really hope RJ and his camp are using Harden as a blueprint for his development.

He will be a star, if he religiously watches how Harden has mastered the PnR with 2019 NBA rules.

It would be ideal if he could be a more athletic Harden with less usage rate.


yuck, we dont need any more Hardens in this league


I agree. But something about RJ makes me think he’ll have to emulate Harden’s gimmicks.

And make no mistake, Harden relies on those gimmicks because he has to compensate for not being 7 foot like KD or having the shot making ability of Kyrie. You develop Harden’s abilities because you’re lacking preferrable abilities. Harden works in the regular season. KD and Kyrie work in the Conference Finals and Finals. The margins at that level are incredibly thin and refs swallow their whistles more.

I see a pretty clear ceiling for RJ’s skill development. And that will force him to learn how to spam high volume FTA’s.



eh, I don't really see the Harden comp, and he doesn't have to emulate Harden to be successful anyways.

He's much more DeMar DeRozan than James Harden. He's actually closer to Spurs Derozan than Raps Derozan I'd say, too.
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