Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[sco]

Unless the AD narrative changes, I don't see the FO looking to trade Zach, Otto, Lauri, WCJ or our pick.

With Portis and Parker gone, we don't have much that teams are going to value in a talent consolidation deal. For the same reason we'd want to trade him, Dunn doesn't have enough value to bother trading him. Hutchison is unlikely to garner much in return. Valentine, Shrek, etc. same deal.

We may be able to eat another bad contract to get a guy with some potential, but that's about it this offseason.

[Ccwatercraft]

With the way this roster is shaping out, we'll have 3 guys who are career shooters of 35%+ from behind the arc in the lineup in Lavine, Otto, and Lauri. There's no secret having a GOOD pass-first point guard would find these lethal shooters (Otto/Lauri) cleaner looks and take the ball away from Lavine who tends to become a black hole (not counting last night when Lavine assumed the PG role when Dunn got hurt).

I know we all know this, but it's time to move on from Dunn. Just upgrading for a real PG alone will improve Otto and Lauri's production. Before it comes down to his extension this summer, let's ship him off. If it means for a below average role player and a 2nd round pick, so be it. I'd be more than happy sending the remaining cap space on Dragic,Rubio, Collison, or even Rondo if he's down to come back.

Ja Morant would be a sweet pick in the draft after Zion, but I'm not banking on the Bulls getting a top 3 pick just yet.

Rather use cap space + MLE.

[HomoSapien]

One trade I'd consider in the off-season if we keep believing that we can't attract free-agents:

Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, a protected Future 1st for Jrue Holiday. Holiday makes a ton so I'm not sure what his trade value is, especially if NO is looking to just shed salary and get young and future assets.

Our new lineup would look like:

C. Carter
PF. Markannen/
SF. Porter / Hutchison
SG. LaVine / Selden
PG. Holiday/

We could our 2019 draft pick to the rotation. I think we could offer something similar for Conley, but I think I'd prefer Holiday since he's only 28 and could still be a long-term piece.

[sco]

One trade I'd consider in the off-season if we keep believing that we can't attract free-agents:

Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, a protected Future 1st for Jrue Holiday. Holiday makes a ton so I'm not sure what his trade value is, especially if NO is looking to just shed salary and get young and future assets.

Our new lineup would look like:

C. Carter
PF. Markannen/
SF. Porter / Hutchison
SG. LaVine / Selden
PG. Holiday/

We could our 2019 draft pick to the rotation. I think we could offer something similar for Conley, but I think I'd prefer Holiday since he's only 28 and could still be a long-term piece.

I'd do that deal, but not sure where Pels are trying to go. I think Hutch may have more trade value than Val. That first could be a good pick if it's 2020 though, and I think 2021 is the year with the double-deep class with the end of one-and-done. So that protection would need to be good.

[dumbell78]

One trade I'd consider in the off-season if we keep believing that we can't attract free-agents:

Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, a protected Future 1st for Jrue Holiday. Holiday makes a ton so I'm not sure what his trade value is, especially if NO is looking to just shed salary and get young and future assets.

Our new lineup would look like:

C. Carter
PF. Markannen/
SF. Porter / Hutchison
SG. LaVine / Selden
PG. Holiday/

We could our 2019 draft pick to the rotation. I think we could offer something similar for Conley, but I think I'd prefer Holiday since he's only 28 and could still be a long-term piece.

You need to add more salary to make the numbers work and we dont have much more to give unless we give them WCJ+Felicio. Which I still would do. WCJ plus the pick seems to much to swallow for some here, I still do it for Jrue. He is really underrated.

[HomoSapien]

One trade I'd consider in the off-season if we keep believing that we can't attract free-agents:

Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, a protected Future 1st for Jrue Holiday. Holiday makes a ton so I'm not sure what his trade value is, especially if NO is looking to just shed salary and get young and future assets.

Our new lineup would look like:

C. Carter
PF. Markannen/
SF. Porter / Hutchison
SG. LaVine / Selden
PG. Holiday/

We could our 2019 draft pick to the rotation. I think we could offer something similar for Conley, but I think I'd prefer Holiday since he's only 28 and could still be a long-term piece.

You need to add more salary to make the numbers work and we dont have much more to give unless we give them WCJ+Felicio. Which I still would do. WCJ plus the pick seems to much to swallow for some here, I still do it for Jrue. He is really underrated.

We're projected to have $17-20m available cap space next season, so adding Dunn/Valentine should get us there.

[dumbell78]

One trade I'd consider in the off-season if we keep believing that we can't attract free-agents:

Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, a protected Future 1st for Jrue Holiday. Holiday makes a ton so I'm not sure what his trade value is, especially if NO is looking to just shed salary and get young and future assets.

Our new lineup would look like:

C. Carter
PF. Markannen/
SF. Porter / Hutchison
SG. LaVine / Selden
PG. Holiday/

We could our 2019 draft pick to the rotation. I think we could offer something similar for Conley, but I think I'd prefer Holiday since he's only 28 and could still be a long-term piece.

You need to add more salary to make the numbers work and we dont have much more to give unless we give them WCJ+Felicio. Which I still would do. WCJ plus the pick seems to much to swallow for some here, I still do it for Jrue. He is really underrated.

We're projected to have $17-20m available cap space next season, so adding Dunn/Valentine should get us there.

Im talking about matching Jrue's salary for the trade. Jrue makes about 25 mil a year, you need to match close to that for the trade to work. Your proposal only has us sending about 9 mil their way, not enough for the trade to work. Need more salary to go to NO for the deal to work.

Issue is we really dont have any filler now outside of Felicio and his useless butt. WCJ must be included for the trade to work. Hardly have any trade exceptions and ROLO is expriring so cant use him either. Probably would have been easier this trade deadline to include say ROLO, Dunn, Denzel and a 1st round pick swap for Jrue.

[HomoSapien]

You need to add more salary to make the numbers work and we dont have much more to give unless we give them WCJ+Felicio. Which I still would do. WCJ plus the pick seems to much to swallow for some here, I still do it for Jrue. He is really underrated.

We're projected to have $17-20m available cap space next season, so adding Dunn/Valentine should get us there.

Im talking about matching Jrue's salary for the trade. Jrue makes about 25 mil a year, you need to match close to that for the trade to work. Your proposal only has us sending about 9 mil their way, not enough for the trade to work. Need more salary to go to NO for the deal to work.

Issue is we really dont have any filler now outside of Felicio and his useless butt. WCJ must be included for the trade to work. Hardly have any trade exceptions and ROLO is expriring so cant use him either. Probably would have been easier this trade deadline to include say ROLO, Dunn, Denzel and a 1st round pick swap for Jrue.

If we have 17-20 mill in capspace we can absorb most of his salary, no?

[dumbell78]

We're projected to have $17-20m available cap space next season, so adding Dunn/Valentine should get us there.

Im talking about matching Jrue's salary for the trade. Jrue makes about 25 mil a year, you need to match close to that for the trade to work. Your proposal only has us sending about 9 mil their way, not enough for the trade to work. Need more salary to go to NO for the deal to work.

Issue is we really dont have any filler now outside of Felicio and his useless butt. WCJ must be included for the trade to work. Hardly have any trade exceptions and ROLO is expriring so cant use him either. Probably would have been easier this trade deadline to include say ROLO, Dunn, Denzel and a 1st round pick swap for Jrue.

If we have 17-20 mill in capspace we can absorb most of his salary, no?

Nah, I wish that's how it works. We need to match salary. Really hard now with Jabari gone and ROLO expiring.

That CAP space is what we can sign in FA.

[HomoSapien]

You know Blakeney should really watch how Porter plays. Obviously he's a skilled scorer, but his key to becoming a real rotation player is going to be by learning how to be an off-ball scorer. He's going to hurt his future if he keeps insisting on being a ball dominant guy.

[Nikola]

Trade Zach for Jrue Holiday or Mike Conley. Pg's are just too important and rare. But NO and Memphis might like the idea of some younger blood.

No to Conley. Terrible contract. Not a bad as Wall, but terrible none the less. $32.5 Million next year, then $34.5 the year after. No thanks. And he's 31.

Yes, but Porter's contract made it so the Bulls can't kick the can in free agency and be players in 2020. So it's this year to add someone with our cap space or it doesn't matter. If we got the Grizzlies to take Felicio we could still have that. Conley might cost 50+% more $ than Lavine but I think he easily brings in twice as many wins.

After this draft the Bulls will have plenty of solid young guys to develop and I feel like it is time to flip the switch. I have always been of the belief once you get a good solid young core you don't want them spending too much time in a losing culture.

[aramada]

You know Blakeney should really watch how Porter plays. Obviously he's a skilled scorer, but his key to becoming a real rotation player is going to be by learning how to be an off-ball scorer. He's going to hurt his future if he keeps insisting on being a ball dominant guy.

He's not an NBA player until his shot release gets quicker

[Ccwatercraft]

Trade Zach for Jrue Holiday or Mike Conley. Pg's are just too important and rare. But NO and Memphis might like the idea of some younger blood.

No to Conley. Terrible contract. Not a bad as Wall, but terrible none the less. $32.5 Million next year, then $34.5 the year after. No thanks. And he's 31.

Yes, but Porter's contract made it so the Bulls can't kick the can in free agency and be players in 2020. So it's this year to add someone with our cap space or it doesn't matter. If we got the Grizzlies to take Felicio we could still have that. Conley might cost 50+% more $ than Lavine but I think he easily brings in twice as many wins.

After this draft the Bulls will have plenty of solid young guys to develop and I feel like it is time to flip the switch. I have always been of the belief once you get a good solid young core you don't want them spending too much time in a losing culture.

Seems to me that we need to spend all of our available money this offseason and go all in on this, I guess its possible to save some cap room for midseason trades, and/or save our mle and bi annual for the following offseason as well but i'd rather do it now unless there is nobody interested.

[CoreyVillains]

It never made sense to roll over any cap space to 2020. The 2020 free agent class is truly terrible. We can definitely do worse than trading for someone like Jrue. If the cost wasn’t outrageous it would be smart. Get someone like him, improve the culture, win some games, and aim for 2021 free agency when we have little money tied up and the cap increases.

[Ccwatercraft]

You know Blakeney should really watch how Porter plays. Obviously he's a skilled scorer, but his key to becoming a real rotation player is going to be by learning how to be an off-ball scorer. He's going to hurt his future if he keeps insisting on being a ball dominant guy.

He's not an NBA player until his shot release gets quicker

it didn't seem slow to me at least when shooting outside the biggest issue I saw was that when he got in the lane in traffic he was totally out of control, overpowered and tended to release late on his way down which caused him to get blocked frequently, maybe that is a byproduct of his success in the D league where the defense is weaker.

Bottom line is if we're stuck with him, that's ok as long as he's deep on the bench and filling in garbage minutes until he learns to solve some of those issues.

[qianlong]

One trade I'd consider in the off-season if we keep believing that we can't attract free-agents:

Kris Dunn, Denzel Valentine, a protected Future 1st for Jrue Holiday. Holiday makes a ton so I'm not sure what his trade value is, especially if NO is looking to just shed salary and get young and future assets.

Our new lineup would look like:

C. Carter
PF. Markannen/
SF. Porter / Hutchison
SG. LaVine / Selden
PG. Holiday/

We could our 2019 draft pick to the rotation. I think we could offer something similar for Conley, but I think I'd prefer Holiday since he's only 28 and could still be a long-term piece.

I suggested the exact same two names in the point guard thread. Holiday is younger, and more versatile (1 or 2) but at the same time Conley has a shorter deal and I believe is a better pg. Moreover I believe Conley would be an easier get.
I'd like to keep Dunn as a third guard. So my idea was Shrek and a top 10 protected pick or something along those lines.

I believe any of the two with the addition of Porter, a rookie and internal improvement would bring the playoffs.

[CE1141]

Otto Porter, Blakeney for Batum, W.Hernangomez, Hachimura

Otto Porter, Blakeney for Crabbe, Dudley, Hachimura

Lauri+Dunn+2nd for D.Russel+1st (Hachimura)

WCJ/Lopez
Zion/Hachimura
Otto/Hutch/Selden
Zach/Valentine
Russel/Archi

[Nate3carp]

Im talking about matching Jrue's salary for the trade. Jrue makes about 25 mil a year, you need to match close to that for the trade to work. Your proposal only has us sending about 9 mil their way, not enough for the trade to work. Need more salary to go to NO for the deal to work.

Issue is we really dont have any filler now outside of Felicio and his useless butt. WCJ must be included for the trade to work. Hardly have any trade exceptions and ROLO is expriring so cant use him either. Probably would have been easier this trade deadline to include say ROLO, Dunn, Denzel and a 1st round pick swap for Jrue.

If we have 17-20 mill in capspace we can absorb most of his salary, no?

Nah, I wish that's how it works. We need to match salary. Really hard now with Jabari gone and ROLO expiring.

That CAP space is what we can sign in FA.

This is wrong. If you are under the cap, you do not have to match salary, as long as you end the trade also under the cap. If we have $17m in space and Jrue is $25m, we only have to send $8m out in the trade.

[dumbell78]

If we have 17-20 mill in capspace we can absorb most of his salary, no?

Nah, I wish that's how it works. We need to match salary. Really hard now with Jabari gone and ROLO expiring.

That CAP space is what we can sign in FA.

This is wrong. If you are under the cap, you do not have to match salary, as long as you end the trade also under the cap. If we have $17m in space and Jrue is $25m, we only have to send $8m out in the trade.

Thats my point, with what you are proposing we are OVER the cap, so no go.

ie Jrue (25 mil) for Felicio (8 mil), does not work. We have to add more salary, close to 15 mil for it to work. Jrue 25 mil puts us over the cap.

[Ccwatercraft]

If we have 17-20 mill in capspace we can absorb most of his salary, no?

Nah, I wish that's how it works. We need to match salary. Really hard now with Jabari gone and ROLO expiring.

That CAP space is what we can sign in FA.

This is wrong. If you are under the cap, you do not have to match salary, as long as you end the trade also under the cap. If we have $17m in space and Jrue is $25m, we only have to send $8m out in the trade.

I think this could be both right and wrong because even though we do have X amount of space we also have cap holds that factor in, which would have to be addressed. I'm curious what the correct answer is.

I thought the 125% rule only applied if over the cap, or the net result put you over