Trade Ideas (Part III)

Stillwater · Post #921 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:24 pm

In the original deal it's clear the author doesn't want to give fair value for Love and has nads to throw in nwaba who ain't a throw in .
CLE would have to be planning on Simons being the next Dwane Wade to do the deal as is.
Even with the additional assets in Collins and a first that I tweaked the deal to include honestly wouldn't be enough for CLE to trade Love. He's getting traded only to a team that is wanting a high caliber second or third option on a championship team and is willing to give up a young player with similar long term projections.
Right now Simons could be that but he could just as easily be the next nobody.
Portland won't win it all as is ...ever...and if Love gives them a legit chance at a championship this year and next they should be willing to give up more than the original deal not less. Portland gets tight wadded and eventually it will crumble

Post #922 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:13 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
Stillwater wrote:^ Interesting proposal but I don't think Simons alone is enough compensation for eating Turner who would be confined to the bench on a tanking team despite Love's contract being steep. I also don't buy the location being relevant for Love.
To me this could be fine tuned and maybe work, but as is doesn't move the needle enough.
make it Love and Hood & the 2021 second round draft pick from Milwaukee for Simons,Collins,Turner and the Portland 2019 first lottery protected,top 4 protected then unprotected ...and maybe I'd do it.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7161008

jbk1234 wrote:I wouldn't touch this.

Oddly enough, the Blazer fans seemed to have a similar reaction. There's extreme hesitation to take on Love's contract given his extensive injury history.

I mean the Cavs don't have an immediate need to get out if his contract. The earliest we'll need that cap space is 2021. So the *value* of getting out of his contract really doesn't exist. Plus, it's pretty obvious that we're really, really bad without him on the court.

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Stillwater · Post #923 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:04 am

Cavs should send Hood to Houston for Marquise Chriss & a 2nd who wants out to get more pt... he's so bad right now it will help the tank and he should get plenty of pt with TT still hurt and Loves return timeline still questionable.

Post #924 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:54 pm

Stillwater wrote:Cavs should send Hood to Houston for Marquise Chriss & a 2nd who wants out to get more pt... he's so bad right now it will help the tank and he should get plenty of pt with TT still hurt and Loves return timeline still questionable.

I really don't see a need to help the tank. I might do the trade anyway just to give him one last audition on a bad team before he ends up in China.

Post #925 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:35 pm

I suspect that with the Pelicans willing to blow up their roster, the buyers will target guys like Randle, Mirotic, and Moore. I'm actually okay with this as I think the Cavs would be better off with cap space next summer when only ten or so teams will have enough cap space to be real players in the market. If a team like the Knicks draws interest of blue chip players, they'll be highly motivated to dump Lee and THjr. I wouldn't even mind bringing back a guy like Burks on a team-friendly deal or making a run at younger players on team-friendly deals.

Stillwater · Post #926 » by **Stillwater** » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:35 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Cavs should send Hood to Houston for Marquise Chriss & a 2nd who wants out to get more pt... he's so bad right now it will help the tank and he should get plenty of pt with TT still hurt and Loves return timeline still questionable.

I really don't see a need to help the tank. I might do the trade anyway just to give him one last audition on a bad team before he ends up in China.

Yeah I guess they would be taking a flyer on him, but too me he's just a freak athlete without much skill at all and this trade mostly is about the 2nd rounder for Hood since he hasn't been good enough in the last 15 games at least the ones he played in not hurt that would interest many teams for more than a 2nd.

Post #927 » by **City of Trees** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 8:21 am

Is Cedi Osman tradeable. If so what kind of return would the Cavs be looking at?

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Post #928 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 6:30 pm

City of Trees wrote:Is Cedi Osman tradeable. If so what kind of return would the Cavs be looking at?

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Anyone is tradeable for the right price, but Cedi would be really expensive. He's playing in the rising stars game and on an uber-team-friendly deal. He's also a bit of a fan-favorite. Given the fact that he's young and the Cavs are talent depleted, it would take a substantial overpay IMO. The Kings would probably have to go out and get a top-5 pick in this draft.

Stillwater · Post #929 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 9:27 pm

^ Yep I don't see CLE parting with Cedi at all as he is a key part of the rebuild tbh even for a lottery pick in this draft.

Revenged25 · Post #930 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:58 pm

Trade #1:
Cleveland gets:
Andrew Wiggins
Allen Crabbe
#11 overall
#17 overall

Minnesota gets:
Jordan Clarkson
Brandon Knight (buyout agreed upon before trade)

Brooklyn gets:
JR Smith (cut for savings

-Minnesota needs to move on from Wiggins but his contract is a negative so they give up the #11 pick to move him. We give them permission to talk to Knight who agrees to a buyout before the trade happens.
-Brooklyn is looking to cut as much cap as possible to try and make room for free agency targeting primarily KD. Offer up the #17 pick to move him for the massive cap break. Potential to get 2 max FA.
-Cleveland takes on two bad deals, one of which is expiring, for draft capital.

Picks available after trade-
#3
#11 (Minny)
#17 (Brooklyn)
#21 (Houston)

Trade #2
Cleveland gets:
#7 overall

Washington gets:
#11 overall
#17 overall

-Cleveland has a player they are targeting so move up for him.
-Washington needs to add more draft picks to fill out their roster due to Wall's contract keeping them from being able to resign/keep their players without being massively in the luxury tax.

Draft:
Knicks draft Zion
Suns draft Morant
#3-RJ Barret, SG/SF Duke
#7-Bruno Fernando, C Maryland
#21-Colby White, PG/SG North Carolina

From the draft the Cavs walk away with scoring and defense.

2019-2020 roster:
PG-Sexton/White/Delly
SG-Barrett/Crabbe
SF-Osman/Wiggins
PF-Love/Nance/Henson
C-TT/Fernando/Zizic

I would've looked to trade TT, but I can't think of a team that would make a fair enough offer for him. I'm also sure I'm probably missing someone from this list.

Post #931 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:22 pm

I don't think I'd do the Minny deal. Look at your depth chart. You've got a max player on a very long deal coming of the bench. You'd probably have to let Cedi walk a year down the road.

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Revenged25 · Post #932 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:59 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I don't think I'd do the Minny deal. Look at your depth chart. You've got a max player on a very long deal coming of the bench. You'd probably have to let Cedi walk a year down the road.

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Good point. Maybe instead of Minny swap them with the Clippers and using Gallinari in a similar situation? Though that might mean we would need to send out someone like Zizic and/or TT instead of Knight as well, but that would just help open up a playing room.

Stillwater · Post #933 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:24 pm

Revenged25 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I don't think I'd do the Minny deal. Look at your depth chart. You've got a max player on a very long deal coming of the bench. You'd probably have to let Cedi walk a year down the road.

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Good point. Maybe instead of Minny swap them with the Clippers and using Gallinari in a similar situation? Though that might mean we would need to send out someone like Zizic and/or TT instead of Knight as well, but that would just help open up a playing room.

I don't see the Wolves moving Wiggins for this deal at all. Despite not living up to #1 pick expectations he is instant offense for them much in the same way Clarkson is for CLE.
Minnesota is actually a worse fa destination than CLE is and keeping Wiggins under contract was their plan all along.

Post #934 » by **Danny Darko** » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:48 pm

would you guys move your pick for Lebron?

If it was #1, would #9/10 plus LeBron for 3 years be at all attractive?

Revenged25 · Post #935 » by **Revenged25** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:05 am

Danny Darko wrote:would you guys move your pick for Lebron?

If it was #1, would #9/10 plus LeBron for 3 years be at all attractive?

I wouldn't.

Stillwater · Post #936 » by **Stillwater** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:27 pm

Danny Darko wrote:would you guys move your pick for Lebron?

If it was #1, would #9/10 plus LeBron for 3 years be at all attractive?

Post #937 » by **Danny Darko** » Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:54 pm

i figured as much. Makes it easier for me to shut that down on our board

Post #938 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:41 pm

Danny Darko wrote:i figured as much. Makes it easier for me to shut that down on our board

I'd move the Rockets pick, maybe the Bucks pick, and expiring contracts.

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Revenged25 · Post #939 » by **Revenged25** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:57 pm

Cavs get the #1 pick:
Trade #1, Tristan Thompson, and Matthew Delladova for #8 and Bradley Beal

Draft Brandon Clarke at #8
Draft Cameron Johnson at #23

Sexton/Clarkson
Beal/Knight
Osman/Johnson
Love/Henson
Clark/Nance

Stillwater · Post #940 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:44 pm

Revenged25 wrote:Cavs get the #1 pick:
Trade #1, Tristan Thompson, and Matthew Delladova for #8 and Bradley Beal

Draft Brandon Clarke at #8
Draft Cameron Johnson at #23

Sexton/Clarkson
Beal/Knight
Osman/Johnson
Love/Henson
Clark/Nance

I don't see the Cavs trying to fast-forward like this, but you never know. I mean I would do this trade for #4 pick but not w/ Zion,Barrett or Ja on the table.
That team after the trade is a playoff team but not a contender.
lol at having Clarke ahead of Nance in the rotation...he's dominating in college not the NBA