Wiz sign Jeff Green to 1 year deal

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In his long career, Jeff Green has played over 24,000 minutes. To know what we will get from him as a player all we have to do is look at his career numbers...

Oh yeah, PIF? Well, lets take a look at this season so far vs. his career.

Over that long career, Jeff has averaged 6 rebounds per 40 minutes...

But, this year so far Jeff is averaging almost 40% better than that: 8.33 boards per 40. & his offensive rebounds are up 87% from his average!

How about scoring? On his career, Jeff Green has posted a below average 2 point %, a below average 3 point % & an above average FT %. The overall result has been a Total Scoring % that's below average (but not as bad as it would be w/o the good FT %).

...Last year, Jeff ... posted a 2 point % unlike anything in his career ever.... he shot 54% on 2s.

That's a complete outlier, nothing like any previous year. If you think he'll do it again, lets put some $$ on it, ok? As much as you'd like, & I'll give you two to one odds.

So far this year, Jeff Green is shooting 61% on 2's!! Good thing nobody took my offer to bet, huh? Which is withdrawn right now!!

He's also shooting 97% from the line. Jeff is posting a TS% of 63.6% -- mind-blowingly great.

That's Jeff Green. The real Jeff Green.

I hope he stays with us for the rest of his career (as long as it's at the veteran minimum salary!).

So far, we seem to have gotten the unreal Jeff Green.

After a slow start, he's killing it over the last 5 games. Which is why we are 3-2 in those games, btw. Not bad for a vet minimum salary, & lets hope it lasts!

[nate33]

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[FAH1223]

Jeff Green is playing better than Otto Porter right now.

Just embarrassing for Otto

[Illmatic12]

Jeff Green is playing better than Otto Porter right now.

Just embarrassing for Otto

I think the shift in the league's style of play was really underestimated by a lot of people. With the way teams are playing nowadays, the value of athletic players who can shoot + drive while being switchable on defense has gone up considerably.

What the Otto advanced stats fanclub overlooked, is that Otto is an efficient standstill shooter but he's not as versatile attacking off the catch to take advantage of all the space that now exists on the court. Furthermore he's not not the most useful defensive player, because he struggles to switch onto smaller guards and gets beat up battling with bigger forwards.

The game has moved closer to Green's style of play and away from Otto's. Now, that doesn't mean Otto isn't better than Jeff Green. But the gap in their relative impact has shrunk , simply due to the nature of the game.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I think the shift in the league's style of play was really underestimated by a lot of people. With the way teams are playing nowadays, the value of athletic players who can shoot + drive while being switchable on defense has gone up considerably.

What the Otto advanced stats fanclub overlooked, is that Otto is an efficient standstill shooter but he's not as versatile attacking off the catch to take advantage of all the space that now exists on the court. Furthermore he's not not the most useful defensive player, because he struggles to switch onto smaller guards and gets beat up battling with bigger forwards.

The game has moved closer to Green's style of play and away from Otto's. Now, that doesn't mean Otto isn't better than Jeff Green. But the gap in their relative impact has shrunk , simply due to the nature of the game.

The lack ballhandling is an issue for Porter but he still has the skillset that can thrive in the modern NBA. He's athletic enough, he can shoot, pass and defend multiple positions. His problem is his lack of aggression. He doesn't attack be it on defense, offense, whatever. He's an extremely passive and selective player. In a sense, that can be a good thing because smart teams want to pick and choose their spots. But in another sense that's a problem because good teams need to create their spots rather than just waiting for them to appear and Porter is not very good at creating his spots.

The other issue with Otto that doesn't seem to get mentioned is how he avoids contact. Compare him to guys like Wall and Beal and you notice how he moves the ball as soon as there is the possibility that contact might possibly happen. He's really bad at drawing fouls and that's a function of his avoiding contact as basically a primary goal on the floor.

[nate33]

Jeff Green is playing better than Otto Porter right now.

Just embarrassing for Otto

I think the shift in the league's style of play was really underestimated by a lot of people. With the way teams are playing nowadays, the value of athletic players who can shoot + drive while being switchable on defense has gone up considerably.

What the Otto advanced stats fanclub overlooked, is that Otto is an efficient standstill shooter but he's not as versatile attacking off the catch to take advantage of all the space that now exists on the court. Furthermore he's not not the most useful defensive player, because he struggles to switch onto smaller guards and gets beat up battling with bigger forwards.

The game has moved closer to Green's style of play and away from Otto's. Now, that doesn't mean Otto isn't better than Jeff Green. But the gap in their relative impact has shrunk , simply due to the nature of the game.

I think this is overstated. The NBA hasn't changed that much in one offseason. I think Otto is just having a bad start. His defense over the balance of his career has been fine and he's certainly more switchable than Jeff Green. He's the same guy that shut down Derozan in the playoffs a few years ago. I'm also confident that by season's end, Porter will have better numbers across the board than Jeff Green.

I think the real problem is Brooks. Other coaches could find a better way to utilize Porter as a weapon. Also, Porter might be hurt.

I will cede that Porter may not be worth his contract. But he's also not THIS bad. I see no reason why he can't have a long career putting up numbers like he did last year, which makes him a very good starter, just shy of All-Star level. He's probably worth more like $18M, not $25M.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I think this is overstated. The NBA hasn't changed that much in one offseason. I think Otto is just having a bad start. His defense over the balance of his career has been fine and he's certainly more switchable than Jeff Green. He's the same guy that shut down Derozan in the playoffs a few years ago. I'm also confident that by season's end, Porter will have better numbers across the board than Jeff Green.

I think the real problem is Brooks. Other coaches could find a better way to utilize Porter as a weapon. Also, Porter might be hurt.

I will cede that Porter may not be worth his contract. But he's also not THIS bad. I see no reason why he can't have a long career putting up numbers like he did last year, which makes him a very good starter, just shy of All-Star level. He's probably worth more like $18M, not $25M.

I don't think shutting Derozan down in the playoffs is necessarily an accomplishment. He gets shut down every year. That said, you're right that Porter isn't this bad. I think Brooks is a big issue but I also don't think he's the only issue. Porter has been playing poorly enough that he can take some of the blame himself, too. I still think he's closer to a rich man's Patrick Patterson overall, though, and really wish he'd find a way to be a bit more aggressive and play through more contact.

[Illmatic12]

I think the shift in the league's style of play was really underestimated by a lot of people. With the way teams are playing nowadays, the value of athletic players who can shoot + drive while being switchable on defense has gone up considerably.

What the Otto advanced stats fanclub overlooked, is that Otto is an efficient standstill shooter but he's not as versatile attacking off the catch to take advantage of all the space that now exists on the court. Furthermore he's not not the most useful defensive player, because he struggles to switch onto smaller guards and gets beat up battling with bigger forwards.

The game has moved closer to Green's style of play and away from Otto's. Now, that doesn't mean Otto isn't better than Jeff Green. But the gap in their relative impact has shrunk , simply due to the nature of the game.

The lack ballhandling is an issue for Porter but he still has the skillset that can thrive in the modern NBA. He's athletic enough, he can shoot, pass and defend multiple positions. His problem is his lack of aggression. He doesn't attack be it on defense, offense, whatever. He's an extremely passive and selective player. In a sense, that can be a good thing because smart teams want to pick and choose their spots. But in another sense that's a problem because good teams need to create their spots rather than just waiting for them to appear and Porter is not very good at creating his spots.

The other issue with Otto that doesn't seem to get mentioned is how he avoids contact. Compare him to guys like Wall and Beal and you notice how he moves the ball as soon as there is the possibility that contact might possibly happen. He's really bad at drawing fouls and that's a function of his avoiding contact as basically a primary goal on the floor.

Can he defend multiple positions, though? Which positions? This season he's gotten beaten off the dribble by the likes of Nik Stauskas and Rodney McGruder . He's a great prospect but Luka Doncic, a rookie , got the best of Otto easily. Otto couldn't do anything vs Paul George etc etc

Otto is not an athletic enough at all. He's a subpar athlete who is outclassed physically by many wings in the modern game . And as you said, he does not like contact at all. This season he has shot 11 FTs in 12 games, that is embarrassing. Oubre has 40 FT attempts in the same minutes.

[Illmatic12]

Jeff Green is playing better than Otto Porter right now.

Just embarrassing for Otto

I think the shift in the league's style of play was really underestimated by a lot of people. With the way teams are playing nowadays, the value of athletic players who can shoot + drive while being switchable on defense has gone up considerably.

What the Otto advanced stats fanclub overlooked, is that Otto is an efficient standstill shooter but he's not as versatile attacking off the catch to take advantage of all the space that now exists on the court. Furthermore he's not not the most useful defensive player, because he struggles to switch onto smaller guards and gets beat up battling with bigger forwards.

The game has moved closer to Green's style of play and away from Otto's. Now, that doesn't mean Otto isn't better than Jeff Green. But the gap in their relative impact has shrunk , simply due to the nature of the game.

I think this is overstated. The NBA hasn't changed that much in one offseason. I think Otto is just having a bad start. His defense over the balance of his career has been fine and he's certainly more switchable than Jeff Green. He's the same guy that shut down Derozan in the playoffs a few years ago. I'm also confident that by season's end, Porter will have better numbers across the board than Jeff Green.

I think the real problem is Brooks. Other coaches could find a better way to utilize Porter as a weapon. Also, Porter might be hurt.

I will cede that Porter may not be worth his contract. But he's also not THIS bad. I see no reason why he can't have a long career putting up numbers like he did last year, which makes him a very good starter, just shy of All-Star level. He's probably worth more like $18M, not $25M.

Derozan shuts himself down in the playoffs lol, so idk how much to really take from that . And since that series, Otto has unfortunately been outplayed by the likes of Taurean Prince and Jaylen Brown in h2h playoff matchups - two younger players on rookie contracts who have essentially equaled or surpassed Otto's production within a few seasons in the league. Mikal Bridges is a rookie and will probably be Porter's equal within a season or two. OG Anunoby etc etc

It's starting to become clear that Otto only held this much value to the team because they had no other competent options at his position. With Green, Oubre, Rivers, Satoransky able to offer some level of ballhandling and defend multiple positions, it's harder for Otto to stand out. Additionally every team nowadays has a stable of 3&D wings in their rotation, and Otto does not stand out as much anymore when he's playing against other small ball wings as opposed to slower forwards.

Otto is definitely better than he's been playing. But the fact of the matter is that his value has become diluted, not just on this specific team but in the league as a whole. If he can get his numbers back to his usual 14ppg/6rpg and 40% from 3pt, I would do everything in my power to find a suitor for his contract ASAP.

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Jeff Green is playing better than Otto Porter right now.

Just embarrassing for Otto

I think the shift in the league's style of play was really underestimated by a lot of people. ...The game has moved closer to Green's style of play and away from Otto's....

I think this is overstated. The NBA hasn't changed that much in one offseason. I think Otto is just having a bad start. His defense over the balance of his career has been fine and he's certainly more switchable than Jeff Green. He's the same guy that shut down Derozan in the playoffs a few years ago. I'm also confident that by season's end, Porter will have better numbers across the board than Jeff Green.

I think the real problem is Brooks. Other coaches could find a better way to utilize Porter as a weapon. Also, Porter might be hurt.

I will cede that Porter may not be worth his contract. But he's also not THIS bad. I see no reason why he can't have a long career putting up numbers like he did last year, which makes him a very good starter, just shy of All-Star level. He's probably worth more like $18M, not $25M.

Changes in the NBA are unrelated to Otto's slow start or to Green being better than his career average. If they were, you would see a league full of guys w/ weirdly different numbers, better or worse depending on the player.

Otto Porter & Jeff Green's numbers overall are very close so far this season (although I'm sure that people who grok this will be few & far between). It's just that we expect more of Otto & less of Green.

Per 40 minutes, Jeff uses about 1.3 more possessions to score 3.6 more points than Otto. That's clearly better. He's also rebounding better.

But once you look at steals, turnovers, assists & fouls almost all of the edge goes away. Still, so far Jeff has been just slightly better than Otto.

TBH, however, that edge is almost entirely based on his last two games, in which he has gone 14-19 including 6-9 on 3's & pulled down 16 boards -- all in 55 minutes. That's really great, obviously (!), & I'm happy to see Jeff play well, but the chances of his ending the season shooting 61% on twos & 97% on FTs is... nil.

As to whether Otto is worth his salary... Well... I don't think he's the bargain that Jeff has been so far -- at $1.5m!

TBH, I don't think anyone but a true superstar is worth a max salary. OTOH, overall in the last 3 years, it looks pretty obvious to me that Otto has been a lot closer to worth his salary than Brad Beal. & he's certainly more worth his salary than there's any likelihood of John being worth his supermax (that's not intended as any kind of criticism of John Wall -- more about salaries than players).

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I'm firmly in the camp of those who believe that Otto absolutely has to diversify his game to be an all-star level player in today's NBA...or to be worth the max salary he's getting. As others have said, OP needs to improve his ballhandling and his ability to take opponents off the dribble...and generally be more aggressive. Otto is a great catch-and-shoot guy but when that's pretty much the extent of your offensive game, defenses quickly figure that out and take that aspect of the game away from you. That might be overstating the problem a bit, but I do believe that's pretty much the reality.

Regardless of how "efficient" OP is, production still matters. I'd rather have a Porter that occasionally takes a bad or forced shot than one who is so cautious that he's a nonfactor in far too many games. I've said this repeatedly over the past year or so.

As for Porter vs Beal, I'm certain that most GMs find Beal to be a much more desirable player and contract. It's pretty obvious that Beal is both the more impactful player and the better overall player...despite what the stats might say or don't say.

Defensively, Otto is fine...as good, probably better, than Green. But I do suspect that he's bothered by some nagging injury that is affecting his play.

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...Otto has unfortunately been outplayed by the likes of Taurean Prince and Jaylen Brown in h2h playoff matchups - two younger players on rookie contracts who have essentially equaled or surpassed Otto's production within a few seasons in the league. Mikal Bridges is a rookie and will probably be Porter's equal within a season or two. OG Anunoby etc etc...

Wow, we're really descending into the ridiculous, huh?

Have you actually looked at Taurean Prince's production during his less than 3800 minutes in the league so far? Nah, I didn't think so. Otherwise you might have mentioned ins 54% TS% (hasn't improved over his 3 years), his poor rebounding, & his almost 5 turnovers per 40 minutes this year -- right? In fact, Prince was awful as a rookie, just a tiny bit better his 2d year, & much worse so far this year.

As to Jaylen Brown, that's a different matter entirely. Like Otto, he was the #3 pick in the draft. You'd expect him to be good. Then again, he wasn't good as a rookie, but that was to be expected as he came into the league just turning 20. He was certainly better his 2d year -- not as good as Otto, of course, not nearly as good. Not in the same timezone good. But, still, last year he was about as good as, maybe a little better than, Brad Beal was last year.

So far this year, he's been just awful -- way way worse than Otto. But, let me break that down for you, since this is one of the guys who has, as you say, "essentially equaled or surpassed Otto's production."

Jaylen Brown is shooting 2 pt shots at 41.6%. Jaylen Brown is shooting 3 point shots at 27.5%. Jaylen Brown is shooting FTs at 64.5% Jaylen Brown's TS% is 44.3%.

Oh, and his rebounds are down, his fouls are up, his assists are down. Etc. Did you know any of this stuff? Did you bother to look up anything at all? Nah. It gets in the way of empty pontificating.

Then there's your other candidate, Anonoby. Thing is he too is off to a terrible start this year -- much much worse than Otto. Now, all the same, maybe he was a pretty good rookie. I mean despite the 5 rebounds per 40 minutes and, you know, less than 12 points per 40 minutes and all.

What was it you liked so much about him? Do yourself a favor and don't make something up, ok?

As to Mikal Bridges... you may be asking a little much of your magic 8-ball there. Don't you think? I mean... 239 minutes of mediocre play, & you're projecting him better than Otto Porter?

Actually... tell the truth, amigo, you haven't watched even one minute of the Suns this year have you? & you have no notion of how Jaylen Brown is playing, do you? & it never occurred to you to look at Anonoby's performance before you wrote down his name. Or Prince's either, for that matter.

Well, have you? Did you? & if you did, then -- why aren't you talking about how awful, what a disappointment Jaylen Brown is? Or Anonoby? Or Prince? Or how little Mikal Bridges has shown?

I guess actually paying attention to what's happening might get in the way of writing stuff like this:

It's starting to become clear that Otto only held this much value to the team because they had no other competent options at his position. With Green, Oubre, Rivers, Satoransky able to offer some level of ballhandling and defend multiple positions, it's harder for Otto to stand out. Additionally every team nowadays has a stable of 3&D wings in their rotation, and Otto does not stand out as much anymore when he's playing against other small ball wings as opposed to slower forwards.

I don't think I've ever read anything on this board quite as empty as this last paragraph.

Otto is definitely better than he's been playing. But the fact of the matter is that his value has become diluted, not just on this specific team but in the league as a whole. If he can get his numbers back to his usual 14ppg/6rpg and 40% from 3pt, I would do everything in my power to find a suitor for his contract ASAP.

I bet you would. & it's a good thing you don't have that power.

14 & 6, huh?

Let me ask you this: who scored more points per 40 minutes last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who shot a higher 2 pt. % last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who shot a higher 3 pt. % last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who shot a higher FT % last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Per 40 minutes, who got more defensive boards last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who got more offensive boards, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more assists, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more steals, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more turnovers, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who committed more fouls, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more blocks, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter?

Here's a hint and a question. Jayson Tatum did better than Otto in exactly 1 of those categories. Do you know which one? You don't, do you? See below.

Did Jayson Tatum have a good season last year? Would you think he'd proved himself more or less useless if he got off to a slow start this year? Because he sure as H%ll has -- worse than Otto.

Here: Jayson Tatum got .25 more blocks per 40 minutes last year than Otto Porter. Porter was better in every other category I ask about.

[Illmatic12]

...Otto has unfortunately been outplayed by the likes of Taurean Prince and Jaylen Brown in h2h playoff matchups - two younger players on rookie contracts who have essentially equaled or surpassed Otto's production within a few seasons in the league. Mikal Bridges is a rookie and will probably be Porter's equal within a season or two. OG Anunoby etc etc...

Wow, we're really descending into the ridiculous, huh?

Have you actually looked at Taurean Prince's production during his less than 3800 minutes in the league so far? Nah, I didn't think so. Otherwise you might have mentioned ins 54% TS% (hasn't improved over his 3 years), his poor rebounding, & his almost 5 turnovers per 40 minutes this year -- right? In fact, Prince was awful as a rookie, just a tiny bit better his 2d year, & much worse so far this year.

As to Jaylen Brown, that's a different matter entirely. Like Otto, he was the #3 pick in the draft. You'd expect him to be good. Then again, he wasn't good as a rookie, but that was to be expected as he came into the league just turning 20. He was certainly better his 2d year -- not as good as Otto, of course, not nearly as good. Not in the same timezone good. But, still, last year he was about as good as, maybe a little better than, Brad Beal was last year.

So far this year, he's been just awful -- way way worse than Otto. But, let me break that down for you, since this is one of the guys who has, as you say, "essentially equaled or surpassed Otto's production."

Jaylen Brown is shooting 2 pt shots at 41.6%. Jaylen Brown is shooting 3 point shots at 27.5%. Jaylen Brown is shooting FTs at 64.5% Jaylen Brown's TS% is 44.3%.

Oh, and his rebounds are down, his fouls are up, his assists are down. Etc. Did you know any of this stuff? Did you bother to look up anything at all? Nah. It gets in the way of empty pontificating.

Then there's your other candidate, Anonoby. Thing is he too is off to a terrible start this year -- much much worse than Otto. Now, all the same, maybe he was a pretty good rookie. I mean despite the 5 rebounds per 40 minutes and, you know, less than 12 points per 40 minutes and all.

What was it you liked so much about him? Do yourself a favor and don't make something up, ok?

As to Mikal Bridges... you may be asking a little much of your magic 8-ball there. Don't you think? I mean... 239 minutes of mediocre play, & you're projecting him better than Otto Porter?

Actually... tell the truth, amigo, you haven't watched even one minute of the Suns this year have you? & you have no notion of how Jaylen Brown is playing, do you? & it never occurred to you to look at Anonoby's performance before you wrote down his name. Or Prince's either, for that matter.

Well, have you? Did you? & if you did, then -- why aren't you talking about how awful, what a disappointment Jaylen Brown is? Or Anonoby? Or Prince? Or how little Mikal Bridges has shown?

I guess actually paying attention to what's happening might get in the way of writing stuff like this:

It's starting to become clear that Otto only held this much value to the team because they had no other competent options at his position. With Green, Oubre, Rivers, Satoransky able to offer some level of ballhandling and defend multiple positions, it's harder for Otto to stand out. Additionally every team nowadays has a stable of 3&D wings in their rotation, and Otto does not stand out as much anymore when he's playing against other small ball wings as opposed to slower forwards.

I don't think I've ever read anything on this board quite as empty as this last paragraph.

Otto is definitely better than he's been playing. But the fact of the matter is that his value has become diluted, not just on this specific team but in the league as a whole. If he can get his numbers back to his usual 14ppg/6rpg and 40% from 3pt, I would do everything in my power to find a suitor for his contract ASAP.

I bet you would. & it's a good thing you don't have that power.

14 & 6, huh?

Let me ask you this: who scored more points per 40 minutes last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who shot a higher 2 pt. % last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who shot a higher 3 pt. % last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who shot a higher FT % last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Per 40 minutes, who got more defensive boards last year, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who got more offensive boards, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more assists, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more steals, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more turnovers, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who committed more fouls, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter? Who had more blocks, Jayson Tatum or Otto Porter?

Here's a hint and a question. Jayson Tatum did better than Otto in exactly 1 of those categories. Do you know which one? You don't, do you? See below.

Did Jayson Tatum have a good season last year? Would you think he'd proved himself more or less useless if he got off to a slow start this year? Because he sure as H%ll has -- worse than Otto.

Here: Jayson Tatum got .25 more blocks per 40 minutes last year than Otto Porter. Porter was better in every other category I ask about.

Bravo! You are the official president of the Otto Porter Advanced stats fan club.
PIF you ought to get a twitter, you'd have a little cult following

Brown, Prince, Anunoby Bridges are imperfect players . And yes I know Brown and Tatum are struggling early this season, the Celtics chemistry issues have been a big storyline in the East. Prince would be very good if he cut out his long twos. Anunoby isn't a very impactful offensive player yet but he can defend multiple positions at a near-elite level. That said , I'd be willing to bet that at least 3 of those players will be more valuable than Porter within 2 years . Why?

I'm sorry but it's hard to justify this kind of hype for a15% usage offensive player who regularly gets beat off the dribble and cannot defend the perimeter (don't worry, I absolutely noticed you avoided any conversation about defense since that can't be expressed with your metrics).

You can sing Otto's praises till the cows come home, that's your prerogative. But personally I do not like wing players who are injury prone , can't create and can't defend. Just not a fan of that type of player and I hope we can trade him before his value drops any further.

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I'm firmly in the camp of those who believe that Otto absolutely has to diversify his game to be an all-star level player in today's NBA...

Regardless of how "efficient" OP is, production still matters. I'd rather have a Porter that occasionally takes a bad or forced shot than one who is so cautious that he's a nonfactor in far too many games.

As for Porter vs Beal, I'm certain that most GMs find Beal to be a much more desirable player and contract. It's pretty obvious that Beal is both the more impactful player and the better overall player...despite what the stats might say or don't say...

Otto is off to a slow start. He's starting to climb back up a little -- but not enough to make anyone happy. In that sense, this year he has certainly been "a nonfactor in... too many games."

But he wasn't last year, & he wasn't the year before.

Efficiency & production are not opposing factors. You cannot be more productive by being less efficient. Period. You can only be more productive by increasing volume at the same level of efficiency.

Now, shooting/scoring are not the only areas of production (or of efficiency for that matter), but you are pretty clearly talking explicitly about shooting/scoring.

Last year, Otto took more shots than any time in the past (more than this year as well). Because of how efficient he was (i.e. how high the percentage of his shots went in the basket), he was more productive than if he'd taken fewer shots.

In 2 point shooting last year, it took Brad 15.3 shots to make 7 of them. It took Otto 13 to make 7 of them. But In the time it took Brad to put up those 15.3 shots, Otto didn't put up 13 of them, he only put up 11.3 of them -- & made 6 not 7.

But Brad was not more productive, because he took more shots. The opposite: his extra 4 shots got us only 2 more points.

The key fact here is that shots are not free. Any "bad or forced shot" that player "A" takes is a shot that some other player would have taken if player "A" hadn't. When you take a shot you are using up a resource, an asset, from a finite number of them that are what you have, all you have, to use in order to win the game. There's a cost in other words.

If a team (i.e. any player or players) takes "a bad or forced shot" & makes it -- great! But, really, by "bad or forced" we mean "low percentage." So, when we say we want Otto Porter to add some low percentage shots, we mean that we want Otto to reduce our team's FG% in a game. We want him to use a resource in a way that hurts our chances of winning the game.

I can't understand why anyone would want that. I want his 3pt. % to go up, ditto his 2 pt. % -- obviously. & I want an offense designed to get him the shots that raise that %. Not to get him the opportunity to force shots.

Not just Otto, obviously -- any of our players. The more high % shots we take, the more shots we make -- that's what "high %" means! The more shots we make the better our chance to win the game.

There is no such thing as production independent of efficiency.

[Ruzious]

Jeff Green is quietly having the best stastical season of his career at age 32 - with career highs in both PER (15.9) and TS% (.623). But is it really much of a surprise considering last season was his best statistical full season? And he actually has trade value to playoff teams - due a lot to his success playing with Lebron last season.

[Jamaaliver]

Jeff Green is quietly having the best stastical season of his career at age 32 - with career highs in both PER (15.9) and TS% (.623).

Quietly, indeed.

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[nate33]

Jeff Green is quietly having the best stastical season of his career at age 32 - with career highs in both PER (15.9) and TS% (.623). But is it really much of a surprise considering last season was his best statistical full season? And he actually has trade value to playoff teams - due a lot to his success playing with Lebron last season.

BUMP!

Jeff Green is still looking very good. He doesn't rebound well, but he's rock solid in every other aspect of the game. Three quarters of the way through the season, Green has solidified himself as a reliable starter. He is averaging 16.1 points, 5.8 boards and 2.6 assists per 36 minutes with a .612 TS%, and he shoots .374 from 3-point range. Not bad for a vet minimum contract of $1.47M!