Trade Ideas Thread: Deadline Edition

[Balkman32]

The buy out market isn't complete yet. Watch for a bunch of guys to get bought out/ cut after the all star game. Teams need the roster credit during the break.

[JustOneFix]

Have you seen the guys TOR, PHIL, HOU, IND & MIL have signed?

Those are contending teams. Then you want me to get excited about signing the leftovers that really don't do much in the way of giving us a better chance against GSW.

OKC has dropped the ball. The contenders around us got stronger. We haven't.

Toronto did not signed anyone. They traded for Gasol. Big difference.

Philly did not signed anyone. They traded for Harris. Big difference.

Indiana is not a contender. And as long he didn't sign with GS, Houston, Denver or San Antonio, i couldn't care less where Wes Matthews decides to play. There is like zero % of Indiana - OKC Finals, and even if there is one, we would crush them, Wes or not.

Millwaukie got Mirotic, but that was probably his decision. Presti was certanly looking at him, but the guy just decided to go to play for the Bucks, nothing we could do.

Same with Faried. I was all for his signings (but i belive i was in a pretty deep minority as everyone keeps saying for years that the guy is a bad defender and just not a good fit for todays trigger happy brand of basketball), and that to me, is the only signing so far that has any kind of effect on us, as they are our potential playoff matchup.

[Dadouv47]

Have you seen the guys TOR, PHIL, HOU, IND & MIL have signed?

Those are contending teams. Then you want me to get excited about signing the leftovers that really don't do much in the way of giving us a better chance against GSW.

OKC has dropped the ball. The contenders around us got stronger. We haven't.

Toronto did not signed anyone. They traded for Gasol. Big difference.

Philly did not signed anyone. They traded for Harris. Big difference.

Indiana is not a contender. And as long he didn't sign with GS, Houston, Denver or San Antonio, i couldn't care less where Wes Matthews decides to play. There is like zero % of Indiana - OKC Finals, and even if there is one, we would crush them, Wes or not.

Millwaukie got Mirotic, but that was probably his decision. Presti was certanly looking at him, but the guy just decided to go to play for the Bucks, nothing we could do.

Same with Faried. I was all for his signings (but i belive i was in a pretty deep minority as everyone keeps saying for years that the guy is a bad defender and just not a good fit for todays trigger happy brand of basketball), and that to me, is the only signing so far that has any kind of effect on us, as they are our potential playoff matchup.

What are you talking about? Bucks gave up four 2nd round picks for Mirotic. It wasn't because Mirotic wanted to go to the Bucks or something. With GSW being so stacked, no team in the West will give up that many picks for an expiring contract like him.

It's obvious that it's a good year for the best teams in the East to trade some assets in order to have a shot to go to the Finals, while winning the West is a long shot (have to bet on a GSW player to get injured or something like that) and not worth trading as many picks/assets.

For the rest u are right though. Philly was able to trade for Harris and some veterans because they had cap space + a lot of assets (our only real asset is Ferguson)

[SecondTake]

Have you seen the guys TOR, PHIL, HOU, IND & MIL have signed?

Those are contending teams. Then you want me to get excited about signing the leftovers that really don't do much in the way of giving us a better chance against GSW.

OKC has dropped the ball. The contenders around us got stronger. We haven't.

Toronto did not signed anyone. They traded for Gasol. Big difference.

Philly did not signed anyone. They traded for Harris. Big difference.

Indiana is not a contender. And as long he didn't sign with GS, Houston, Denver or San Antonio, i couldn't care less where Wes Matthews decides to play. There is like zero % of Indiana - OKC Finals, and even if there is one, we would crush them, Wes or not.

Millwaukie got Mirotic, but that was probably his decision. Presti was certanly looking at him, but the guy just decided to go to play for the Bucks, nothing we could do.

Same with Faried. I was all for his signings (but i belive i was in a pretty deep minority as everyone keeps saying for years that the guy is a bad defender and just not a good fit for todays trigger happy brand of basketball), and that to me, is the only signing so far that has any kind of effect on us, as they are our potential playoff matchup.

Problem isn't who we are or not signing in buyout specifically - problem is who we added/didn't add to our roster over the deadline/buyout. This wouldn't be a problem if we made real moves at the deadline. Instead we have lost both at the deadline and now we've lost the best buyout candidates to other contenders as well.

What you have is a contingent of TOR, MIL, PHI, HOU getting a lot stronger over the past week and OKC standing pat. We're now left with the crumbs to pick up.

I still think we beat HOU in any matchup, but we're not making the finals unless we go through GSW, and I don't see any candidates left that move the needle as far as that's concerned.

[Dadouv47]

Have you seen the guys TOR, PHIL, HOU, IND & MIL have signed?

Those are contending teams. Then you want me to get excited about signing the leftovers that really don't do much in the way of giving us a better chance against GSW.

OKC has dropped the ball. The contenders around us got stronger. We haven't.

Toronto did not signed anyone. They traded for Gasol. Big difference.

Philly did not signed anyone. They traded for Harris. Big difference.

Indiana is not a contender. And as long he didn't sign with GS, Houston, Denver or San Antonio, i couldn't care less where Wes Matthews decides to play. There is like zero % of Indiana - OKC Finals, and even if there is one, we would crush them, Wes or not.

Millwaukie got Mirotic, but that was probably his decision. Presti was certanly looking at him, but the guy just decided to go to play for the Bucks, nothing we could do.

Same with Faried. I was all for his signings (but i belive i was in a pretty deep minority as everyone keeps saying for years that the guy is a bad defender and just not a good fit for todays trigger happy brand of basketball), and that to me, is the only signing so far that has any kind of effect on us, as they are our potential playoff matchup.

Problem isn't who we are or not signing in buyout specifically - problem is who we added/didn't add to our roster over the deadline/buyout. This wouldn't be a problem if we made real moves at the deadline. Instead we have lost both at the deadline and now we've lost the best buyout candidates to other contenders as well.

What you have is a contingent of TOR, MIL, PHI, HOU getting a lot stronger over the past week and OKC standing pat. We're now left with the crumbs to pick up.

I still think we beat HOU in any matchup, but we're not making the finals unless we go through GSW, and I don't see any candidates left that move the needle as far as that's concerned.

You are right but Houston didn't really gave up any assets to improve. Faried wanted to join them and they got rid of Knight's salary for next year to get Shumpert. Even if they slightly improve with Shumpert, the trade was mostly about clearing cap space for next year.

Whether you believe we can beat Golden State or not, you can see that no team in the West was really willing to trade big assets to REALLY improve this year. I think They don't want to trade their assets this year and believe they may have a better shot next year (Durant probably going to leave). I understand the reasons for that but obviously it's frustrating because Russ is declining and we don't have many years left to compete at the highest level.

[SecondTake]

Toronto did not signed anyone. They traded for Gasol. Big difference.

Philly did not signed anyone. They traded for Harris. Big difference.

Indiana is not a contender. And as long he didn't sign with GS, Houston, Denver or San Antonio, i couldn't care less where Wes Matthews decides to play. There is like zero % of Indiana - OKC Finals, and even if there is one, we would crush them, Wes or not.

Millwaukie got Mirotic, but that was probably his decision. Presti was certanly looking at him, but the guy just decided to go to play for the Bucks, nothing we could do.

Same with Faried. I was all for his signings (but i belive i was in a pretty deep minority as everyone keeps saying for years that the guy is a bad defender and just not a good fit for todays trigger happy brand of basketball), and that to me, is the only signing so far that has any kind of effect on us, as they are our potential playoff matchup.

Problem isn't who we are or not signing in buyout specifically - problem is who we added/didn't add to our roster over the deadline/buyout. This wouldn't be a problem if we made real moves at the deadline. Instead we have lost both at the deadline and now we've lost the best buyout candidates to other contenders as well.

What you have is a contingent of TOR, MIL, PHI, HOU getting a lot stronger over the past week and OKC standing pat. We're now left with the crumbs to pick up.

I still think we beat HOU in any matchup, but we're not making the finals unless we go through GSW, and I don't see any candidates left that move the needle as far as that's concerned.

You are right but Houston didn't really gave up any assets to improve. Faried wanted to join them and they got rid of Knight's salary for next year to get Shumpert. Even if they slightly improve with Shumpert, the trade was mostly about clearing cap space for next year.

Whether you believe we can beat Golden State or not, you can see that no team in the West was really willing to trade big assets to REALLY improve this year. I think They don't want to trade their assets this year and believe they may have a better shot next year (Durant probably going to leave). I understand the reasons for that but obviously it's frustrating because Russ is declining and we don't have many years left to compete at the highest level.

I'm more optimistic about Russel getting better this off season (he didn't work during last one due to kids and injury) but I'm less optimistic about PG ever being this good again. I'd love to really maximize our chances while PG is playing out of his mind like this. Maybe he'll continue again next year, but I'm skeptical until I see it. It would suck for Russ to marginally improve while PG returns to his normal self next year.

[Dadouv47]

Problem isn't who we are or not signing in buyout specifically - problem is who we added/didn't add to our roster over the deadline/buyout. This wouldn't be a problem if we made real moves at the deadline. Instead we have lost both at the deadline and now we've lost the best buyout candidates to other contenders as well.

What you have is a contingent of TOR, MIL, PHI, HOU getting a lot stronger over the past week and OKC standing pat. We're now left with the crumbs to pick up.

I still think we beat HOU in any matchup, but we're not making the finals unless we go through GSW, and I don't see any candidates left that move the needle as far as that's concerned.

You are right but Houston didn't really gave up any assets to improve. Faried wanted to join them and they got rid of Knight's salary for next year to get Shumpert. Even if they slightly improve with Shumpert, the trade was mostly about clearing cap space for next year.

Whether you believe we can beat Golden State or not, you can see that no team in the West was really willing to trade big assets to REALLY improve this year. I think They don't want to trade their assets this year and believe they may have a better shot next year (Durant probably going to leave). I understand the reasons for that but obviously it's frustrating because Russ is declining and we don't have many years left to compete at the highest level.

I'm more optimistic about Russel getting better this off season (he didn't work during last one due to kids and injury) but I'm less optimistic about PG ever being this good again. I'd love to really maximize our chances while PG is playing out of his mind like this. Maybe he'll continue again next year, but I'm skeptical until I see it. It would suck for Russ to marginally improve while PG returns to his normal self next year.

Well it may happen (we need to see first how they play comes playoff time) but I prefer to work with facts

1. Russ is starting to decline with permanent knees issues (not the only PG that is struggling with his knees and he relies so much on athleticism). Maybe he can have some minor surgery to improve that I don't know but it's difficult to deny that his knees aren't an issue.
2. PG13 is still young enough to play at a very high level on his contract (if he will or not that's another question)
3. Adams and Grant are pretty much at their ceiling (well maybe Grant can still improve a bit, don't know)
4. Ferguson is becoming a really good player and if keeps improving for the next years on his rookie deal that's awesome for us.
5. We don't have cap space. We are already paying a fortune in taxes.

So other than Ferguson that can improve we are pretty much stucked to be a good/great team but not enough to win a championship, unless some miracle happens (that would mean Westbrook playing like 1-2 years ago, Roberson coming back healthy and the other players to keep playing like they are right now).

Still think that the only solution for the next years to come would be to trade Schroeder and assets for a good SG. Don't want to start a Schroeder conversation if he's good or bad (we already know who thinks what about him) but we can't afford to pay 15 millions/year for a back up PG, even if he's our ''6th man''. Won't be easy to do since Schroeder is considered by many to have negative trade value but maybe with another assets and picks we could do this. My pipe dream would be Jrue Holiday because he would be a great fit and can play the point when Westbrook rest.

[JustOneFix]

Problem isn't who we are or not signing in buyout specifically - problem is who we added/didn't add to our roster over the deadline/buyout. This wouldn't be a problem if we made real moves at the deadline. Instead we have lost both at the deadline and now we've lost the best buyout candidates to other contenders as well.

What you have is a contingent of TOR, MIL, PHI, HOU getting a lot stronger over the past week and OKC standing pat. We're now left with the crumbs to pick up.

That was exactly my point. These contenders are none of our concern. Had these guys like Mirotic, Harris or Matthews went to our direct rivals, yeah, you would have a point. But since they are all left to a different conference, I couldn't care less. And that's scenario I would gladly sign under this circumstances.

[Balkman32]

Markieff Morris to the Thunder! I am pumped about this one!

[retrobro90]

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Lets **** go!

[JustOneFix]

Yes ! Yes! Yes!

[Balkman32]

Morris is the king of gritty tough guy I thought this team was missing. I love the idea of a Morris twin on this team, I'd even take both net year.

Am I too greedy to want another wing as well? Well unless Roberson is gonna be ready.

[ThunderBolt]

Well, good.

[Pillendreher]

I don't know how to feel about this. But I guess any NBA level player is better than not having one.

[ThunderBolt]

I hope Draymond tries to kick him in the nuts. He would end him.

[ThunderBolt]

Did we give him part of our MLE? How serious is the neck injury? I know he was recently cleared but that doesn’t mean he’s 100%.

[Pillendreher]

Did we give him part of our MLE? How serious is the neck injury? I know he was recently cleared but that doesn’t mean he’s 100%.

Him and Roberson can still compete in wheelchair races if he can't play.

[retrobro90]

His health is a concern to be sure but I'm relieved that it was already a few days ago that his doctor in LA cleared him to play. In conjunction he'll also have an extended rest over the ASB.

I don't see how this isn't a massive upgrade from PPat though. Patterson (might) be a better bet on switches but he's for sure lost a step. Kieff is far from a 0 on offense and a way better play finisher than 2Pat. He's better boxing out, better verticality, can create his own shot, etc. He's coming from a toxic locker room to one of the most joyous and going from a lottery team to a team competing for the conference finals. I'm ecstatic.

[Balkman32]

Haven't seen details on his contract. If the MLE was used I wonder if its a multi year deal. The maximum the Thunder can offer is $4.5 million this year.

[Dn4sty]

I don't know how to feel about this. But I guess any NBA level player is better than not having one.

I think hes very similar to 2Pat, but just far more consistent.