2/14 | G57: Oklahoma City Thunder at New Orleans Pelicans - 7PM CST

[Pillendreher]

These two are the co captains of the anti Roberson fan club. dont try and justify Robes value to them, its an absolute waste of time.

You're right, as I will never see it.

But can you tell me where they are missing him?

Also, would you be on board adding a sg who never draws team fouls on the d, doesn't create anything for others because he never collapses the d, can't shoot a basketball off the dribble, can't shoot 3s, isnt even closed out to on the 3pt line, and can't hit a free throw, but plays almost all NBA level defense and giving him 30mpg? Would it make sense? Because that is what Roberson is........

I've maintained that since OKC got rid of Jeremy Lamb to keep Roberson that it was a colossal mistake and just like I figured I was 100% correct and anybody who is remotely knowledgeable about the NBA or just basketball in general can look at the 2 players and easily see that Lamb is a far superior overall player. I'm on board with Ferguson now since he's finally showing he can produce double digit points consistently but I still would much rather have Lamb. They're obviously not missing Roberson at all and they're a better team if Ferguson can just be consistent shooting and scoring. Like I said though I really like the roster now that Patterson is pretty much going to get taken out of the rotation. You're only as good as your weakest link and without Roberson, Patterson and Abrines I really don't see anybody that's going to be in the rotation that doesn't produce consistently and Morris gives them that much more offensive firepower which they'll need in the playoffs. I just really hope Westbrook gets his midrange jumper back and fixes his free throws. It's odd watching him struggle for this long.

We don't have a SG backup and are currently playing Nader relevant minutes in which he absolutely tanks the team.

[sleestak33]

You're right, as I will never see it.

But can you tell me where they are missing him?

Also, would you be on board adding a sg who never draws team fouls on the d, doesn't create anything for others because he never collapses the d, can't shoot a basketball off the dribble, can't shoot 3s, isnt even closed out to on the 3pt line, and can't hit a free throw, but plays almost all NBA level defense and giving him 30mpg? Would it make sense? Because that is what Roberson is........

I've maintained that since OKC got rid of Jeremy Lamb to keep Roberson that it was a colossal mistake and just like I figured I was 100% correct and anybody who is remotely knowledgeable about the NBA or just basketball in general can look at the 2 players and easily see that Lamb is a far superior overall player. I'm on board with Ferguson now since he's finally showing he can produce double digit points consistently but I still would much rather have Lamb. They're obviously not missing Roberson at all and they're a better team if Ferguson can just be consistent shooting and scoring. Like I said though I really like the roster now that Patterson is pretty much going to get taken out of the rotation. You're only as good as your weakest link and without Roberson, Patterson and Abrines I really don't see anybody that's going to be in the rotation that doesn't produce consistently and Morris gives them that much more offensive firepower which they'll need in the playoffs. I just really hope Westbrook gets his midrange jumper back and fixes his free throws. It's odd watching him struggle for this long.

We don't have a SG backup and are currently playing Nader relevant minutes in which he absolutely tanks the team.

I've seen enough of a sample size from Burton and Nader to say that both players are very adequate backups that can play shooting guard or small forward and give consistently good minutes and won't hurt the team. We no longer have a wing player that other teams literally don't have to guard and that makes spacing and offensive efficiency much better. Not having Roberson out there is a big part of why the team is so much better offensively this season. I think Burton has a chance to be really good.

[Pillendreher]

I've seen enough of a sample size from Burton and Nader to say that both players are very adequate backups that can play shooting guard or small forward and give consistently good minutes and won't hurt the team. We no longer have a wing player that other teams literally don't have to guard and that makes spacing and offensive efficiency much better. Not having Roberson out there is a big part of why the team is so much better offensively this season. I think Burton has a chance to be really good.

Neither of them are at an NBA level right now. Since Nader became a regular part of the rotation, we've been at our worst by far with on the floor and at our best with him off the floor and it's not even close: -9.3 NetRtG with him ON, +8.9 NetRtG with him OFF. And it gets even worse if you remove George's minutes with the bench from the data: -20.5 NetRtG (no, this is not a mistake) with Nader ON and George OFF (190 minutes) and -3.8 NetRtg with both Nader and George OFF (121 minutes).

if this team wants to be a serious contender in the Playoffs, Nader can't see the floor, period. He's a scrub that can't defend and only takes bad shots on the offensive end.

Burton is a better player than Nader. But that's still not a guy you want on the floor when every possession matters.

[hardenASG13]

I've seen enough of a sample size from Burton and Nader to say that both players are very adequate backups that can play shooting guard or small forward and give consistently good minutes and won't hurt the team. We no longer have a wing player that other teams literally don't have to guard and that makes spacing and offensive efficiency much better. Not having Roberson out there is a big part of why the team is so much better offensively this season. I think Burton has a chance to be really good.

Neither of them are at an NBA level right now. Since Nader became a regular part of the rotation, we've been at our worst by far with on the floor and at our best with him off the floor and it's not even close: -9.3 NetRtG with him ON, +8.9 NetRtG with him OFF. And it gets even worse if you remove George's minutes with the bench from the data: -20.5 NetRtG (no, this is not a mistake) with Nader ON and George OFF (190 minutes) and -3.8 NetRtg with both Nader and George OFF (121 minutes).

if this team wants to be a serious contender in the Playoffs, Nader can't see the floor, period. He's a scrub that can't defend and only takes bad shots on the offensive end.

Burton is a better player than Nader. But that's still not a guy you want on the floor when every possession matters.

Yeah they just have play whoever is playing better out of those 2, and only 10-15 min a game if they don't sign anyone. I personally think burton is more than enough in that role. He's confident and fairly versatile on both ends of the floor. Doesn't make a ton of mistakes and plays within himself for the most part. He should improve with consistent minutes the rest of the season as well, just hope he gets them.

Out of curiosity, how do you think Robersons numbers with an all bench lineup would look?

[Pillendreher]

Out of curiosity, how do you think Robersons numbers with an all bench lineup would look?

Roberson-Noel would lock opposing lineups up. Add George to the mix in staggering lineups and we'd have one of the best benches in the league even with not-great offense simply because the defense would be spectacular.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Out of curiosity, how do you think Robersons numbers with an all bench lineup would look?

Roberson's personal offensive line or the team +/- with him on the court? Those are two entirely different things. Roberson's "traditional" numbers would be unimpressive, as they always are. The on the court impact would be significant, as always. Assuming a full recovery, if you put Roberson with an all bench unit of Schroder, Noel, Morris and Diallo they would be pretty effective. They would be very good defensively, despite Schroder's defensive issues which are more due to his lack of size than effort, and they would be killing it in transition with the turnovers they would create.

If we are talking about my expectations of Roberson when he returns it would be terrible. I don't expect Roberson to return at anywhere near his old level. Roberson was a top 10 wing, by impact, before his injury. I'm not sure he'll even come back as good enough to be a rotation player. He could easily come back as a worse player than Diallo, which would tragic to see his career ended by OKC's medical incompetence, but it is a very strong possibility.

[Thunder Up]

I've maintained that since OKC got rid of Jeremy Lamb to keep Roberson that it was a colossal mistake and just like I figured I was 100% correct and anybody who is remotely knowledgeable about the NBA or just basketball in general can look at the 2 players and easily see that Lamb is a far superior overall player. I'm on board with Ferguson now since he's finally showing he can produce double digit points consistently but I still would much rather have Lamb. They're obviously not missing Roberson at all and they're a better team if Ferguson can just be consistent shooting and scoring. Like I said though I really like the roster now that Patterson is pretty much going to get taken out of the rotation. You're only as good as your weakest link and without Roberson, Patterson and Abrines I really don't see anybody that's going to be in the rotation that doesn't produce consistently and Morris gives them that much more offensive firepower which they'll need in the playoffs. I just really hope Westbrook gets his midrange jumper back and fixes his free throws. It's odd watching him struggle for this long.

We don't have a SG backup and are currently playing Nader relevant minutes in which he absolutely tanks the team.

I've seen enough of a sample size from Burton and Nader to say that both players are very adequate backups that can play shooting guard or small forward and give consistently good minutes and won't hurt the team. We no longer have a wing player that other teams literally don't have to guard and that makes spacing and offensive efficiency much better. Not having Roberson out there is a big part of why the team is so much better offensively this season. I think Burton has a chance to be really good.

omg im dead

[hardenASG13]

Out of curiosity, how do you think Robersons numbers with an all bench lineup would look?

Roberson's personal offensive line or the team +/- with him on the court? Those are two entirely different things. Roberson's "traditional" numbers would be unimpressive, as they always are. The on the court impact would be significant, as always. Assuming a full recovery, if you put Roberson with an all bench unit of Schroder, Noel, Morris and Diallo they would be pretty effective. They would be very good defensively, despite Schroder's defensive issues which are more due to his lack of size than effort, and they would be killing it in transition with the turnovers they would create.

If we are talking about my expectations of Roberson when he returns it would be terrible. I don't expect Roberson to return at anywhere near his old level. Roberson was a top 10 wing, by impact, before his injury. I'm not sure he'll even come back as good enough to be a rotation player. He could easily come back as a worse player than Diallo, which would tragic to see his career ended by OKC's medical incompetence, but it is a very strong possibility.

Yea if he's lost any athleticism he's done for, as he has no other remotely close NBA skill. He was never anywhere close to being a top 10 wing, that is how inaccurately the stats portray him. I don't think diallo is nearly as good as Burton from a reliability standpoint. Off the bench, I think Roberson would kill them as itd make life on Schroeder even harder, although Morris would help alleviate the offensive struggles. Roberson has always played next to at least 1, if not 2 superstars primarily to cover his incredibly flawed offensive game. Think he'd be completely exposed with his impact stats if that wasn't the case.

Kizz, maybe you will actually answer this unlike others.........would you be on board with this year's okc team signing a buyout guy who cant/won't shoot 3s, can't dribble in the halfcourt, never collapses the D or makes them move, and doesn't draw team fouls on the D/can't hit foul shots........but plays borderline all NBA defense and handing him 30mpg? That's Roberson. Would a guy like that help the team in your opinion? Could they use a guy like that in such a significant role?

[Kizz Fastfists]

Kizz, maybe you will actually answer this unlike others.........would you be on board with this year's okc team signing a buyout guy who cant/won't shoot 3s, can't dribble in the halfcourt, never collapses the D or makes them move, and doesn't draw team fouls on the D/can't hit foul shots........but plays borderline all NBA defense and handing him 30mpg? That's Roberson. Would a guy like that help the team in your opinion? Could they use a guy like that in such a significant role?

You mean play DPoY worthy defense like Roberson did? Yes, I'd sign that player. I'm not sure I'd be able to find 30 MPG for them on THIS roster. However, that is because of Ferguson's development and PG being almost the same level of defender that Roberson was. I could easily find them 20 MPG though and might even start them over Ferguson so they could match up with the opponent's best offensive player.

[hardenASG13]

Kizz, maybe you will actually answer this unlike others.........would you be on board with this year's okc team signing a buyout guy who cant/won't shoot 3s, can't dribble in the halfcourt, never collapses the D or makes them move, and doesn't draw team fouls on the D/can't hit foul shots........but plays borderline all NBA defense and handing him 30mpg? That's Roberson. Would a guy like that help the team in your opinion? Could they use a guy like that in such a significant role?

You mean play DPoY worthy defense like Roberson did? Yes, I'd sign that player. I'm not sure I'd be able to find 30 MPG for them on THIS roster. However, that is because of Ferguson's development and PG being almost the same level of defender that Roberson was. I could easily find them 20 MPG though and might even start them over Ferguson so they could match up with the opponent's best offensive player.

Does Ferguson develop like this with Roberson in the way? Isn't Paul George doing great on the opposing team's best player? Why do they they need that defense at the expense of the shooting Ferguson provides? Screw the regular season ratings..........wouldnt that lead to their offense stalling in the playoffs like always? Ferg is huge for them imo. Gives Westbrook and George more to operate, which Westbrook badly needs since he can't shoot. Seems like pg is thriving without the extra help always waiting in the lane as well.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Does Ferguson develop like this with Roberson in the way? Isn't Paul George doing great on the opposing team's best player? Why do they they need that defense at the expense of the shooting Ferguson provides? Screw the regular season ratings..........wouldnt that lead to their offense stalling in the playoffs like always? Ferg is huge for them imo. Gives Westbrook and George more to operate, which Westbrook badly needs since he can't shoot. Seems like pg is thriving without the extra help always waiting in the lane as well.

You won't find anyone higher on Ferguson than I am and have been since before OKC drafted him. Are you suggesting there wasn't 25 MPG for Ferguson if Roberson is healthy? I think that is wrong. Ferguson would have gotten his minutes and we would have been spared Burton, Nader and TLC getting significant minutes at various times.

What do mean their offense stall in the playoffs again? The only time their offense has stalled in the playoffs was last year without Roberson. OKC had a 107.7 Ortg in the regular season last year and a 100.7 Ortg in the playoffs. Roberson wasn't there in the playoffs so you can't blame him unless you want to argue their offense was better in the regular season BECAUSE they had Roberson for a good chunk of it and losing him hurt the offense. That would be accurate, but it doesn't fit your false narrative.

[hardenASG13]

Does Ferguson develop like this with Roberson in the way? Isn't Paul George doing great on the opposing team's best player? Why do they they need that defense at the expense of the shooting Ferguson provides? Screw the regular season ratings..........wouldnt that lead to their offense stalling in the playoffs like always? Ferg is huge for them imo. Gives Westbrook and George more to operate, which Westbrook badly needs since he can't shoot. Seems like pg is thriving without the extra help always waiting in the lane as well.

You won't find anyone higher on Ferguson than I am and have been since before OKC drafted him. Are you suggesting there wasn't 25 MPG for Ferguson if Roberson is healthy? I think that is wrong. Ferguson would have gotten his minutes and we would have been spared Burton, Nader and TLC getting significant minutes at various times.

What do mean their offense stall in the playoffs again? The only time their offense has stalled in the playoffs was last year without Roberson. OKC had a 107.7 Ortg in the regular season last year and a 100.7 Ortg in the playoffs. Roberson wasn't there in the playoffs so you can't blame him unless you want to argue their offense was better in the regular season BECAUSE they had Roberson for a good chunk of it and losing him hurt the offense. That would be accurate, but it doesn't fit your false narrative.

Their offense stalling in last year's playoffs had nothing to do with missing Andre Roberson. They were starting brewer and melo, George didn't come through, and Westbrook couldn't finish over Gobert. They also had no bench aside from grant. They really had 0 shooting, which was the issue against the packed paint. With Roberson it would've been worse.

I disagree re: Ferguson. While the minutes conceivably would've been there if they don't play any of the other guys ( unrealistic if you have followed okc), he needed consistent meaningful minutes and to fail repeatedly to gain his confidence, which he now has. He was the same player the first 2 months of the season as last year, but they stuck with him. He then started hitting the shots hed been missing, because he was getting them night after night and gained the confidence to perform in games, which is probably the most important thing for an NBA shooter. The team has been at its best with a shooter playing off Westbrook and George, as he makes them pay for helping and keeps them honest unlike Roberson.

Do any of you follow the rest of the league, at All? It's all offense! Defenses are at the mercy of spread offenses with all shooters, which coaches and players are admitting. It works when you have stars to drive it (golden State, houston, toronto, milwaukee improved because they surrounded giannis with shooting, not defense, Boston, Philly added shooting, Denver plays all shooters on the perimeter......). Nobody plays non shooting wings! I'm sure there are better defenders than eric Gordon, jj redick, brook Lopez, etc., but the shooting is more valuable, especially in okc where you start Westbrook and Adams! Add Roberson in to that at all and they'd have 3 guys who can't shoot outside of 10 feet. This mystical notion of shutting down golden State with defense (at the expense of offense) is comical. They get theirs regardless, like all the other mentioned teams. They would regardless of whether Roberson plays or not. Defense is played as a unit, you need firepower to truly compete. It's why okc only made the finals once (despite injuries and dumb trades). Hero ball (Russ, kd, George bailing them out over and over) stalls in the playoffs. Need guys to knock down outside shots. Their defense is fine without roberson! Isn't a problem at all.

[sleestak33]

I've seen enough of a sample size from Burton and Nader to say that both players are very adequate backups that can play shooting guard or small forward and give consistently good minutes and won't hurt the team. We no longer have a wing player that other teams literally don't have to guard and that makes spacing and offensive efficiency much better. Not having Roberson out there is a big part of why the team is so much better offensively this season. I think Burton has a chance to be really good.

Neither of them are at an NBA level right now. Since Nader became a regular part of the rotation, we've been at our worst by far with on the floor and at our best with him off the floor and it's not even close: -9.3 NetRtG with him ON, +8.9 NetRtG with him OFF. And it gets even worse if you remove George's minutes with the bench from the data: -20.5 NetRtG (no, this is not a mistake) with Nader ON and George OFF (190 minutes) and -3.8 NetRtg with both Nader and George OFF (121 minutes).

if this team wants to be a serious contender in the Playoffs, Nader can't see the floor, period. He's a scrub that can't defend and only takes bad shots on the offensive end.

Burton is a better player than Nader. But that's still not a guy you want on the floor when every possession matters.

All I can say is I'm happy with the roster now and Diallo, Nader and Burton all have shown that they have enough of an overall skillset (ballhandling, shooting, passing, the ability to take guys off the dribble and create their own shot plus decent defense) that they won't hurt you when they're out there like Roberson did who literally didn't even need to be guarded. I've been calling for Patterson to be permanently benched or cut from the team for over a year now and guess what...that's finally happening just like I said it needed to with Morris being signed who will get all of his minutes. People on this message board were calling for Patterson to start this year and that was just laughable. I just don't see anybody who will be getting regular rotational minutes who is going to not consistently produce anymore and with the NBA right now offensive efficiency is what's winning games so Morris plugs up the final weak link they had. It will be an absolute pleasure to watch this team now that Patterson and Roberson are no longer a part of it and by the time the postseason starts and these guys get more time to develop and get used to their rotational patterns they're going to be pretty damn salty. They have a great chance to make the Western conference finals and you never know what can happen from there.

[Pillendreher]

All I can say is I'm happy with the roster now and Diallo, Nader and Burton all have shown that they have enough of an overall skillset (ballhandling, shooting, passing, the ability to take guys off the dribble and create their own shot plus decent defense) that they won't hurt you when they're out there

We literally get run off the court whenever Nader is in the game.

Heck, why do I even bother.

[RalphSampsonJr]

All I can say is I'm happy with the roster now and Diallo, Nader and Burton all have shown that they have enough of an overall skillset (ballhandling, shooting, passing, the ability to take guys off the dribble and create their own shot plus decent defense) that they won't hurt you when they're out there

We literally get run off the court whenever Nader is in the game.

Heck, why do I even bother.

Dont do it to yourself Pill.

This dude probably still claims we should of kept Perry Jones.. defense is not a thing he takes into account

[sleestak33]

All I can say is I'm happy with the roster now and Diallo, Nader and Burton all have shown that they have enough of an overall skillset (ballhandling, shooting, passing, the ability to take guys off the dribble and create their own shot plus decent defense) that they won't hurt you when they're out there

We literally get run off the court whenever Nader is in the game.

Heck, why do I even bother.

Dont do it to yourself Pill.

This dude probably still claims we should of kept Perry Jones.. defense is not a thing he takes into account

Yeah and you probably still wish Kendrick Perkins was here...LMAO. Defense has its place in any sport but basketball is a two way sport. You can't be that much of a one way player and make it in the NBA these days unless your skill is offense. That's why Perkins got booted from the NBA after leaving OKC where he was a starter and playing 27 minutes per game. Funny that I stated the entire time he was here he had no business starting and didn't even belong in the league and of course I was right. Same thing with Roberson. There's a reason when he came up for free agency nobody wanted him. It's because they all watched him go 3-21 on free throws against Houston in that playoff series and has no offensive skillset whatsoever even to the point where opposing teams were leaving him completely unguarded. There's a reason no other team starts or plays a guy like Roberson that much...because it's idiotic in today's game in the NBA. Wing players that can't shoot and score are essentially unplayable because of the premium that is being put on those things. You keep hanging on to that dream that defense really matters and I'll keep watching James Harden score 40 points with 10 assists every night while playing absolutely zero defense and winning games and MVPs. LOL. Guys like you crack me up.

[Pillendreher]

Defense has its place in any sport but basketball is a two way sport.

You keep hanging on to that dream that defense really matters

You made a mistake here. You tried to pretend that you think that defense matters, but slipped up there in the end. Wanna try again?

[RalphSampsonJr]

We literally get run off the court whenever Nader is in the game.

Heck, why do I even bother.

Dont do it to yourself Pill.

This dude probably still claims we should of kept Perry Jones.. defense is not a thing he takes into account

Yeah and you probably still wish Kendrick Perkins was here...LMAO. Defense has its place in any sport but basketball is a two way sport. You can't be that much of a one way player and make it in the NBA these days unless your skill is offense. That's why Perkins got booted from the NBA after leaving OKC where he was a starter and playing 27 minutes per game. Funny that I stated the entire time he was here he had no business starting and didn't even belong in the league and of course I was right. Same thing with Roberson. There's a reason when he came up for free agency nobody wanted him. It's because they all watched him go 3-21 on free throws against Houston in that playoff series and has no offensive skillset whatsoever even to the point where opposing teams were leaving him completely unguarded. There's a reason no other team starts or plays a guy like Roberson that much...because it's idiotic in today's game in the NBA. Wing players that can't shoot and score are essentially unplayable because of the premium that is being put on those things. You keep hanging on to that dream that defense really matters and I'll keep watching James Harden score 40 points with 10 assists every night while playing absolutely zero defense and winning games and MVPs. LOL. Guys like you crack me up.

Bringing up perkins isnt the way to prove your point..
He had zero offensive ability and was in the nba until his 30s.
Perry jones is 27 and is now playing in ice cubes big3 league.. but hey he scored 30 points one time so he must be better

[sleestak33]

Dont do it to yourself Pill.

This dude probably still claims we should of kept Perry Jones.. defense is not a thing he takes into account

Yeah and you probably still wish Kendrick Perkins was here...LMAO. Defense has its place in any sport but basketball is a two way sport. You can't be that much of a one way player and make it in the NBA these days unless your skill is offense. That's why Perkins got booted from the NBA after leaving OKC where he was a starter and playing 27 minutes per game. Funny that I stated the entire time he was here he had no business starting and didn't even belong in the league and of course I was right. Same thing with Roberson. There's a reason when he came up for free agency nobody wanted him. It's because they all watched him go 3-21 on free throws against Houston in that playoff series and has no offensive skillset whatsoever even to the point where opposing teams were leaving him completely unguarded. There's a reason no other team starts or plays a guy like Roberson that much...because it's idiotic in today's game in the NBA. Wing players that can't shoot and score are essentially unplayable because of the premium that is being put on those things. You keep hanging on to that dream that defense really matters and I'll keep watching James Harden score 40 points with 10 assists every night while playing absolutely zero defense and winning games and MVPs. LOL. Guys like you crack me up.

Bringing up perkins isnt the way to prove your point..
He had zero offensive ability and was in the nba until his 30s.
Perry jones is 27 and is now playing in ice cubes big3 league.. but hey he scored 30 points one time so he must be better

I have stated many times on here that Jeremy Lamb clearly was the much better choice between him and Roberson and of course I was 100% correct and anybody who is remotely knowledgeable about basketball and the NBA can easily see that now. Perry Jones scored 32 points and also 20 in another game so obviously there was some skill there and frankly I would rather have kept him than Roberson. I don't really care that Jones ins't in the NBA (there are plenty of guys not in the NBA more skilled than Roberson) I would imagine that if they had stuck Jones in the starting slot for 4 years instead of Roberson (even though he's not really a shooting guard...neither was Corey Brewer and he did just fine) we also would have a much better all around player than Roberson because he's so limited offensively in a time when wing players that can't shoot and score are just not viable. So yes, I would rather have Perry Jones than Andre Roberson but the clear choice was Lamb. I've been wrong about Adams and now Ferguson and I'm more than happy to admit that but I said that about Jones and I'll stick to it. Would have been interesting to have a 6'10" shooting guard.

[sleestak33]

Defense has its place in any sport but basketball is a two way sport.

You keep hanging on to that dream that defense really matters

You made a mistake here. You tried to pretend that you think that defense matters, but slipped up there in the end. Wanna try again?

The point is it obviously doesn't matter that much when you see somebody like Harden winning MVPs and he doesn't play a lick of defense and is widely considered to be one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Up until this year Westbrook didn't play any defense either yet it is a top 5 player and also won an MVP. The simple truth is even the best defenders in the NBA can't stop anybody because pick and rolls and high screens eliminate even the best defenders out of one on one defense. Beating teams in the current state of the NBA means getting as many guys as you can that can shoot and score consistently so you're more efficient offensively. The more guys you have that can do that (see the Warriors) the more pressure you put on the opposing team to try to keep up with you. Any other questions feel free to ask.