D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it?

[knicksup19]

Who else are they gonna pay with their cap space?

A Knicks fan is really talking about using capspace?

You say that as is the fans sign the players to the contracts and therefore are disqualified from having any knowledge.

I disagree with the assumption you have to resign him, but being a knicks fan doesnt disqualify you from having cap space knowledge

But by being a knicks fan and witnessing all of the cap mistakes (management not the fans) have made i would argue that would make us more knowledgable.

This would be like me disqualifying you as if you made the trade if you made a argument about a potential trade was made just because King gave up the farm for Garnett and Pierce. being a nets fan doesnt disqualify your trade knowledge because the team made a bad trade

same applies here, but i get it bash the knicks fans, unless we bash our own team we are not allowed to have a opinion, herd mentality bash knicks fans..

*waits for* you guys booed kp pick as if every knicks fan in known existence was at the draft and booed him, 50 drunk ppl and a stupid kid clearly represent exactly how millions of knicks fan felt 100%

[Trader_Joe]

No.

Let the market dictate it, and I think people will be surprised how cheap he is. PG is flooded, not may teams need one, those that do have the option of the draft, trade and free agency with much cheaper and safer options.

4/90 is my guess.

[babyjax13]

Paying marginal players max money is the worst thing you can do as a GM of a small market team. Marginal players are more often than not fool's gold. You especially don't do it for reasons like "potential," or "he could be the face of the franchise," or "who else are you going to use the cap space for."

Cap space is always valuable even if you can't necessarily guarantee that you'll use it on marquee free agents, because it allows you more flexibility to upgrade the roster via depth. Managing your cap space well is usually one of the only ways that small market teams can have a hope of putting a decent team together.

And honestly, Russell is looking like potential fool's gold. 53.4 TS%, .096 WS/48, -.82 DRPM. Maxing those type of numbers is a sucker move waiting to happen. I would give him 3/80 with a player option for the 3rd year, to see if he actually lives up to the hype while giving him the opportunity to earn the big $ while he's still only 26 years old.

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

[uberhikari]

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

[lars_rosenberg]

I would match any offer, but I would try to get a discount.
Basically the Nets shouldn't bid against themselves aa the Rockets did with Paul.

[E-Balla]

As of now hell no. The dude has had one good month in his 4th year. If he keeps up how production the rest of the year then maybe but his efficiency is already way down in February and this is a death contract waiting to happen. Dude’s who can’t D up and can’t score efficiently (-4 rTS%) are NOT Max players.

One month? He's averaged 20/4/7 on -3 rTS% with a -3 ORTG this year.

Either way you 100% gotta pay him. I said when he was a rookie he wouldn't start exploding until he was 21 or 22 years old. He's an unathletic player that relies on his cunning and skills, guys like that don't usually hit the ground running early.

[wutevahung]

He is an all star because of lack of selections in the east, not because he is one of the best guards.
I like D'angelo, but the best aspect of his game- scoring, comes at below league average efficiency level, and he is too reliant on making pull up 3 to be a consistent play off threat in my view. Though he is a good/willing passer, he cannot fully showcase his vision because his lack of ability to penetrate and move the defense. His defense is also below average. I think if you have 2 max guys next to him then he can be an impactful 3rd player, but should be paid as one of the lead dogs.
I think 100/4 years or 110/5 years will be good.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

I dont think even he or his agent would expect 5/156. He can make 5/125 or something similar and he'll take it

[MrDollarBills]

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

lol @ the 6th most valuable franchise in the NBA being a "small market" club.

[Bcogswell]

God no, I'd definitely be keeping any offer under 95m preferably.

[uberhikari]

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

lol @ the 6th most valuable franchise in the NBA being a "small market" club.

So, either you can't read or you didn't read what I wrote.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

Brooklyn's population is almost 3 million, which is bigger than Denver, Cleveland, Washington and Detroit combined. It's also one of the most expensive places to live in the country. It's absolutely a desirable destination, thats the only reason why the Nets have been in the FA discussion and the team is valued so highly. People who have never been there think it's a suburb to NY or something, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

I suggest reading up on a place or visiting before casting judgement.

[kamaze]

No need to he's restricted.

[uberhikari]

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

Brooklyn's population is almost 3 million, which is bigger than Denver, Cleveland, Washington and Detroit combined. It's also one of the most expensive places to live in the country. It's absolutely a desirable destination, thats the only reason why the Nets have been in the FA discussion and the team is valued so highly. People who have never been there think it's a suburb to NY or something, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

I suggest reading up on a place or visiting before casting judgement.

If Brooklyn even gets a 3rd tier free agent this offseason without having to overpay them, I'll eat both of my hands.

Save this comment until July.

[MrDollarBills]

There's a few wild hot takes in here but I'll say this much, you can spot the people who haven't watched Russell play this season at all and are just talking out of their asses by the posts talking about him as a poor to below average defender. He's improved across the board especially defensively, along with his consistency, cutting down the TOs and his 3 point accuracy.

Also

Russell compared to superstar point guards at the same age.....

Russell at 22 years old:
20/7/4 on 44/38/83


Curry at 22
18.5/6/4 on 48/44/93

Harden at 22
17/4/4 on 49/39/84

Kyrie at 22
21/5/3 on 47/41/86

Kemba at 22
17/6/4 on 42/32/80

Lillard at 22
19/6/3 on 43/37/84

Westbrook at 22
21/8/4 on 44/33/84

Wall at 22:
18.5/8/4 on 44/27/80

Derrick Rose at 22
21/6/4 on 49/27/77

i'm not saying Russell should be given the full max, I'm sure he and the Nets will come to a good middle ground because he wants to be here and the franchise loves him. But the people saying that the Nets should low ball him are either not paying attention, or they are delusional. 22 year old PGs averaging 20/4/7 aren't going to get lowballed in the NBA. Russell has turned the corner big time and is literally sleep walking his way into 20-30 point nights and has been an excellent clutch performer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820645-dangelo-russell-is-breaking-free?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

He is among the dozen or so best closers in the game—only a handful of players have taken as many clutch-time shots as Russell (47) while hitting at a comparable clip (44.7 percent). He has long been praised for his court vision—and his assists have climbed for a fourth straight season—but his scoring sets him apart now. Commanding the Nets’ system, which relies heavily on high screens, he has shown brilliant offensive flexibility.

[MrDollarBills]

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

Brooklyn's population is almost 3 million, which is bigger than Denver, Cleveland, Washington and Detroit combined. It's also one of the most expensive places to live in the country. It's absolutely a desirable destination, thats the only reason why the Nets have been in the FA discussion and the team is valued so highly. People who have never been there think it's a suburb to NY or something, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

I suggest reading up on a place or visiting before casting judgement.

If Brooklyn even gets a 3rd tier free agent this offseason without having to overpay them, I'll eat both of my hands.

Save this comment until July.

Getting a free agent has nothing to do with your ridiculous comment about Brooklyn, NY being a small market. The Knicks are in Manhattan and have whiffed on free agents and yet they are still the #1 team in the league value wise and market wise.

We can save this comment, but as I've learned, most times when someone on here talks out of their ass and gets called out on it later down the line, that person usually avoids the thread when it gets upped (see: the "Josh Hart is better than D'Angelo Russell" thread for details).

[MrDollarBills]

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

lol @ the 6th most valuable franchise in the NBA being a "small market" club.

So, either you can't read or you didn't read what I wrote.

I did read what you wrote. It's complete horse crap. By your definition, the New York Knicks are a small market team and they haven't been able to draw top flight free agents for years.

[MrDollarBills]

He is an all star because of lack of selections in the east, not because he is one of the best guards.

Go check Russell's numbers on the season compared to Lowry and Oladipo's and get back to us.

I bet you won't.

Dudes talk a lot of **** on the general board without many facts to back it up.

[uberhikari]

lol @ the 6th most valuable franchise in the NBA being a "small market" club.

So, either you can't read or you didn't read what I wrote.

I did read what you wrote. It's complete horse crap. By your definition, the New York Knicks are a small market team and they haven't been able to draw top flight free agents for years.

Congratulations. You literally found the ONLY exception in the entire NBA. I guess I must be totallhy wrong...

[uberhikari]

Brooklyn's population is almost 3 million, which is bigger than Denver, Cleveland, Washington and Detroit combined. It's also one of the most expensive places to live in the country. It's absolutely a desirable destination, thats the only reason why the Nets have been in the FA discussion and the team is valued so highly. People who have never been there think it's a suburb to NY or something, but that couldn't be further from the truth.

I suggest reading up on a place or visiting before casting judgement.

If Brooklyn even gets a 3rd tier free agent this offseason without having to overpay them, I'll eat both of my hands.

Save this comment until July.

Getting a free agent has nothing to do with your ridiculous comment about Brooklyn, NY being a small market. The Knicks are in Manhattan and have whiffed on free agents and yet they are still the #1 team in the league value wise and market wise.

We can save this comment, but as I've learned, most times when someone on here talks out of their ass and gets called out on it later down the line, that person usually avoids the thread when it gets upped (see: the "Josh Hart is better than D'Angelo Russell" thread for details).

I'm making a bet that Brooklyn won't get any marque free agents, I'm not betting the life of my first born child. Jesus Christ. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. We'll see in July.