D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it?

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Re: D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it? 

Post#181 » by ChampionRed » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:30 pm

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I doubt Dlo is willing to take less to stay in Brooklyn. I never knew taking less to stay in Brooklyn was a thing.


Regarding your first sentence - You could be right. No one knows what D-lo is thinking. However, it helps that he credits the Nets with his development, mentions that they believed in him and helped him get to this level.

Regarding your second sentence - I referenced two examples of players (Joe Harris and Spencer Dinwiddie) who so far have taken less than they were or would have been worth on the open market to stay with Brooklyn.


Dinwiddie was a bench guy getting less than $2 million per year. Last year he averaged 12+ points and this year when he signed he was averaging just under 17 ppg as a bench guy. Why would he refuse $11 million for 3 years when Lou Williams signed for $7 million/per? That wasn’t an under pay.

As for Harris,he got $16/2 years when he averaged less than 11 points per game. GSW wanted him but at $5+ exception and possibly not full use of it. He didn’t give the Nets no discount.

Where is the Nets discount that you speak of?


Comparing a younger and improving Dinwiddie to an older vet in Lou Williams is not a fair comparison. Despite that, Dinwiddie was vocal about how he took a discount because he liked Brooklyn. He was eligible for 4/47 and took less.

Joe Harris was also vocal about being loyal to Brooklyn because they revived his career and opted to stay with them on a team friendly deal than search for more money somewhere else.

So to answer your question, the Nets discount I’m speaking of comes right from the players mouths.
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Post#182 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:55 pm

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Hello!!

Lillard. Oladipo.

Hello!! McFly!!

There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving


I agree he went a little too far with this one.

However, so far he is the best PG drafted since Lillard (2012). But I think Fox will end up being better than D'Lo and Trae Young has a decent chance as well.

I don't consider Simmons to be a PG. IMO you play the position that you guard and he guards SF.

Gun to my head I would match a Max offer for D'Lo from another team, but I sure as hell wouldn't be the one who offers it.


Wow!! You would really max out Dlo?
I remember last year when most Nets fans disliked Dlo and the trade. Now, a max offer?


Who are "most" Net fans? Don't let a vocal minority of haters cloud your judgment. Trading Brook Lopez, who the Nets weren't going to keep anyway, and a late 1st for Russell/Mozgov was a fantastic deal for Sean Marks. Especially after Mozgov was flipped for Dwight's expiring contact and Russell became an all star.

Russell will be retained by what the market dictates or what he and the Nets can reach a middle ground on. I have a feeling most of the people who are balking at the Nets paying Russell anything at all haven't watched him play a single minute this season.

It's also funny how people on here suck Oladipo off yet Russell's numbers are flat out better than his was.
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Re: D-Lo's max for the Nets is 5/156...do you pay it? 

Post#183 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:05 pm

DaPessimist wrote:Hell no. He's a solid starting PG who plays no defense. Don't let making an All-Star game in the Leastern Conference cloud your view.


^again, you can tell the folks who haven't watched him play a single minute this season by the ones who immediately use the lazy "no defense" analysis.

He's not going to get 31 million dollars a season, but he definitely will get fair market value, whatever that may be.
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Post#184 » by lonzo_pelota » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:07 pm

i think he's gonna get the aaron gordon treatment, a more than fair offer from the nets but not a max offer
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Post#185 » by LoveTheNBA23 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:27 pm

DLo's all-star game nod might be a blessing and a curse for the Nets. His usage rate went up quite a bit after Levert's injury and even further after Spencer's injury. He did a good job as the new number one option and just barely made it as an all-star. However, I don't see his numbers/usage going any higher than it is now. He gets a ton of shots up (18) to get his 20ppg. Don't think he gets that many ever again in his career. However, he can still improve by increasing his efficiency and playing better defense.

I think becoming an all-star raised his value considerably if not just from a perception level. He may now think he's a MAX player. If the Nets don't offer it, he may go get it from Phoenix. You don't want this to become an Otto Porter type contract.
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Post#186 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:33 pm

How is this 10 pages long, no, absolutely not. His max is way too much. Trade him before you max him.
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Post#187 » by ChampionRed » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:59 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:How is this 10 pages long, no, absolutely not. His max is way too much. Trade him before you max him.


Pretty sure all 10 pages are a mix of posters saying “hell no”, “Nets will sign him for less” and “Dlo sucks”.
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Post#188 » by jonjames » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:06 pm

Yes absolutely.
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Post#189 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:26 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:How is this 10 pages long, no, absolutely not. His max is way too much. Trade him before you max him.


Pretty sure all 10 pages are a mix of posters saying “hell no”, “Nets will sign him for less” and “Dlo sucks”.


He hardly sucks.
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Post#190 » by DaPessimist » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:02 am

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DaPessimist wrote:Hell no. He's a solid starting PG who plays no defense. Don't let making an All-Star game in the Leastern Conference cloud your view.


^again, you can tell the folks who haven't watched him play a single minute this season by the ones who immediately use the lazy "no defense" analysis.

He's not going to get 31 million dollars a season, but he definitely will get fair market value, whatever that may be.



I admit I don't watch a lot of Nets games. But I watched him play with the Lakers enough to know he will never be a good defender. I don't think he's a lazy defender, he just has concrete feet.
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Post#191 » by Black Mage » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:07 am

No chance for a max. I could see 16 mil per over 5 years, maybe 17.
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Post#192 » by dakomish23 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:07 am

I think it comes down to the playoffs. If BKN gives one of these teams a scare, mgmt might want to keep him and then look for pieces to flank him with in FA.
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Post#193 » by GYK » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:19 am

he probably would garner as much as Victor Oladipo. personally would try to sign and trade him to the Suns for picks.
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Post#194 » by MrBigShot » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:03 am

They'd regret it.
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Post#195 » by Pantsman » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:08 am

Hellllll no. Never ever ever ever trust someone in a contract year.
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Post#196 » by thamadkant » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:10 am

they'll let him get an offer, which they will match

its far less than the max
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Post#197 » by THE J0KER » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:24 am

I don't think he is worth MAX contract, but if Nets do not offer it, I'm pretty sure that teams like Orlando, Cleveland or Phoenix will do. Just like in Phoenix case with Devin Booker. It is not about how good is a player, but what is alternate options for that franchise if lose their currently best prospect.
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Post#198 » by Prokorov » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:55 am

pillwenney wrote:First of all, this "offer him half of that" stuff that's always inevitably in these threads is delusional. That's how you lose players that are difficult to replace.

But since he's unrestricted, I don't think you necessarily have to start by offering the max. You can try maybe 5/125 and see if he takes it. If not, the market can decide.

The real question, I suppose, is if another team signs him to a max offer sheet (not sure what that is off hand), do you match? It's that tough situation where he's probably not worth it, but I think you do. It's better to overpay a bit than to lose a guy you can't easily replace.


people here clearly know absolutely nothing about the nets.

There is no "if he signs a max offer sheet". Marks/Russell will have this worked out before FA starts. They will agree on a price and wait to sign him until the nets use all of their cap.

I'm sure russells number will be close to the max. same as the joe harris situation. he wants to be a net, and wont entertain anything nor will he have to because marks will do right by him like he always does
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Post#199 » by Prokorov » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:57 am

DaPessimist wrote:Hell no. He's a solid starting PG who plays no defense. Don't let making an All-Star game in the Leastern Conference cloud your view.


you clearly have watched 0 seconds of russell the past 2 seasons. not only does he play defense, but he is an above average defender. our best G defender by far.
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Post#200 » by Prokorov » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:59 am

LakersSoul wrote:
yanuary wrote:He is the best point guard prospect since Irving(in my opinion he is better). SS potential (just compare him to other crafty point guards like Nash or Curry, when they were 22y).
There is no bad offer for him, 5y max (locked him for 5 not for 4 years) is also good.
He made huge progress during 2018/19 season, around 25/8 efficency player with much better defense in 2019.


Hello!!

Lillard. Oladipo.

Hello!! McFly!!

There is a guy named Ben Simmons. And no way is he better than Irving


i dont see a case or oladipo over russell

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