Political Roundtable Part XXV

[stilldropin20]

lol, nate, you dumb muphuckaaaaaa are you serious? you really don't find anything wrong with SD?! you're just going sit on your maga lard azz out in the middle of flyover country pretending everything's good?! wake up!!!! HE NOT POSTING IN GOOD FAITH. he's screaming into the void, trying to bait people into engaging with him because he's a sad, insecure, lonely man.

sad sad sad.

but it looks like you're in his pocket? you MAGA LOSERS all stick together? i guess it doesn't matter that your wife isn't f&cksing you anymore, since you've got SD? load up on the vasoline.

at this point i don't suppose there's anything this board can do to convince you otherwise. keep him here so that discussion can be fair and balanced? keep him here because he's speaking truth to power? keep him here because he's a net positive to the board? keep him here because he sticks a "ph" in his motherfu*ckers and magically transforms his tone from hostile to thoughtful? weird future you're drumming up.

but on a more serious note, i really don't think you or SD really grasp what a conspiracy is, or what the point of an investigation is. having Trump say no collusion two years ago means nothing. undergoing an investigation and producing results that evidence that means everything. allowing the process to happen matters. not undermining the legitimacy of government actions matter. if i get pulled over at a DUI checkpoint, i don't get to pass by insisting that i'm sober. i don't get to try to threaten to fire the cop to get out of blowing into the breathalizer, and me being sober doesn't somehow change that calculus. after blowing clean, i don't get to say the government is conspiring to convict me of a DUI. and if the cop piles on other non-DUI charges like broken taillight, or if my passenger sparked a joint in front of him during the stop and we both get hit with possession charges, i don't get to say that just bc i passed the breathalizer, i've committed no crimes.

not bad...enough there at the beginning to entertain us and get us reading...then hit is with your spam later at the end...but seriously...tell us the truth...you totally fondled yourself while writing that, didn't you!

[gtn130]

lol, nate, you dumb muphuckaaaaaa are you serious? you really don't find anything wrong with SD?! you're just going sit on your maga lard azz out in the middle of flyover country pretending everything's good?! wake up!!!! HE NOT POSTING IN GOOD FAITH. he's screaming into the void, trying to bait people into engaging with him because he's a sad, insecure, lonely man.

sad sad sad.

but it looks like you're in his pocket? you MAGA LOSERS all stick together? i guess it doesn't matter that your wife isn't f&cksing you anymore, since you've got SD? load up on the vasoline.

at this point i don't suppose there's anything this board can do to convince you otherwise. keep him here so that discussion can be fair and balanced? keep him here because he's speaking truth to power? keep him here because he's a net positive to the board? keep him here because he sticks a "ph" in his motherfu*ckers and magically transforms his tone from hostile to thoughtful? weird future you're drumming up.

but on a more serious note, i really don't think you or SD really grasp what a conspiracy is, or what the point of an investigation is. having Trump say no collusion two years ago means nothing. undergoing an investigation and producing results that evidence that means everything. allowing the process to happen matters. not undermining the legitimacy of government actions matter. if i get pulled over at a DUI checkpoint, i don't get to pass by insisting that i'm sober. i don't get to try to threaten to fire the cop to get out of blowing into the breathalizer, and me being sober doesn't somehow change that calculus. after blowing clean, i don't get to say the government is conspiring to convict me of a DUI. and if the cop piles on other non-DUI charges like broken taillight, or if my passenger sparked a joint in front of him during the stop and we both get hit with possession charges, i don't get to say that just bc i passed the breathalizer, i've committed no crimes.

Spoiler:

[nate33]

but on a more serious note, i really don't think you or SD really grasp what a conspiracy is, or what the point of an investigation is. having Trump say no collusion two years ago means nothing. undergoing an investigation and producing results that evidence that means everything. allowing the process to happen matters. not undermining the legitimacy of government actions matter. if i get pulled over at a DUI checkpoint, i don't get to pass by insisting that i'm sober. i don't get to try to threaten to fire the cop to get out of blowing into the breathalizer, and me being sober doesn't somehow change that calculus. after blowing clean, i don't get to say the government is conspiring to convict me of a DUI. and if the cop piles on other non-DUI charges like broken taillight, or if my passenger sparked a joint in front of him during the stop and we both get hit with possession charges, i don't get to say that just bc i passed the breathalizer, i've committed no crimes.

To further this analogy, this DUI checkpoint followed Trump's people around. They put up a checkpoint at every Trump employee's neighborhood. They sprung DUI checkpoints specifically on Trump personnel when they drove home from a friend's house on Super Bowl Sunday, hoping to catch them with a .08. When they didn't blow a .08, they took them into custody and questioned them for hours, asking if their boss has ever committed a crime of any sort. They then repeated the process months later, and when the questions yielded conflicting information, they imprisoned them for perjury unless they flipped on their boss.

[nate33]

lol, nate, you dumb muphuckaaaaaa are you serious? you really don't find anything wrong with SD?! you're just going sit on your maga lard azz out in the middle of flyover country pretending everything's good?! wake up!!!! HE NOT POSTING IN GOOD FAITH. he's screaming into the void, trying to bait people into engaging with him because he's a sad, insecure, lonely man.

sad sad sad.

but it looks like you're in his pocket? you MAGA LOSERS all stick together? i guess it doesn't matter that your wife isn't f&cksing you anymore, since you've got SD? load up on the vasoline.

at this point i don't suppose there's anything this board can do to convince you otherwise. keep him here so that discussion can be fair and balanced? keep him here because he's speaking truth to power? keep him here because he's a net positive to the board? keep him here because he sticks a "ph" in his motherfu*ckers and magically transforms his tone from hostile to thoughtful? weird future you're drumming up.

but on a more serious note, i really don't think you or SD really grasp what a conspiracy is, or what the point of an investigation is. having Trump say no collusion two years ago means nothing. undergoing an investigation and producing results that evidence that means everything. allowing the process to happen matters. not undermining the legitimacy of government actions matter. if i get pulled over at a DUI checkpoint, i don't get to pass by insisting that i'm sober. i don't get to try to threaten to fire the cop to get out of blowing into the breathalizer, and me being sober doesn't somehow change that calculus. after blowing clean, i don't get to say the government is conspiring to convict me of a DUI. and if the cop piles on other non-DUI charges like broken taillight, or if my passenger sparked a joint in front of him during the stop and we both get hit with possession charges, i don't get to say that just bc i passed the breathalizer, i've committed no crimes.

not bad...enough there at the beginning to entertain us and get us reading...then hit is with your spam later at the end...but seriously...tell us the truth...you totally fondled yourself while writing that, didn't you!

This isn't helping SD20.

I like that you tirelessly post to refute the echo chamber in here, but please do it without the insults and vivid imagery.

[pancakes3]

yeah but if it was a deep state conspiracy/hoax, they would just plant evidence. that's why corrupt cops bust tail lights when they don't find anything. weird move to only hoax the investigation but not any underlying crimes. ergo, not a hoax investigation so stop calling it that.

[stilldropin20]

yeah but if it was a deep state conspiracy/hoax, they would just plant evidence. that's why corrupt cops bust tail lights when they don't find anything. weird move to only hoax the investigation but not any underlying crimes. ergo, not a hoax investigation so stop calling it that.

what about this hoax?

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[nate33]

yeah but if it was a deep state conspiracy/hoax, they would just plant evidence. that's why corrupt cops bust tail lights when they don't find anything. weird move to only hoax the investigation but not any underlying crimes. ergo, not a hoax investigation so stop calling it that.

There was planted evidence... or close to it. They used Mifsud to tell Papadopolous that Russians stole the emails. Then then had Alexander Downer ask questions of Papadopolous whether he knew anything about stolen Russian emails. And when Papa D said he heard something about them, they used it as a justification to start an investigation.

[gtn130]

How is this thread an echo chamber?

Nobody really agrees on much except that they, along with 60+% of the country, strongly dislike Trump. Of the 35-40% who like Trump, many can't read or write, have never used a computer and are 70+ years old, so they're not expected to be posting here.

[Jamaaliver]

There was planted evidence... or close to it. They used Mifsud to tell Papadopolous that Russians stole the emails. Then then had Alexander Downer ask questions of Papadopolous whether he knew anything about stolen Russian emails. And when Papa D said he heard something about them, they used it as a justification to start an investigation.

I'm curious where you stood when GOP led investigations of Benghazi were dragging into year 4...during an election year...when the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee was being brought in front of the GOP led Senate for the umpteenth time.

Which literally led to no new charges or new information.

[Jamaaliver]

Ex-Massachusetts governor to challenge Trump for GOP nod

William Weld, a former Massachusetts governor who ran for vice president on the Libertarian Party ticket in 2016, became the first Republican to take a serious step toward challenging President Donald Trump in 2020.

Speaking Friday at a breakfast in New Hampshire, Weld said he has created a presidential exploratory committee. He blasted Trump for leaving the nation in "grave peril."

"We have a president whose priorities are skewed towards promotion of himself rather than for the good of the country," Weld said. "He may have great energy and considerable raw talent but he does not use that in ways that promote democracy, truth, justice and equal opportunity for all. To compound matters, our president is simply too unstable to carry out the duties of the highest executive office in the land."

The move makes Trump the first incumbent president since George H.W. Bush in 1992 to face a notable primary challenge. Other Republicans eyeing a presidential campaign include former Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

Associated Press

[Jamaaliver]

Finally, some long overdue liberal criticism of the very green/naive AOC.

‘Morning Joe’ Rips Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Over Amazon Pull-Out: ‘She Only Cares About Herself’

The set of “Morning Joe” was not happy about the decision by Amazon to pull out of their new planned headquarters in New York City yesterday, laying the blame for the decision at the feet of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and fellow recalcitrant progressive lawmakers.

On set there was near unanimity that Ocasio-Cortez did not understand the broader situation and was unfamiliar with basic economics.

On set, there was also much discussion about how public polling generally showed that ordinary New Yorkers had supported Amazon’s plan, including large majorities of black and Latino voters.

“End of the line, the people who wanted the jobs the least to come to the area were white elites in Manhattan, according to all of the polls,” Joe Scarborough added.

Even Mika Brzezinski, typically sympathetic to Ocasio-Cortez, said the whole situation made her “cringe.”

“She needs to follow some of the more successful more mature members. I would suggest Nancy Pelosi would be a great example,” she said.

The Wrap

[gtn130]

Yes, billionaires, media elites and 'centrists' all hate AOC. This is a feature, not a bug. Hating on AOC puts you on the wrong side of history.

[nate33]

How is this thread an echo chamber?

Nobody really agrees on much except that they, along with 60+% of the country, strongly dislike Trump. Of the 35-40% who like Trump, many can't read or write, have never used a computer and are 70+ years old, so they're not expected to be posting here.

And yet, Trump won the election.

[nate33]

There was planted evidence... or close to it. They used Mifsud to tell Papadopolous that Russians stole the emails. Then then had Alexander Downer ask questions of Papadopolous whether he knew anything about stolen Russian emails. And when Papa D said he heard something about them, they used it as a justification to start an investigation.

I'm curious where you stood when GOP led investigations of Benghazi were dragging into year 4...during an election year...when the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee was being brought in front of the GOP led Senate for the umpteenth time.

Which literally led to no new charges or new information.

To tell you the truth, I didn't follow the Benghazi thing very much.

[I_Like_Dirt]

To tell you the truth, I didn't follow the Benghazi thing very much.

[Jamaaliver]

Yes, billionaires, media elites and 'centrists' all hate AOC. This is a feature, not a bug. Hating on AOC puts you on the wrong side of history.

Questioning a freshman congresswoman with 6 weeks of political experience doesn't put you on any side of history.

It makes you an American.

I question any and every person who makes laws in this country.

No one gets my undying fealty.

Least of all some child with less life experience, work experience, education than me.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Questioning a freshman congresswoman with 6 weeks of political experience doesn't put you on any side of history.

It makes you an American.

I question any and every person who makes laws in this country.

No one gets my undying fealty.

Least of all some child with less life experience, work experience, education than me.

I agreed with you up until your "least of all" part. It's the ones who have been on the job long enough to be thoroughly corrupted or set in their ways to the point where they "know" how things work that are the ones I'm least likely to give the benefit of the doubt to. Experience and education are only helpful insofar as they make a person more willing to learn. If it makes them less willing to learn and set in their ways, they've gone backwards.

[Jamaaliver]

I agreed with you up until your "least of all" part. It's the ones who have been on the job long enough to be thoroughly corrupted or set in their ways to the point where they "know" how things work that are the ones I'm least likely to give the benefit of the doubt to. Experience and education are only helpful insofar as they make a person more willing to learn. If it makes them less willing to learn and set in their ways, they've gone backwards.

And that's a fair critique of my statement.

AOC, specifically, has already been caught using faulty math, logic, reasoning that simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

On a couple of occasions she's already made sweeping statements that were outright erroneous.

She is clearly ambitious, but not truly pragmatic enough to see actual, concrete change. And the fact the RIGHT has targeted her while the LEFT has deified her -- only makes things worse.

[Ruzious]

Next time anyone says the economy's doing great... no, it's not. https://www.axios.com/us-budget-deficit-spikes-fiscal-year-1e946342-c3bd-4ae0-892b-fb9747580277.html U.S. budget deficit spikes 42% in first three months of fiscal year

[gtn130]

Yes, billionaires, media elites and 'centrists' all hate AOC. This is a feature, not a bug. Hating on AOC puts you on the wrong side of history.

Questioning a freshman congresswoman with 6 weeks of political experience doesn't put you on any side of history.

It makes you an American.

I question any and every person who makes laws in this country.

No one gets my undying fealty.

Least of all some child with less life experience, work experience, education than me.

Like 99.99999999999% of AOC criticism is done in bad faith and totally bereft of any serious desire for policy discussion.

Which, to be fair, Serious Policy Discussion™ isn't a prerequisite for having a dialog - AOC herself, like Bernie, is an avatar for broader socioeconomic change, and her policy pronouncements are more about moving the Overton Window than getting into wonky details.

But the point is that people are ultimately attacking what she stands for because it fundamentally threatens their bottom line. See Howard Schultz.