Andrew Wiggins and the wolves future

[McHalesBurner]

I flat out don't think his trade value would get any lower if he was a 20-minute bench microwave. Certainly, his value will never go up, he'll never get significantly better, pretty sure of that. The organization just has to swallow their pride and bring a max player off of the bench.

In theory this is correct, but in reality it's not. Players see contract amounts as status indicators. Paying Wiggins this amount in any role is going to screw with the minds of the rest of the team. Remember when Sean Kemp demanded a trade because Jim McIlvaine was making more money than him? How about when Marbury demanded a trade because his contract couldn't be as high as KG's?

The Wolves need to dump this bum!

[Murphs56]

At this point I dont think effort is his worst issue. Maybe he could use more effort and play a bit harder but I'm starting to think, he's just bad at basketball. He's just not that good. Basically a super athletic, physically gifted guy with no real talent for the game. No level of coaching or criticism will turn him into a good player. It's like a guy who is really tough, can hit like a mac truck, and is really nimble on his feet. Got all the physical tools to be a great boxer but with zero mental ability/know how. In HS his physical gifts were so great they compensated for everything. In college he was still able to dominate with them. NBA, he can't keep up.

Frustrating to watch. Even when he's good, it's because he's making the ridiculously difficult shots he usually misses. The athleticism that was once off the charts seems to be non-existent. 27 Dunks on the entire year. He had 84 his second year. His handle has never improved and I don't think I've ever seen a player of his abilities with worse hands. Those things are like Bricks. Any loose ball, you just know he's not coming up with it.

[packforfreedom]

At this point I dont think effort is his worst issue. Maybe he could use more effort and play a bit harder but I'm starting to think, he's just bad at basketball. He's just not that good. Basically a super athletic, physically gifted guy with no real talent for the game. No level of coaching or criticism will turn him into a good player. It's like a guy who is really tough, can hit like a mac truck, and is really nimble on his feet. Got all the physical tools to be a great boxer but with zero mental ability/know how. In HS his physical gifts were so great they compensated for everything. In college he was still able to dominate with them. NBA, he can't keep up.

pretty much this. He's lacking so many intangibles like reaction time, effort, court awareness, decision making, coordination, feel for the game and after that there are his flaws in actual skill: Ball handling, shooting, passing.

This is just too much too overcome.

he'd probably be more successful as a track athlete.

[packforfreedom]

At this point I dont think effort is his worst issue. Maybe he could use more effort and play a bit harder but I'm starting to think, he's just bad at basketball. He's just not that good. Basically a super athletic, physically gifted guy with no real talent for the game. No level of coaching or criticism will turn him into a good player. It's like a guy who is really tough, can hit like a mac truck, and is really nimble on his feet. Got all the physical tools to be a great boxer but with zero mental ability/know how. In HS his physical gifts were so great they compensated for everything. In college he was still able to dominate with them. NBA, he can't keep up.

Frustrating to watch. Even when he's good, it's because he's making the ridiculously difficult shots he usually misses.

very good point. This is why his good games aren't sustainable. He's taking the same shots and 1/10 games, they all go in, and he looks like Kobe.

[wolfen]

At this point I dont think effort is his worst issue. Maybe he could use more effort and play a bit harder but I'm starting to think, he's just bad at basketball. He's just not that good. Basically a super athletic, physically gifted guy with no real talent for the game. No level of coaching or criticism will turn him into a good player. It's like a guy who is really tough, can hit like a mac truck, and is really nimble on his feet. Got all the physical tools to be a great boxer but with zero mental ability/know how. In HS his physical gifts were so great they compensated for everything. In college he was still able to dominate with them. NBA, he can't keep up.

Frustrating to watch. Even when he's good, it's because he's making the ridiculously difficult shots he usually misses.

very good point. This is why his good games aren't sustainable. He's taking the same shots and 1/10 games, they all go in, and he looks like Kobe.

For whatever reason, he seems to play his best and most efficient against a few certain teams - the Cavs are one of them, I think. Can't remember the others. Do you think those front offices of those teams see him perform on their court and maybe would actually make a deal for the kid?

[wolfen]

I flat out don't think his trade value would get any lower if he was a 20-minute bench microwave. Certainly, his value will never go up, he'll never get significantly better, pretty sure of that. The organization just has to swallow their pride and bring a max player off of the bench.

In theory this is correct, but in reality it's not. Players see contract amounts as status indicators. Paying Wiggins this amount in any role is going to screw with the minds of the rest of the team. Remember when Sean Kemp demanded a trade because Jim McIlvaine was making more money than him? How about when Marbury demanded a trade because his contract couldn't be as high as KG's?

The Wolves need to dump this bum!

Ya, you can't really just dump him or cut him, that would be worse than bringing him off the bench. Just found this article today from Rand that debates Wigs off the bench.

http://www.startribune.com/renewing-the-argument-that-andrew-wiggins-should-come-off-the-bench/505724112/

[Jedzz]

I flat out don't think his trade value would get any lower if he was a 20-minute bench microwave. Certainly, his value will never go up, he'll never get significantly better, pretty sure of that. The organization just has to swallow their pride and bring a max player off of the bench.

In theory this is correct, but in reality it's not. Players see contract amounts as status indicators. Paying Wiggins this amount in any role is going to screw with the minds of the rest of the team. Remember when Sean Kemp demanded a trade because Jim McIlvaine was making more money than him? How about when Marbury demanded a trade because his contract couldn't be as high as KG's?

The Wolves need to dump this bum!

Ya, you can't really just dump him or cut him, that would be worse than bringing him off the bench. Just found this article today from Rand that debates Wigs off the bench.

http://www.startribune.com/renewing-the-argument-that-andrew-wiggins-should-come-off-the-bench/505724112/

From that article:

Seeing the Wolves pile up 130 points in a win over the Clippers on Monday while Wiggins was out sick shouldn’t serve as some sort of SMOKING GUN Exhibit A considering it was just one game

This article was posted one day before the Rockets game. The author probably thought there was no chance the Wolves beat the Rockets following his article airing.

Ok, so...follow up article time. It's now two games. 32-27 Clippers trounced. 33-24 Rockets bounced.
So, Wiggins...yeah who needs him?

I don't think it matters whether Wiggins is there or not because the team is deeper than many admit.

Wolves sitting 5 or more games back from all these teams that they like to compete well with at times. But then drop games constantly that should be easier for them. It's our team's MO. They are not always competing at the level they really can. What else explains missing Wiggins, Tyus, RoCo and winning these games anyway? Anyone who watched that Rockets game knows how fast paced that game started with. At half time interviews Dario looked like he might pass out. They were giving lots of effort in this game and it's an ambidextrous team. The key is the coach being able to spin them the right way.

[Streakers33]

My honest thoughts..
thibs and jimmy drama has hurt the emotions of this team. Gorgi and Wiggins have capped us.. a drastic change should be explored. New coach.. some new players.. effort should be the new motto for the squad.. okogie’s fire should be the motto..
If it takes a few picks, we deserve a competing team around towns.. Wiggins for holiday should be explored. We should move on from dreaming of draft picks panning out. And use them to build this roster right.. just my thoughts. Towns,Roco’s time is now..




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2019 BAT
Jrue holiday. Jeff Teague.
Josh okogie. Andre Roberson.
Klay Thompson. Kelly oubre Jr
Gorgi dieng
Montrezi Harrell Jakob poeltl.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I wonder what Kat thinks of Wiggins.. they seem to get along and all but surely Kat reckons he is s**t.. I watch Kat when Andrew throws up those long twos and Kat always starts looking for boards, like he knows Wiggins will miss it

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[King Ken]

I would bring him off of the bench. Okogie and RoCo are much better than Wiggins

[Killboard]

Wiggins should be pressed right now to take most of the offensive responabilities. There are 2 chances: he turns around his game completely or we got more ping pong balls and he is completely exposed as a failure. Anything else is be easy on him and he dont deserve that being a max player. If we want Taylor consider to trade him this can be the way to go.

[alabamawolf]

My honest thoughts..
thibs and jimmy drama has hurt the emotions of this team. Gorgi and Wiggins have capped us.. a drastic change should be explored. New coach.. some new players.. effort should be the new motto for the squad.. okogie’s fire should be the motto..
If it takes a few picks, we deserve a competing team around towns.. Wiggins for holiday should be explored. We should move on from dreaming of draft picks panning out. And use them to build this roster right.. just my thoughts. Towns,Roco’s time is now..




———————-
2019 BAT
Jrue holiday. Jeff Teague.
Josh okogie. Andre Roberson.
Klay Thompson. Kelly oubre Jr
Gorgi dieng
Montrezi Harrell Jakob poeltl.

Jrue would be a great fit next to KAT and Covington. Good two way guard that can get points if the Defense sags off him to defend KAT.

[walk with me]

Trade Wiggins at any cost... it’s addition by subtraction no matter who’s added. If someone of value can be added it’s a bonus.

[Worm Guts]

My honest thoughts..
thibs and jimmy drama has hurt the emotions of this team. Gorgi and Wiggins have capped us.. a drastic change should be explored. New coach.. some new players.. effort should be the new motto for the squad.. okogie’s fire should be the motto..
If it takes a few picks, we deserve a competing team around towns.. Wiggins for holiday should be explored. We should move on from dreaming of draft picks panning out. And use them to build this roster right.. just my thoughts. Towns,Roco’s time is now..




———————-
2019 BAT
Jrue holiday. Jeff Teague.
Josh okogie. Andre Roberson.
Klay Thompson. Kelly oubre Jr
Gorgi dieng
Montrezi Harrell Jakob poeltl.

The problem is we don’t have any trade assets and no one wants to sign here. We’re going to need some time to build assets and for bad contracts to become less bad(less years).

[Jedzz]

Trade Wiggins at any cost... it’s addition by subtraction no matter who’s added. If someone of value can be added it’s a bonus.

I'm not sure about just any cost being worth it. You can remove him by sitting him too, and the team as is seems to play better. Sitting him means you don't throw away draft picks just to move him. It's an option to sit him.

[Neeva]

Jrue holiday is so overated jesus.
Look he and davis( and randall) couldn’t even get more wins than a depleted drama filled wolves roster ...

[mplsfonz23]

First of all, I don't know how many times we have to repeat that Wiggins is UNTRADEABLE.

That said, I don't understand Wiggins. First I thought he would be good but needed time.
Then I thought when Thibs came and demanded Wiggins play ISO ball that kind of screwed him up and that's all he did. Didn't care to play D, rebound, etc.
And then came Butler and took over the alpha male role, called Wiggins soft and he reverted into a shell. (Mentally weak)
Then once Thibs got fired and he had a sit down with Ryan and I thought he could turn the corner. And he did for a few games, then he went back too his old self.
I think he took the trading of LaVine personal and quickly found out how the business works.

All we can do is watch and hope he works out hard over the summer and see if he indeed tries to make the all star squad.

I do think the coaching staff should stay in place. He's had ALOT in his 5 years in the league.

A good question someone asked, wonder what Towns thinks of Wiggins.

[mplsfonz23]

Jrue holiday is so overated jesus.
Look he and davis( and randall) couldn’t even get more wins than a depleted drama filled wolves roster ...

Overpaid? Yes. But overrated? Not sure what more he can do. That team is terrible and the coach is also.
The only way I take him is in a str8 swap for Wiggins.

[Folklore]

Now is the time to buy wigg out if possible.He clearly doesn't have the brains, talent and heart for the sport. He's already been paid from daddy Glen since signing the contract. So Glen should realize the KG was right in tat he doesn't know anything about basketball and give him his lump sum now so he can stay home and watch his kid grow.I'd much rather watch C Brew play with heart rather than seeing wigg play. Jimmy didn't hold his tongue but I could understand watching wigg trot up n down the court knowing that he's getting most of the money and because of that the team wouldn't get help anytime soon.And the owner is an idiot along with the coach and assistant GM who should have been fired along with Thibs.We should have traded away Taj and Rose for anything long term.Robert Williams from Boston for Taj or a late 1st or a second for Rose should have been possible.

[Worm Guts]

You can’t really buy him out. If you could get the salary off the books, that would be something you could consider, but it just locks that salary in for the next 4 seasons, removing all hope for improvement or a trade.