It's been 5 yrs. Can we now say Andrew Wiggins is a Bust?

[Lauri_Legend]

Who knew the Cavs would get the better player 5 years later

[iggymcfrack]

Lot of people in here don't understand what a bust is. I think the Cavs would have been thrilled to get him in 2013 instead of Bennet. Now THAT was a bust.

I’d rather have drafted Bennett. His losses were cut. Wiggins put up enough garbage empty stats that he got a franchise crippling contract.

Nah, it's the TWolves. Where would they have spent that money if not on him? They aren't signing free agents. And they didn't have to hand him that contract, obviously.

Butler would likely be a member of the Timberwolves right now, getting ready for the stretch run and hoping to get a Top 4 seed for Minnesota if it weren’t for Wiggins.

[ballup]

Not a bust just very overrated.

Is he overrated? I don't think I've heard many, if any at all, media members praising how good of a player he is. Didn't Dorris Burke once trash his game while she was color commentating a Wolves game?

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[Ayt]

Do people think Michael Beasley was a bust as a #2 pick? Through five seasons, their production is fairly similar.

I never understood the logic of: "The Wolves had to sign Wiggins to a max extension because other teams would have if they didn't".

This makes no sense to me. If you had evaluated his worth properly based on his current production rather than potential, it would have been a no brainer to let him sign the max somewhere else, then the gamble, burden and eventual loss would be on that team, not yours.

This is not even about hindsight. A lot of fans including me balked at the extension right when it happened. They took a poor gamble which is keeping this team from progressing until his contract is over.

Wiggins is not a bust as player but is grossly overpaid. We wouldn't be calling him a bust if he was making half of what his now.

He was going to be a restricted free agent. Even if another team gave him a max contract the following summer, Minny could have matched if they wanted. They could have used the full season to continue to evaluate him (he had an awful year that year), and they even would have benefited if they decided to match because other teams could only offer 4 year deals while they could, and did, offer 5.

It was a horrible deal even if you were high on Wiggins at that point because there were only downsides.

[Galloisdaman]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

[SactoKingsFan]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

Wiggins isn't even top 10 in his draft class.

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[Galloisdaman]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

Wiggins isn't even top 10 in his draft class.

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Really? Name the 10 that are better. I will spot you Ebliid and Jokic.

[iggymcfrack]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

LOL, no.

Embiid, Gordon, Smart, Randle, Vonleh, Saric, Lavine, Nurkic, Gary Harris, Capela, Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, Jokic, all miles better. That’s 15 guys that are so much better it’s not even close without getting into guys like Exum, Payton, Warren, Ennis, Huestis, or Grant who are probably better too.

[LoveMyRaps]

He's definitely not a bust.
lol

Overrrated? sure
overpaid? sure
bust? no way.

[swyftdahoe]

He needs to go to a team with better player development.

[cpower]

he should be giving MLE money at the best and should only be taking 10 FGA until he becomes more efficient. at this point he is costing his team when scoring.

[SactoKingsFan]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

Wiggins isn't even top 10 in his draft class.

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Really? Name the 10 that are better. I will spot you Ebliid and Jokic.

Jokic, Embiid, Nurkic, Capela, Jerami Grant, Kyle Anderson, Randle, Harris, Dwight Powell, Smart, Gordon, Dinwiddie, Bogdanovic, Warren, etc.

I could keep going but those are guys that are clearly better than Wiggins.

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[sixerswillrule]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

Embiid, Jokic, Nurkic, Capela, Gary Harris, Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, and Smart are all better.

[sixerswillrule]

He's definitely not a bust.
lol

Overrrated? sure
overpaid? sure
bust? no way.

Why is a borderline top 100 player no way a bust for a #1 pick?

[Galloisdaman]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

LOL, no.

Embiid, Gordon, Smart, Randle, Vonleh, Saric, Lavine, Nurkic, Gary Harris, Capela, Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, Jokic, all miles better. That’s 15 guys that are so much better it’s not even close without getting into guys like Exum, Payton, Warren, Ennis, Huestis, or Grant who are probably better too.

Wiggins has been around a 20ppg scorer for his career. You are naming several guys that do not come close to him. Wiggins has his flaws but some of this is ridiculous.

Wiggins-19.5ppg-4.2rpg career

Ebiid-Yes
Gordon-Maybe
Smart-Maybe
Randle-Depends on the year
Vonleh-5ppg career
Saric-Probably not
Lavine-Has same flaws and lower PPG career
Nurkic-Probably
Harris-Possibly
Capela-Yes
Bogdanovic-Lower pts-Lower rebounds
SlowMo-Dud offensively
Joe Harris-9PPG career
Dinwiddie-10ppg career
Jokic-Yes

Exum-6 ppg career
Payton-11 ppg career
Warren-Probably not
Ennis-4ppg career
Huetis-2.5ppg career
Grant-8ppg career

[rugbyrugger23]

I’d rather have drafted Bennett. His losses were cut. Wiggins put up enough garbage empty stats that he got a franchise crippling contract.

Nah, it's the TWolves. Where would they have spent that money if not on him? They aren't signing free agents. And they didn't have to hand him that contract, obviously.

Butler would likely be a member of the Timberwolves right now, getting ready for the stretch run and hoping to get a Top 4 seed for Minnesota if it weren’t for Wiggins.

I can get behind this. If Wolves just would have traded Wiggins instead of LaVine — who work ethic might be one young player that rivals Butler — Wolves night still have Butler (although I love the trade package they got for him). Personally I would have loved to seen:

Towns
Saric
Covington
LaVine
Dunn (or maybe he would have been traded and Wolves keep #7).

[iggymcfrack]

Weird to call him a bust when he is probably top 3-5 in his draft year.

LOL, no.

Embiid, Gordon, Smart, Randle, Vonleh, Saric, Lavine, Nurkic, Gary Harris, Capela, Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, Jokic, all miles better. That’s 15 guys that are so much better it’s not even close without getting into guys like Exum, Payton, Warren, Ennis, Huestis, or Grant who are probably better too.

Wiggins has been around a 20ppg scorer for his career. You are naming several guys that do not come close to him. Wiggins has his flaws but some of this is ridiculous.

Wiggins-19.5ppg-4.2rpg career

Ebiid-Yes
Gordon-Maybe
Smart-Maybe
Randle-Depends on the year
Vonleh-5ppg career
Saric-Probably not
Lavine-Has same flaws and lower PPG career
Nurkic-Probably
Harris-Possibly
Capela-Yes
Bogdanovic-Lower pts-Lower rebounds
SlowMo-Dud offensively
Joe Harris-9PPG career
Dinwiddie-10ppg career
Jokic-Yes

Exum-6 ppg career
Payton-11 ppg career
Warren-Probably not
Ennis-4ppg career
Huetis-2.5ppg career
Grant-8ppg career

PPG is not a very efficient way to rank players, especially when the player in question has one of the worst TS% in the entire league and would undoubtedly be much better if he scored less. Of the 30 players from his draft class that are still in the league, Wiggins ranks 26th in PER (a metric known for overrating bulk scorers), 26th in WS, and 30th (dead last) in VORP. Wiggins is also a worse defender than the vast majority of the players on that list.

[Galloisdaman]

LOL, no.

Embiid, Gordon, Smart, Randle, Vonleh, Saric, Lavine, Nurkic, Gary Harris, Capela, Bogdanovic, Kyle Anderson, Joe Harris, Dinwiddie, Jokic, all miles better. That’s 15 guys that are so much better it’s not even close without getting into guys like Exum, Payton, Warren, Ennis, Huestis, or Grant who are probably better too.

Wiggins has been around a 20ppg scorer for his career. You are naming several guys that do not come close to him. Wiggins has his flaws but some of this is ridiculous.

Wiggins-19.5ppg-4.2rpg career

Ebiid-Yes
Gordon-Maybe
Smart-Maybe
Randle-Depends on the year
Vonleh-5ppg career
Saric-Probably not
Lavine-Has same flaws and lower PPG career
Nurkic-Probably
Harris-Possibly
Capela-Yes
Bogdanovic-Lower pts-Lower rebounds
SlowMo-Dud offensively
Joe Harris-9PPG career
Dinwiddie-10ppg career
Jokic-Yes

Exum-6 ppg career
Payton-11 ppg career
Warren-Probably not
Ennis-4ppg career
Huetis-2.5ppg career
Grant-8ppg career

PPG is not a very efficient way to rank players, especially when the player in question has one of the worst TS% in the entire league and would undoubtedly be much better if he scored less. Of the 30 players from his draft class that are still in the league, Wiggins ranks 26th in PER (a metric known for overrating bulk scorers). 26th in WS, and 30th (dead last) in VORP. Wiggins is also a worse defender than the vast majority of the players on that list.

I'm not looking soley at PPG. I said that multiple guys that average less PPG were better than Wiggins but when you say that a guy that has averaged 2.5ppg for his career is better than a guy that has averaged 19.5ppg for his career I think that is noteworthy.

[righterwriter]

I said right away that Wiggins was Harrison Barnes with a little bit more wiggle to his game. It's almost eerie how true that turned out to be.

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Player            GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3P%  2P%  FT FTA  FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
Harrison Barnes   52 32.5 5.8 14.5 .402 2.4 .384 .416 3.3 4.0 .840 4.4 1.4 0.7 0.2 1.4 1.6 17.4
Andrew Wiggins    51 34.7 6.6 16.7 .396 1.5 .331 .422 3.1 4.4 .714 4.8 2.4 1.1 0.6 1.9 2.0 17.9


[LoveMyRaps]

Who knew the Cavs would get the better player 5 years later

I honestly believe if Wiggins started his career playing alongside LeBron he would be a much better player than what he is today.
He was sent to a sh*thole in Minny and left to figure out everything by himself. Aside from a washed up KG, there was no else on that team to learn from.