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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
Total votes: 103

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#1061 » by CP War Hawks » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:06 pm

macd-gm wrote:Why would we take Langford over Culver? I'm asking because i know nothing about these guys but seems like I've heard that Culver is the better prospect.


Just my observation so far:
Langford is more 2 guard. He's a better ball handler, finisher, quicker, play maker, Demarr game but not quite the athlete.

Culver is more of a sf. Bigger, more physical, better rebounder, more NBA ready, better overall defender, Tobias Harris game but smaller and a lesser shooter.

Shooting is fairly even imo. Langford struggled badly in the beginning but he's showing his true shooting as of late like Trae. RL definitely has the higher ceiling offensively. Culver is just the better overall player at this point.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#1062 » by King Ken » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:36 pm

I'll take Culver over Langford but I could make a case for either over the other
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Post#1063 » by EazyRoc » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:11 pm

If I were the Hawks and did not get a top 5 pick, I would try to pick the following players:

DeAndre Hunter - SF - Another high level defender from Virginia. Probably the best prospect out of Virginia in a while (better than Brogdon and Harris). Can shoot the 3 (38% from 3/77% FT) and attack the close out with good athleticism. Good athlete with elite (7ft+) length. Gives great effort and has great positioning and foot work. 6’7” and 225ish so he’s got an NBA body and still has potential at 20-21 to get stronger. He’s almost a sure fire impact perimeter defender in the NBA. High floor, High ceiling. He’s really flying under the radar, but I think he has Kawhi level potential. He needs to improve his handles and playmaking ability big time. That is ultimately what will separate him being an offensive role player and an offensive star.

Romeo Langford - SG/SF - I’ve already said a mouthful about him. He also needs to tighten up his handle and continue making strides as a shooter. Already a very good iso player and PnR initiator. Has a ton of defensive potential, but needs to improve effort here big time. With his elite finishing, very good mid range game, ability to get to the free throw line, and lack of athletic limitations, he really translates well to the NBA as a scorer. I think where he will really need to improve is his ball handling and defensive effort.

(Alternative: Jaxson Hayes - C - High potential defender; PnR finisher; Hustle buckets and putbacks; )

Johntay Porter - C - He would be a Top 10 pick if he didn’t tear his ACL/MCL. This injury only compounds concerns about physical fitness/athleticism. He entered the combine process last year, performed terribly, and returned back to college. Even still, he would’ve been the best big in my eyes if he didn’t get injured and used this season to get in better shape. He checks just about all boxes for the modern day big. He can shoot and pull bigs out of the paint. He’s not a great post player, but he can attack mismatches if you put someone small on him. He’s really good passer. This is what separates him from a lot of bigs. He’s got good basketball IQ all around. Defensively, he’s got a very good understanding of positioning, solid footwork, and decent size to make up for the fact that he’s not a good athlete. Ultimately, that’s what will determines his trajectory in the NBA. If he can come back in better shape than he was before the injury, this guy will be a high level glue guy like Draymond Green/Al Horford.

(Alternative(s): Ty Jerome - SG/PG - Scrappy, good defender, good shooter, good playmaker. Reminds me of Kirk Hinrich

Dedric Lawson - PF - Solid inside/out game with good ball handling and playmaking ability. Good rebounder, solid help defender. Good size @ 6’9” 235. Could even get minutes as a small ball center with a 7’3” wingspan. )

I think this draft fulfills the theme of drafting high skill/high IQ guys but with a focus on adding guys who can be high level defenders. The way this young team is currently trending, we won’t get another shot in the lottery with our own picks. We have to add players who can be impact defenders and fit within our offense as high-level role players/stars.
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Post#1064 » by birdlives_ma » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:06 pm

King Ken wrote:I really dislike Keldon Johnson as a high draft pick. He just doesn't have star or high role player qualities for me. I don't dislike him but it's like Malik Monk for me. I can like you on the college level and just not like you as a pro. For me, he is not a top 18 guy in this draft but 6-25 is wide open on my board so I can see him being that for others.


I know what you mean... You typically want a guy with at least SOME star upside in that 5-8 range. The **** truth though, is this is a 3, maybe 4 man draft, and after that quality role players are all you're gonna find, and even then you're gonna have to be smart about it. Keldon can shoot the hell out of the ball, and has the frame and IQ to be a solid defender. Is he ideal? No way. But if the blue chippers at the top are all gone, I think he's one of the safer bets. I'd definitely rather have him than KZ or Culver.
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Post#1065 » by King Ken » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:23 pm

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King Ken wrote:I really dislike Keldon Johnson as a high draft pick. He just doesn't have star or high role player qualities for me. I don't dislike him but it's like Malik Monk for me. I can like you on the college level and just not like you as a pro. For me, he is not a top 18 guy in this draft but 6-25 is wide open on my board so I can see him being that for others.


I know what you mean... You typically want a guy with at least SOME star upside in that 5-8 range. The **** truth though, is this is a 3, maybe 4 man draft, and after that quality role players are all you're gonna find, and even then you're gonna have to be smart about it. Keldon can shoot the hell out of the ball, and has the frame and IQ to be a solid defender. Is he ideal? No way. But if the blue chippers at the top are all gone, I think he's one of the safer bets. I'd definitely rather have him than KZ or Culver.

Not even, I like Culver and Hunter a lot and neither have star qualities. I just don't project this kid as a high end role player or someone with star potential. His defense project as worse than Bazemore level. His offense projects as a role player. His wingspan is good for a 2 but so-so for a SF. He doesn't shoot a lot. He looks like a poor mans Jimmy Butler potentially. His frame and athletic ability is projectable. Doesn't have a single skill that stands out but doesn't really have a flaw either. Skill development will be critical with him moving forward. Drive will be key as well as fit.

If you are sold you can develop him into a star, be my guess but the level of work ethic he needs will have to be elite or else, you drafting a rotational piece with the level of modern day Bazemore and Bembry
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Post#1066 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:02 pm

King Ken wrote:
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Jamaaliver wrote:

When even strangers from other boards are commenting on your bias against a player, it might be time to take a back seat.

Spoiler:

Culver's in a slump right now. But he isn't a bad shooter.



Culver, 32% from three, and 65% from the free throw line. No, Culver is one of the worst shooting prospects in the draft. As bad as Tyreke when he was with the Kings. Overall, Culver has horrible mechanics to his shot which is just flat out broken.

He is not a bad shooter at all. He is just as good as R.J. at shooting but he doesn't really have the skills or athletic ability to make me want to overlook that he doesn't project as a great shooter. He is starting to solidly lock up #5 for me as Reddish locks up #4. 1-3 is Zion/R.J./Morant



If you are saying that Culver is just as bad of a shooter than RJ Barrett is, then you just make my whole argument for me :thumbsup:

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Post#1067 » by atlantabbq99 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:13 pm

If the Hawks are stuck at 5, they have to take Cam, but if Cam is not available at 5, then you have to go with Nickeil Alexander-Walker. He is the Klay of this year's draft. After that, I have Okpala as a distant 2nd to NAW.

I have a feeling that Bol might take a big jump up after some personal workouts, along with Doumbouya. Hopefully one of those two falls to the Dallas' pick, but if Bol or Doumbouya are picked at #5, I might be ok with that too.
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Post#1068 » by observer1995 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:24 pm

NAW has a nice game and a smooth looking jumper, but I have serious questions of what he can bring on defense. I’m not taking that thestepien article word for word, but if you played in a zone scheme, I have questions of what you can bring, and Virginia Tech plays zone and full court trap.

I also don’t like Klay Thompson as a comp at ALL. I can really only think of one comp though, and it’s maybe a longer Malcolm Brogdon. There’s a decent chance that he might not bring what his cousin’s potential is on defense. I should have mentioned him earlier though, but I was thinking off the top of my head.

If you really think Schlenk is all over shooting and shooting only, then if we’re not projecting out Reddish (which it’s quite possible we’re not or it ends up not mattering) the list gets pretty short then.
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Post#1070 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:31 am

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If you are saying that Culver is just as bad of a shooter than RJ Barrett is, then you just make my whole argument for me

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Dude, you gotta stop judging the kid's shooting potential as a pro based on a still photo from his HS days.

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Post#1071 » by LunchBox21 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:43 am

Keldon Johnson has size and is lighting it up from 3 this year. Considering Calipari prospects success in the NBA recently, I think he'll pay off nicely for some team in the late lotto.
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Post#1072 » by King Ken » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:41 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:
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Culver, 32% from three, and 65% from the free throw line. No, Culver is one of the worst shooting prospects in the draft. As bad as Tyreke when he was with the Kings. Overall, Culver has horrible mechanics to his shot which is just flat out broken.

He is not a bad shooter at all. He is just as good as R.J. at shooting but he doesn't really have the skills or athletic ability to make me want to overlook that he doesn't project as a great shooter. He is starting to solidly lock up #5 for me as Reddish locks up #4. 1-3 is Zion/R.J./Morant



If you are saying that Culver is just as bad of a shooter than RJ Barrett is, then you just make my whole argument for me :thumbsup:

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His form isn't bad at all. Stop showing his form when he was 16.
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Post#1073 » by King Ken » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:43 am

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Post#1074 » by King Ken » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:44 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:If the Hawks are stuck at 5, they have to take Cam, but if Cam is not available at 5, then you have to go with Nickeil Alexander-Walker. He is the Klay of this year's draft. After that, I have Okpala as a distant 2nd to NAW.

I have a feeling that Bol might take a big jump up after some personal workouts, along with Doumbouya. Hopefully one of those two falls to the Dallas' pick, but if Bol or Doumbouya are picked at #5, I might be ok with that too.

I think the Hawks should move up if one of the Duke 3 is gone.

I like Alpha Kaba potential more than a lot of these bigs in this class. Other than maybe 2-3 and their potential isn't All Star or anything.

The more and more I watch the other guys, I just don't see the potential or if I see the potential, I don't know if the fit is there for us. I love D. Hunter but I am not feeling it that much at this point. I been watching his games, I just don't see star. Honestly, we need to move up.
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Post#1075 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:04 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:
If you are saying that Culver is just as bad of a shooter than RJ Barrett is, then you just make my whole argument for me

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Dude, you gotta stop judging the kid's shooting potential as a pro based on a still photo from his HS days.

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You can also judge him on his ACTUAL shooting numbers, in game situations. 32% from three, and 64% from the free throw line.
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Post#1076 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:07 am

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Thanks for making my argument even deeper. His form is still bad. Shoulders are not square, left hand is blocking his eyes, and right hand is not guiding the ball. Just multiple factors broken on his mechanics.
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Post#1078 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:19 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:Thanks for making my argument even deeper. His form is still bad. Shoulders are not square, left hand is blocking his eyes, and right hand is not guiding the ball. Just multiple factors broken on his mechanics.


Again, dig deeper. Stop using still photos like a 20th century caveman.

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Post#1079 » by Spud2nique » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:55 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Thanks for making my argument even deeper. His form is still bad. Shoulders are not square, left hand is blocking his eyes, and right hand is not guiding the ball. Just multiple factors broken on his mechanics.


Again, dig deeper. Stop using still photos like a 20th century caveman.

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Post#1080 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:47 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:Thanks for making my argument even deeper. His form is still bad. Shoulders are not square, left hand is blocking his eyes, and right hand is not guiding the ball. Just multiple factors broken on his mechanics.


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