It's been 5 yrs. Can we now say Andrew Wiggins is a Bust?

[mplsfonz23]

[. Wiggins' sole good quality is health--the guy has missed only about 15 games over his entire career.

He missed 3 games, and 2 were this past week. Funny, we won those games. I don't think anyone here is defending Wiggins poor play, but his bust label and bad contract for his production. If he goes second in the draft, then he would get the same treatment as Derrick Williams. Kwame Brown was considered a bust, but kept getting contracts.

[CBS7]

It all depends on your definition of bust.

If you think a bust is someone who's out of the NBA in a few seasons, then no.

But if you think a bust is someone who didn't come close to fulfilling his expectations and draft positioning, then yes, he's absolutely a bust. The latter is my definition. Otherwise you don't think guys like Kwame (played 12 years), Kandi (9 years), Bargs (10 years), Joe Smith (a whopping 16 years), or Bogut (13 years) are busts because they stayed in the NBA for a long time.

Generally if you go #1 and never even come close to sniffing an all star game, you're a pretty huge disappointment, and IMO, bust, no matter how long you last in the league.

Wiggins is putting up 18 points on 17 shots, is a terrible defender, not much of a passer or rebounder, nor a good shooter, and is putting up a 12 PER/.481 TS% in his 5th season. I'd say he's well on his way. He's clearly a detriment to his team and that doesn't change if he's getting paid the league minimum instead of his current insane salary. His lack of development after his 3rd season is a huge reason why the Wolves are in such a mediocre situation.

Yes, he's on the verge of being a bust.

[Duke4life831]

I wouldn’t say bust because he is a serviceable starter.

But he has underperformed to expectations.

Why are people perpetuating this myth? Wiggins IS NOT serviceable and is a DEEP bench player at best.
Look at what Kwame, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, etc. did from 20-25... In what ways are these players "Bust", but Wiggins isnt?

Ya thats what Im not getting. I dont recall people making these kind of arguments for Kwame and Bargnani, people just flat out said they were busts (which they were). The funny thing is, Wiggins arguably has the worst advanced stats out of all of them. Yet there are a good amount of people not willing to call him a bust and say the only reason people are calling him a bust is because his contract.

[mplsfonz23]

I love it when people talk like they know what would have happened. Nostradamus alert! No, he wouldn't have. I know this for a fact!

They do it all the time. Nice try trolling.

Trolling? That's what someone says when they know they're wrong and have nothing else to prove it. Thanks!

And putting faces is a childish way to respond. But stick to your "facts."

[taikibansei]

[. Wiggins' sole good quality is health--the guy has missed only about 15 games over his entire career.

He missed 3 games, and 2 were this past week. Funny, we won those games. I don't think anyone here is defending Wiggins poor play, but his bust label and bad contract for his production. If he goes second in the draft, then he would get the same treatment as Derrick Williams. Kwame Brown was considered a bust, but kept getting contracts.

He's missed six games just this season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01/gamelog/2019/

Again, Wiggins is the only max salary player in NBA history to have never had a season with a positive BPM or VORP over his career. That suggests bust to me.

[Quentin]

They do it all the time. Nice try trolling.

Trolling? That's what someone says when they know they're wrong and have nothing else to prove it. Thanks!

And putting faces is a childish way to respond. But stick to your "facts."

MY facts? You're the guy saying he wouldn't have gotten the max from another team. You have a funny way of stating what "facts" are. Oh and

[Quentin]

[. Wiggins' sole good quality is health--the guy has missed only about 15 games over his entire career.

He missed 3 games, and 2 were this past week. Funny, we won those games. I don't think anyone here is defending Wiggins poor play, but his bust label and bad contract for his production. If he goes second in the draft, then he would get the same treatment as Derrick Williams. Kwame Brown was considered a bust, but kept getting contracts.

He's missed six games just this season.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wiggian01/gamelog/2019/

Again, Wiggins is the only max salary player in NBA history to have never had a season with a positive BPM or VORP over his career. That suggests bust to me.

No, no. These are Mplsfonz "facts".

[Harry Garris]

not a bust but underwhelming. he's not a game changer.

How is he not a bust? A player doesn't have to be Anthony Bennett levels of bad to be a bust. If a first overall pick is a below average NBA player, which Wiggins is, that constitutes a bust in my opinion. That is nowhere near the expected value of a first overall pick.

[taikibansei]

I wouldn’t say bust because he is a serviceable starter.

But he has underperformed to expectations.

Why are people perpetuating this myth? Wiggins IS NOT serviceable and is a DEEP bench player at best.
Look at what Kwame, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, etc. did from 20-25... In what ways are these players "Bust", but Wiggins isnt?

Ya thats what Im not getting. I dont recall people making these kind of arguments for Kwame and Bargnani, people just flat out said they were busts (which they were). The funny thing is, Wiggins arguably has the worst advanced stats out of all of them. Yet there are a good amount of people not willing to call him a bust and say the only reason people are calling him a bust is because his contract.

Yeah, I don't get this either. Wiggins has some of the most loyal fans in basketball...they seem to care about him (much) more than he cares about the game....

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Not sure people understand what a bust actually is.

[NO-KG-AI]

Wiggins was expected to be a star, and he might not even be a net positive. Huge bust.

[mplsfonz23]

Trolling? That's what someone says when they know they're wrong and have nothing else to prove it. Thanks!

And putting faces is a childish way to respond. But stick to your "facts."

MY facts? You're the guy saying he wouldn't have gotten the max from another team. You have a funny way of stating what "facts" are. Oh and

And you are and idiot that can't read. I suggest you go troll somewhere else. I'm done.

[mplsfonz23]

Could somebody please explain why you would sign your rookie to a max extension after his 3rd year? He will be an RFA. What do you have to lose in waiting and matching the best offer he gets? It is not going to be more than the max extension you already signed.
Not specific to Wiggins or Minny. Just looking for the logic behind it.

Glen Taylor is the owner. He wanted a promise from Wiggins that he would improve before he offered the contract. I think it took Wiggins a month before he ended up signing the contract that was sitting in front of him. What was he doing for that month? Having it converted to audio so he could kinda understand it? Was he in the middle of a Fortnite tournament and couldn't be bothered with it? Maybe he was hibernating?

Regardless, GT is a big dumb dope of an owner and that's all you need to know about why? We Wolves fans ask that all the time.

GT may be a dope, but make no mistake, some team was going to offer him the max.

Now I quit. Bye bye now.

[SecondTake]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

[LibertyPrime]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

This is closer to the truth. Heck, if Wiggins was making Jabari Parker or Zach Lavine money then we don't see these threads (again, and again, and again, and again......)

Well, see you all again in two weeks when someone else remakes this exact thread for the thirtieth time!

[HomoSapien]

He's hardly a bust. He's just overpaid. And that isn't his fault.

He has not improved one iota during his time in the NBA. Dude's got to shoulder some of the fault there.

He's certainly a bust in terms of being unable to live up to the hype of a number 1 pick. Still has potential and isn't a total lost cause, but this isn't what you want out of a guy you invest 1st pick in. If you do a redraft, he arguably falls out of the top 5.

[Ayt]

His per dollar impact is a bust.

He would be a serviceable role player at half or less his salary.

He's not a serviceable role player at any salary.

[coldfish]

I wouldn’t say bust because he is a serviceable starter.

But he has underperformed to expectations.

Why are people perpetuating this myth? Wiggins IS NOT serviceable and is a DEEP bench player at best.
Look at what Kwame, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, etc. did from 20-25... In what ways are these players "Bust", but Wiggins isnt?

Ya thats what Im not getting. I dont recall people making these kind of arguments for Kwame and Bargnani, people just flat out said they were busts (which they were). The funny thing is, Wiggins arguably has the worst advanced stats out of all of them. Yet there are a good amount of people not willing to call him a bust and say the only reason people are calling him a bust is because his contract.

I don't get this thread. Wiggins is so far over the threshold for being a bust that he can't even see it from the rear view mirror.

Basically, the argument for him not being a bust revolves around Minnesota letting him be awful in lots of minutes and getting lots of shots. That's crazy. Its not about his contract, nor his draft position. He is an outright bad player.

[Raps in 4]

Yes

[Raps in 4]

A bust isn't capable of putting up 20PPG over 5 seasons. Wiggins is just criminally overpaid.

Anyone can put up 20 PPG with enough shots. Dude is averaging 18 points on 17 shots this year. He's beyond awful.