D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it?

[madmaxmedia]

There's a few wild hot takes in here but I'll say this much, you can spot the people who haven't watched Russell play this season at all and are just talking out of their asses by the posts talking about him as a poor to below average defender. He's improved across the board especially defensively, along with his consistency, cutting down the TOs and his 3 point accuracy.

Also

Russell compared to superstar point guards at the same age.....

Russell at 22 years old:
20/7/4 on 44/38/83


Curry at 22
18.5/6/4 on 48/44/93

Harden at 22
17/4/4 on 49/39/84

Kyrie at 22
21/5/3 on 47/41/86

Kemba at 22
17/6/4 on 42/32/80

Lillard at 22
19/6/3 on 43/37/84

Westbrook at 22
21/8/4 on 44/33/84

Wall at 22:
18.5/8/4 on 44/27/80

Derrick Rose at 22
21/6/4 on 49/27/77

i'm not saying Russell should be given the full max, I'm sure he and the Nets will come to a good middle ground because he wants to be here and the franchise loves him. But the people saying that the Nets should low ball him are either not paying attention, or they are delusional. 22 year old PGs averaging 20/4/7 aren't going to get lowballed in the NBA. Russell has turned the corner big time and is literally sleep walking his way into 20-30 point nights and has been an excellent clutch performer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820645-dangelo-russell-is-breaking-free?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

He is among the dozen or so best closers in the game—only a handful of players have taken as many clutch-time shots as Russell (47) while hitting at a comparable clip (44.7 percent). He has long been praised for his court vision—and his assists have climbed for a fourth straight season—but his scoring sets him apart now. Commanding the Nets’ system, which relies heavily on high screens, he has shown brilliant offensive flexibility.

Stats aside, what is your eye-test assessment of DLO compared to those guys in the list? Some of those guys seems to be better athletes, but more importantly each of those guys does certain things very well and have carved their own place in the league.

I've literally watched none of DLO in Brooklyn besides some highlights, so genuinely curious how you compare him to other top guards (if he's gonna get paid like one.)

[timO]

no way, i give at max 80x4/100x5.

[wutevahung]

He is an all star because of lack of selections in the east, not because he is one of the best guards.

Go check Russell's numbers on the season compared to Lowry and Oladipo's and get back to us.

I bet you won't.

Dudes talk a lot of **** on the general board without many facts to back it up.

wait what? so... you agreed that he is only selected because he is in the east?
If you want to prove me wrong you should compare him to the guards in western conference.
you should really think about what you are being angry about before being so offended.

[enigmatics]

Better question is why wouldn't you? Dude is coming into his own right now.

[timO]

Better question is why wouldn't you? Dude is coming into his own right now.

Well, Suns give it to Booker, Minny to Wiggins, so u are tanking or in no man`s land for years.

you cant give max to mediocrity.

[wutevahung]

There's a few wild hot takes in here but I'll say this much, you can spot the people who haven't watched Russell play this season at all and are just talking out of their asses by the posts talking about him as a poor to below average defender. He's improved across the board especially defensively, along with his consistency, cutting down the TOs and his 3 point accuracy.

Also

Russell compared to superstar point guards at the same age.....

Russell at 22 years old:
20/7/4 on 44/38/83


Curry at 22
18.5/6/4 on 48/44/93

Harden at 22
17/4/4 on 49/39/84

Kyrie at 22
21/5/3 on 47/41/86

Kemba at 22
17/6/4 on 42/32/80

Lillard at 22
19/6/3 on 43/37/84

Westbrook at 22
21/8/4 on 44/33/84

Wall at 22:
18.5/8/4 on 44/27/80

Derrick Rose at 22
21/6/4 on 49/27/77

i'm not saying Russell should be given the full max, I'm sure he and the Nets will come to a good middle ground because he wants to be here and the franchise loves him. But the people saying that the Nets should low ball him are either not paying attention, or they are delusional. 22 year old PGs averaging 20/4/7 aren't going to get lowballed in the NBA. Russell has turned the corner big time and is literally sleep walking his way into 20-30 point nights and has been an excellent clutch performer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820645-dangelo-russell-is-breaking-free?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

He is among the dozen or so best closers in the game—only a handful of players have taken as many clutch-time shots as Russell (47) while hitting at a comparable clip (44.7 percent). He has long been praised for his court vision—and his assists have climbed for a fourth straight season—but his scoring sets him apart now. Commanding the Nets’ system, which relies heavily on high screens, he has shown brilliant offensive flexibility.

Not sure why you are quoting the raw stats above from a different poster, since it shows nothing of the overall efficiency (TS%), how it relates to the league average, the 3 pt attempts per game, FT rate, per 36, or Per 100 possessions, has none of the impact stats, the raw stats comparisons are basically useless to most of posters here.

Agree that he shouldn't be lowballed, but it depends on what a person defines as a lowball offer and a reasonable offer.
I am not a cap expert, would D'angelo resigning affect the 2 max (or is it 1 max?) that the Nets have available this off season?

[leper-con]

The better question is. Who would you rather build around D-Lo or Ball?
The lakers had both.

[Rockice_24]

Better question is why wouldn't you? Dude is coming into his own right now.

Because you don't have to that's why. Why pay him more then you have to? Seems dumb to just overpay with zero reason to do so.

[timO]

The better question is. Who would you rather build around D-Lo or Ball?
The lakers had both.

With none if its possible

[dacrusha]

Better question is why wouldn't you? Dude is coming into his own right now.

Well, Suns give it to Booker, Minny to Wiggins, so u are tanking or in no man`s land for years.

you cant give max to mediocrity.

One of the best young PGs in the game and AS selection. How is that mediocre?

He’s brought way more to the table in terms of leadership and winning than the two players you list above.

IMO, you don’t haggle with your best player over a few million dollars per year. If you give him the keys to the franchise then you give him the max.

[kamaze]

There's a few wild hot takes in here but I'll say this much, you can spot the people who haven't watched Russell play this season at all and are just talking out of their asses by the posts talking about him as a poor to below average defender.

Is that why the coach subbed him out on defense in OT last night?

He's improved across the board especially defensively, along with his consistency, cutting down the TOs and his 3 point accuracy.

He has but still has slip ups he had 7 turnovers last night.

Russell compared to superstar point guards at the same age.....

Russell at 22 years old:
20/7/4 on 44/38/83


Curry at 22
18.5/6/4 on 48/44/93

Harden at 22
17/4/4 on 49/39/84

Kyrie at 22
21/5/3 on 47/41/86

Kemba at 22
17/6/4 on 42/32/80

Lillard at 22
19/6/3 on 43/37/84

Westbrook at 22
21/8/4 on 44/33/84

Wall at 22:
18.5/8/4 on 44/27/80

Derrick Rose at 22
21/6/4 on 49/27/77

good point

i'm not saying Russell should be given the full max, I'm sure he and the Nets will come to a good middle ground because he wants to be here and the franchise loves him. But the people saying that the Nets should low ball him are either not paying attention, or they are delusional.

Look at the contracts their other top players signed Joe Harris signed a 2 year / $16,000,000 contract..

Read on Twitter

a 22 year old PGs averaging 20/4/7 aren't going to get lowballed in the NBA. Russell has turned the corner big time and is literally sleep walking his way into 20-30 point nights and has been an excellent clutch performer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820645-dangelo-russell-is-breaking-free?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

He is among the dozen or so best closers in the game—only a handful of players have taken as many clutch-time shots as Russell (47) while hitting at a comparable clip (44.7 percent). He has long been praised for his court vision—and his assists have climbed for a fourth straight season—but his scoring sets him apart now. Commanding the Nets’ system, which relies heavily on high screens, he has shown brilliant offensive flexibility.

We'll see what happens.

[pillwenney]

First of all, this "offer him half of that" stuff that's always inevitably in these threads is delusional. That's how you lose players that are difficult to replace.

But since he's unrestricted, I don't think you necessarily have to start by offering the max. You can try maybe 5/125 and see if he takes it. If not, the market can decide.

The real question, I suppose, is if another team signs him to a max offer sheet (not sure what that is off hand), do you match? It's that tough situation where he's probably not worth it, but I think you do. It's better to overpay a bit than to lose a guy you can't easily replace.

[timO]

Better question is why wouldn't you? Dude is coming into his own right now.

Well, Suns give it to Booker, Minny to Wiggins, so u are tanking or in no man`s land for years.

you cant give max to mediocrity.

One of the best young PGs in the game and AS selection. How is that mediocre?

He’s brought way more to the table in terms of leadership and winning than the two players you list above.

IMO, you don’t haggle with your best player over a few million dollars per year. If you give him the keys to the franchise then you give him the max.

In the east there are only 5 teams, the rest are...

being all star in the east is a joke

middelton

[DeRoma]

There's a few wild hot takes in here but I'll say this much, you can spot the people who haven't watched Russell play this season at all and are just talking out of their asses by the posts talking about him as a poor to below average defender. He's improved across the board especially defensively, along with his consistency, cutting down the TOs and his 3 point accuracy.

Also

Russell compared to superstar point guards at the same age.....

Russell at 22 years old:
20/7/4 on 44/38/83


Curry at 22
18.5/6/4 on 48/44/93

Harden at 22
17/4/4 on 49/39/84

Kyrie at 22
21/5/3 on 47/41/86

Kemba at 22
17/6/4 on 42/32/80

Lillard at 22
19/6/3 on 43/37/84

Westbrook at 22
21/8/4 on 44/33/84

Wall at 22:
18.5/8/4 on 44/27/80

Derrick Rose at 22
21/6/4 on 49/27/77

i'm not saying Russell should be given the full max, I'm sure he and the Nets will come to a good middle ground because he wants to be here and the franchise loves him. But the people saying that the Nets should low ball him are either not paying attention, or they are delusional. 22 year old PGs averaging 20/4/7 aren't going to get lowballed in the NBA. Russell has turned the corner big time and is literally sleep walking his way into 20-30 point nights and has been an excellent clutch performer:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820645-dangelo-russell-is-breaking-free?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

He is among the dozen or so best closers in the game—only a handful of players have taken as many clutch-time shots as Russell (47) while hitting at a comparable clip (44.7 percent). He has long been praised for his court vision—and his assists have climbed for a fourth straight season—but his scoring sets him apart now. Commanding the Nets’ system, which relies heavily on high screens, he has shown brilliant offensive flexibility.

Stats aside, what is your eye-test assessment of DLO compared to those guys in the list? Some of those guys seems to be better athletes, but more importantly each of those guys does certain things very well and have carved their own place in the league.

I've literally watched none of DLO in Brooklyn besides some highlights, so genuinely curious how you compare him to other top guards (if he's gonna get paid like one.)

The next step for him honestly is being a lot more confident about himself. As of right now, he is more of a system player that is developed under Kenny's system. While he'll make big shots, it's not consistent enough to say he has the killer mentality. However, if he ever gets that confidence I do see him as a mold between Steph Curry and James Harden on his optimal peak. Basically not as good of a shooter as steph, but just as crafty. Not as strong as James Harden, but has the utilities to be just as good of a scorer. Then again he is 22 so he has plenty of time to prove himself.

Other minor areas where he can improve is his physical development. This is majority of the reason why he avoids contact and doesn't get to the line. But again he is only 22.

[sean1913]

no. you give him 5 at about 100 and say thank your stars kid. it gives them room and he won't get a full max from anyone else.

[MrDollarBills]

He is an all star because of lack of selections in the east, not because he is one of the best guards.

Go check Russell's numbers on the season compared to Lowry and Oladipo's and get back to us.

I bet you won't.

Dudes talk a lot of **** on the general board without many facts to back it up.

wait what? so... you agreed that he is only selected because he is in the east?
If you want to prove me wrong you should compare him to the guards in western conference.
you should really think about what you are being angry about before being so offended.

He is an all star because he is one of the best players in his conference...just like how every all star has been picked for the last 60+ years.

[Paradise]

Brooklyn, a small market?

Agree with the rest.

lol

I get what you're saying but market size in the NBA is kind of weirdly defined. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Washington, and Denver are all top 20 in terms of media market size, and yet they're consistently referred to as being small market teams. What people really mean by small market is some version of: Is this a desirable free agent destination? In that sense, Brooklyn is a small-market team.

It’s not weirdly defined. It’s only weirdly defined by uneducated snarky trolling fans throughout twitter and all media who are usually too lazy to research their own imaginative facts.

We’re 6th in franchise value and have been a Top 10 valued franchise SINCE the move to Brooklyn. We’re also pumping ticket revenue into the league since 2012 and blessed the league with our high payroll tax bill in 2014. Our highest valued spot in Forbes was 4th in 2012. We’ve ranked higher than Chicago, Houston, Miami and plenty others during LOSING seasons.

All articles by Woj and others like Zach Lowe recently state how much agents are closely paying attention to Brooklyn. It’s an untapped large market like the Clippers, Raptors or pretty much any team that hasn’t contended for a title yet. It has never been a small market. That was the NJ era which prompted the move. Period.

[LakersSoul]

Better question is why wouldn't you? Dude is coming into his own right now.

Yes but not there yet.

Dlo deserves 5/110 level or about $22 million per at his current level. You could even throw him an early out after 3 years. That’s the path I would take but not sure other desperate teams would not throw $25 to $28 million average for 3 years.

[wutevahung]

Go check Russell's numbers on the season compared to Lowry and Oladipo's and get back to us.

I bet you won't.

Dudes talk a lot of **** on the general board without many facts to back it up.

wait what? so... you agreed that he is only selected because he is in the east?
If you want to prove me wrong you should compare him to the guards in western conference.
you should really think about what you are being angry about before being so offended.

He is an all star because he is one of the best players in his conference...just like how every all star has been picked for the last 60+ years.

Ok, Glad to see that you agree with me.

[DaPessimist]

Hell no. He's a solid starting PG who plays no defense. Don't let making an All-Star game in the Leastern Conference cloud your view.