It's been 5 yrs. Can we now say Andrew Wiggins is a Bust?

[Ballerhogger]

When I think of bust I think of kwame brown . Wiggins is pretty decent guys

Kwame Brown eventually carved out a role as a low usage guy who played some defense.

The simple fact that he was low usage made him better than Wiggins, who actively hurts his team by being on the court at all times, and hurts it more the more often he touches the ball.

Oh come on he’s scoring quite bit this year .

[LakerLegend]

Is Wiggins what he is because he lacks innate basketball talent(IQ, skillset, instinctual feel for the game, passion) or does he just not have the work ethic and desire?

[brutalitops]

he is literally a jumpshot away from being a combo between JRich and Corey Magette. I don't think he's gonna get there though.

If he could hit the 3 ball at a decent clip and not settle for trash jumpers i'ld be ok with what he's making. Has this issue of not having confidence putting the ball in the deck and takes contested 2's all the time

Sometimes it clicks. Watch him battle PG earlier in the season. He took on the in form wing of the league and beat him, Then he'll have 5 putrid games. It's absolutely fustraiting because you know he can, he's shown he can, He just hasnt figured it out yet

[RSP83]

mental midget, 3rd scoring option paid like a superstar. He's not a bust, just beneficiary of an idiotic front office.

[DusterBuster]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

[BR0D1E86]

When I think of bust I think of kwame brown . Wiggins is pretty decent guys

Kwame Brown eventually carved out a role as a low usage guy who played some defense.

The simple fact that he was low usage made him better than Wiggins, who actively hurts his team by being on the court at all times, and hurts it more the more often he touches the ball.

Oh come on he’s scoring quite bit this year .

I grant you that he’s averaging almost 18 points per game this year. He’s doing so on 17 shots a game with a true shooting percent of .480, which isn’t just bad, it’s absurdly low. His career number is only .520, which is also way below average.

For his career he’s played like a fringe roster talent. This season he’s played like a guy that barely belongs in the G League.

[jfs1000d]

This is always who he was going to be. When you saw him at Kansas, motor was the question. He just doesn’t play with enough pace and purpose.

He looks like he looked at Kansas. Everyone knew Embiid was the future star. Luckily for the 76ers, he got hurt and dropped from 1 to 3.

So much for the draft of kings. Parker has been ok, but not great.


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[TheFinishSniper]

He is just Joe Smith of his draft.

[iggymcfrack]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

Give me 105 games of Oden over a whole career of WIggins any day.

[13th Man]

Is Wiggins what he is because he lacks innate basketball talent(IQ, skillset, instinctual feel for the game, passion) or does he just not have the work ethic and desire?

I think it's both; probably due to 70%/30% respectively.

[KnicksGadfly]

Would guys like Wiggins or Bargnani been given so many chances if they hadn't been drafted where they were?

[iggymcfrack]

I think Bargnani’s a pretty good comparison for WIggins. Averaged as much as 21.4 PPG and remained a starter for most of his career, but didn’t do anything else well at all and bounced around the league for a while before teams eventually gave up on him. Only difference is that Bargnani at least had decent efficiency while WIggins can’t even manage that.

[leolozon]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

"A draft bust occurs when a highly touted or highly selected draftee does not meet expectations." Is also a definition of a bust.

He's a bust. He hurts his team by being on the floor. If it wasn't for that dumb contract, he would be on a bench playing 10 minutes a game on a bad team. I'm certain the Wolves would have a better record if they decided to sit Wiggins for the rest of the season. Just give his shots to pretty much anyone else in the league and they would do better with them. His TS% is .481... Who would do worst than that?

He needs nearly 17 shots and over 4 FTs to score 18ppg. He turns the ball over nearly as much as he has assists. He doesn't play good defense despite having all the tools.

He's a net negative player. How is that not a bust for a number 1 pick?

Wiggins is hurting the Wolves more than Bennett. But I guess it's the GM's fault for giving him that contract a year before he had to while nothing was indicating that Wiggins was a good player.

[DusterBuster]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

Give me 105 games of Oden over a whole career of WIggins any day.

This is a bad take.

[DusterBuster]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

"A draft bust occurs when a highly touted or highly selected draftee does not meet expectations." Is also a definition of a bust.

He's a bust. He hurts his team by being on the floor. If it wasn't for that dumb contract, he would be on a bench playing 10 minutes a game on a bad team.

He needs nearly 17 shots and over 4 FTs to score 18ppg. He turns the ball over nearly as much as he has assists. He doesn't play good defense despite having all the tools.

He's a net negative player. How is that not a bust for a number 1 pick?

Wiggins is hurting the Wolves more than Bennett. But I guess it's the GM's fault for giving him that contract a year before he had to while nothing was indicating that Wiggins was a good player.

You put quotes around that as though that's a textbook definition, when its actually your opinion.

[iggymcfrack]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

Give me 105 games of Oden over a whole career of WIggins any day.

This is a bad take.

Why? Oden was really good when he was actually playing. He may not have spent a bunch of time on the court, but when he was out there he was having a clear positive impact on both ends. If Wiggins never played a game for the Wolves, would they have won even one game less? They might have done better. At the very least they could have used all those minutes to develop other players who might have actually turned into something.

[leolozon]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

"A draft bust occurs when a highly touted or highly selected draftee does not meet expectations." Is also a definition of a bust.

He's a bust. He hurts his team by being on the floor. If it wasn't for that dumb contract, he would be on a bench playing 10 minutes a game on a bad team.

He needs nearly 17 shots and over 4 FTs to score 18ppg. He turns the ball over nearly as much as he has assists. He doesn't play good defense despite having all the tools.

He's a net negative player. How is that not a bust for a number 1 pick?

Wiggins is hurting the Wolves more than Bennett. But I guess it's the GM's fault for giving him that contract a year before he had to while nothing was indicating that Wiggins was a good player.

You put quotes around that as though that's a textbook definition, when its actually your opinion.

Yes... that's why I wrote "is also the definition of a bust." I found that on wiki on the draft page.

And your definition of a bust is your opinion. Thank you for understanding my point.

[sixerswillrule]

He's not a bust... stop it. Busts are guys like Oden or Bennett. Guys who barely even made a dent in the league for one reason or another.

Wiggins is a pro level talent, he's not an All Star level like he should be, but that doesn't make him a bust, it makes him a disappointment.

"A draft bust occurs when a highly touted or highly selected draftee does not meet expectations." Is also a definition of a bust.

He's a bust. He hurts his team by being on the floor. If it wasn't for that dumb contract, he would be on a bench playing 10 minutes a game on a bad team.

He needs nearly 17 shots and over 4 FTs to score 18ppg. He turns the ball over nearly as much as he has assists. He doesn't play good defense despite having all the tools.

He's a net negative player. How is that not a bust for a number 1 pick?

Wiggins is hurting the Wolves more than Bennett. But I guess it's the GM's fault for giving him that contract a year before he had to while nothing was indicating that Wiggins was a good player.

You put quotes around that as though that's a textbook definition, when its actually your opinion.

Right, there's no textbook definition. But he's more than just "a disappointment" as you put it. I mean if he were a top 40 player who never becomes an all-star, that would be a disappointment. He's a borderline top 100 player right now. That's a massive disappointment. Based on that it seems reasonable to call him a bust, even though there might be other players who busted to a greater degree.

[DusterBuster]

Give me 105 games of Oden over a whole career of WIggins any day.

This is a bad take.

Why? Oden was really good when he was actually playing. He may not have spent a bunch of time on the court, but when he was out there he was having a clear positive impact on both ends. If Wiggins never played a game for the Wolves, would they have won even one game less? They might have done better.

He wasn't that good in those 105 games (over like 4 years). At best, he had a solid 2 week run his one and only semi-healthy season.

It's dumb to say you'd want a player who's body literally couldn't handle the NBA over a functional (if flawed) player. You may as well just say you'd rather have nothing than Wiggins because that's essentially what you're saying here.

[iggymcfrack]

This is a bad take.

Why? Oden was really good when he was actually playing. He may not have spent a bunch of time on the court, but when he was out there he was having a clear positive impact on both ends. If Wiggins never played a game for the Wolves, would they have won even one game less? They might have done better.

He wasn't that good in those 105 games (over like 4 years). At best, he had a solid 2 week run his one and only semi-healthy season.

It's dumb to say you'd want a player who's body literally couldn't handle the NBA over a functional (if flawed) player. You may as well just say you'd rather have nothing than Wiggins because that's essentially what you're saying here.

I’d say a little over a season of Oden is probably worth $10-$12MM in a vacuum. He was an above average center when he was playing. Wiggins if used properly is probably worth ~$1.6MM/year for his first 5 years until his years of experience make a minimum contract too expensive for him to have value as a 14th man. So maybe $8MM in total value.