2018-19 Player of the Year Discussion Thread

Jim Naismith · Post #161 » by **Jim Naismith** » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:56 am

Dr Spaceman wrote:Chris Paul making a late push maybe?

CP3 alone > Harden alone > Harden + CP3

Dr Spaceman · Post #162 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:09 am

Jim Naismith wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Chris Paul making a late push maybe?

CP3 alone > Harden alone > Harden + CP3

They also beat the Warriors with Harden alone tho :lol:

Jim Naismith · Post #163 » by **Jim Naismith** » Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:12 am

Dr Spaceman wrote:
Jim Naismith wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Chris Paul making a late push maybe?

CP3 alone > Harden alone > Harden + CP3

They also beat the Warriors with Harden alone tho

Yeah, but that took a lucky three at the end of OT.

Baski · Post #164 » by **Baski** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:39 am

Jim Naismith wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
Jim Naismith wrote:
CP3 alone > Harden alone > Harden + CP3

They also beat the Warriors with Harden alone tho

Yeah, but that took a lucky three at the end of OT.

Are there really "lucky" shots? Sometimes i think that whole concept is pretty weak considering the most perfect shot can always miss and the most boneheaded ones can go in at anytime, no matter who the shooter is

E-Balla · Post #165 » by **E-Balla** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:46 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
Jim Naismith wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Chris Paul making a late push maybe?

CP3 alone > Harden alone > Harden + CP3

They also beat the Warriors with Harden alone tho

But Harden never hit a jumper on someone his height and told them they're too little so...

HeartBreakKid · Post #166 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:53 am

So Harden kind of had a big game tonight...58 points 10 assist.

RSCD3_ · Post #167 » by **RSCD3_** » Fri Mar 1, 2019 4:27 pm

But he doesn't play the game the right way so he cant be top 10...

HeartBreakKid · Post #168 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 1:24 pm

We're entering new territory. Pretty sure this is the first time since we started this project that LBJ probably won't place in top 5.

Colbinii · Post #169 » by **Colbinii** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 3:51 pm

HeartBreakKid wrote:We're entering new territory. Pretty sure this is the first time since we started this project that LBJ probably won't place in top 5.

At this point someone having LeBron in the top 5 is going to look weird...now that is weird.

E-Balla · Post #170 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Mar 8, 2019 9:07 pm

Colbinii wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:We're entering new territory. Pretty sure this is the first time since we started this project that LBJ probably won't place in top 5.

At this point someone having LeBron in the top 5 is going to look weird...now that is weird.

Honestly Lebron in the top 10 is looking like a stretch right now.

ardee · Post #171 » by **ardee** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 11:37 am

Colbinii wrote:
HeartBreakKid wrote:We're entering new territory. Pretty sure this is the first time since we started this project that LBJ probably won't place in top 5.

At this point someone having LeBron in the top 5 is going to look weird...now that is weird.

1. Giannis
2. Harden (think he's the MVP though)
3. PG
4. Curry
5. Durant

.... Yeah I don't think I can justify having LeBron in there under any circumstances. Bizarre. After a run of 8 in 10 no. 1s.

I think two guys who could jump in the Playoffs are Kawhi and Westbrook.

eminence · Post #172 » by **eminence** » Sat Mar 9, 2019 3:18 pm

Whole list feels pretty open as of now. I'd say the top guys from pretty much all the top 11 teams have a chance to make the list, don't think there's any heroic enough efforts from outside that group. Multiples from a couple (KD/Curry), probably nobody from the Pacers, I'm honestly not sure how I'm weighing the Raptors, I certainly don't think Kawhi has been their best player during the RS.

pelifan · Post #173 » by **pelifan** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:03 am

you know what F it. Paul George is my player of the year as of right now. He doesnt benefit from Coach Bud and a ton of shooting and unlike Harden he's playing DPOY level defense.

ardee · Post #174 » by **ardee** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:25 am

Giannis literally added half a win share in his last game. Noticed his total went from 12.5 to 13 after that 52/16/7 game. Pretty bleeping impressive.

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Dr Spaceman · Post #175 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:42 am

Giannis has moved into #1 in my MVP ranking. Had Harden there by a pretty clear margin but Harden’s play for the last 15 or so games has been pretty bleh. He also came into the season pretty fat and didn’t get going until game 25 or so. As impressive as his mid-season play was I just don’t think his body of work holds up against Giannis anymore.

ardee · Post #176 » by **ardee** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:56 am

Dr Spaceman wrote:Giannis has moved into #1 in my MVP ranking. Had Harden there by a pretty clear margin but Harden’s play for the last 15 or so games has been pretty bleh. He also came into the season pretty fat and didn’t get going until game 25 or so. As impressive as his mid-season play was I just don’t think his body of work holds up against Giannis anymore.

That is fair tbh. I had Giannis as no. 1 in POY for a while but Harden still the MVP... but you're right, I hadn't noticed but Harden has slacked for a while while Giannis has been on a ridiculous tear since the start of Feb (30/13/6 on 68% TS). It's still close (I think Harden's streak really was that good), there's room for either of them to pull away in this final month but I think you're right, Giannis is at 1 by a bit now.

This is a legendary season.... statistically almost holds up against Curry '16, Westbrook '17 and better than Harden '18 (we've actually been on quite a streak with epic statistical seasons every year for a while now).

Dr Spaceman · Post #177 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:30 am

ardee wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Giannis has moved into #1 in my MVP ranking. Had Harden there by a pretty clear margin but Harden’s play for the last 15 or so games has been pretty bleh. He also came into the season pretty fat and didn’t get going until game 25 or so. As impressive as his mid-season play was I just don’t think his body of work holds up against Giannis anymore.

That is fair tbh. I had Giannis as no. 1 in POY for a while but Harden still the MVP... but you're right, I hadn't noticed but Harden has slacked for a while while Giannis has been on a ridiculous tear since the start of Feb (30/13/6 on 68% TS). It's still close (I think Harden's streak really was that good), there's room for either of them to pull away in this final month but I think you're right, Giannis is at 1 by a bit now.

This is a legendary season.... statistically almost holds up against Curry '16, Westbrook '17 and better than Harden '18 (we've actually been on quite a streak with epic statistical seasons every year for a while now).

Giannis’ body of work is more impressive on the season but I still consider Harden the better player. Giannis... maybe I should just give him an incomplete as of now until I see his postseason. His offensive attack is so one-dimensional, just put your head down and barrel through the defender, that I struggle to believe some playoff coach won’t take a lot off the table for him. If I’m wrong, it basically makes him Shaq-tier, which... well let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

As of right now I think Harden, Paul, Durant, Curry are better players but Giannis has outperformed them all so far this season. With a dominant playoff run he could be #1 both in POY and best player in the league no problem.

E-Balla · Post #178 » by **E-Balla** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:08 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
ardee wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:Giannis has moved into #1 in my MVP ranking. Had Harden there by a pretty clear margin but Harden’s play for the last 15 or so games has been pretty bleh. He also came into the season pretty fat and didn’t get going until game 25 or so. As impressive as his mid-season play was I just don’t think his body of work holds up against Giannis anymore.

That is fair tbh. I had Giannis as no. 1 in POY for a while but Harden still the MVP... but you're right, I hadn't noticed but Harden has slacked for a while while Giannis has been on a ridiculous tear since the start of Feb (30/13/6 on 68% TS). It's still close (I think Harden's streak really was that good), there's room for either of them to pull away in this final month but I think you're right, Giannis is at 1 by a bit now.

This is a legendary season.... statistically almost holds up against Curry '16, Westbrook '17 and better than Harden '18 (we've actually been on quite a streak with epic statistical seasons every year for a while now).

Giannis’ body of work is more impressive on the season but I still consider Harden the better player. Giannis... maybe I should just give him an incomplete as of now until I see his postseason. His offensive attack is so one-dimensional, just put your head down and barrel through the defender, that I struggle to believe some playoff coach won’t take a lot off the table for him. If I’m wrong, it basically makes him Shaq-tier, which... well let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

As of right now I think Harden, Paul, Durant, Curry are better players but Giannis has outperformed them all so far this season. With a dominant playoff run he could be #1 both in POY and best player in the league no problem.

At this point Giannis is looking as good as any player I've ever seen live including Lebron in 09 and Shaq in 01. It's that level of dominance in all ways.

Dr Spaceman · Post #179 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:14 pm

E-Balla wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
ardee wrote:
That is fair tbh. I had Giannis as no. 1 in POY for a while but Harden still the MVP... but you're right, I hadn't noticed but Harden has slacked for a while while Giannis has been on a ridiculous tear since the start of Feb (30/13/6 on 68% TS). It's still close (I think Harden's streak really was that good), there's room for either of them to pull away in this final month but I think you're right, Giannis is at 1 by a bit now.

This is a legendary season.... statistically almost holds up against Curry '16, Westbrook '17 and better than Harden '18 (we've actually been on quite a streak with epic statistical seasons every year for a while now).

Giannis’ body of work is more impressive on the season but I still consider Harden the better player. Giannis... maybe I should just give him an incomplete as of now until I see his postseason. His offensive attack is so one-dimensional, just put your head down and barrel through the defender, that I struggle to believe some playoff coach won’t take a lot off the table for him. If I’m wrong, it basically makes him Shaq-tier, which... well let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

As of right now I think Harden, Paul, Durant, Curry are better players but Giannis has outperformed them all so far this season. With a dominant playoff run he could be #1 both in POY and best player in the league no problem.

At this point Giannis is looking as good as any player I've ever seen live including Lebron in 09 and Shaq in 01. It's that level of dominance in all ways.

I think that is waaaaaaaay jumping the gun. He reminds me more of 07 baby Lebron who’d just use his first step to blow by anyone and everyone, except here it’s his strength he relies on rather than explosion.

Still people don’t give enough credit to how good his cast is. They remind me of a souped-up version of that team Dwight took to the Finals, just really good shooting and playmaking and defense all up and down the roster and we’ll ahead of their time in terms of some concepts they implement. Any player would drool over having a roster like this built around them.

Giannis Lacks the diversity in his game that peak Lebron had. I mean Giannis can’t even really run a pick and roll due to his lack of shooting. It’s possible no one will be able to stop him but lots of teams in the East have size right now.

kabstah · Post #180 » by **kabstah** » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:41 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
Giannis’ body of work is more impressive on the season but I still consider Harden the better player. Giannis... maybe I should just give him an incomplete as of now until I see his postseason. His offensive attack is so one-dimensional, just put your head down and barrel through the defender, that I struggle to believe some playoff coach won’t take a lot off the table for him. If I’m wrong, it basically makes him Shaq-tier, which... well let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

As of right now I think Harden, Paul, Durant, Curry are better players but Giannis has outperformed them all so far this season. With a dominant playoff run he could be #1 both in POY and best player in the league no problem.

At this point Giannis is looking as good as any player I've ever seen live including Lebron in 09 and Shaq in 01. It's that level of dominance in all ways.

I think that is waaaaaaaay jumping the gun. He reminds me more of 07 baby Lebron who’d just use his first step to blow by anyone and everyone, except here it’s his strength he relies on rather than explosion.

Still people don’t give enough credit to how good his cast is. They remind me of a souped-up version of that team Dwight took to the Finals, just really good shooting and playmaking and defense all up and down the roster and we’ll ahead of their time in terms of some concepts they implement. Any player would drool over having a roster like this built around them.

Giannis Lacks the diversity in his game that peak Lebron had. I mean Giannis can’t even really run a pick and roll due to his lack of shooting. It’s possible no one will be able to stop him but lots of teams in the East have size right now.

At this point, I would be far more concerned about the Bucks' defense than their offense. Broadly speaking, we already know that one dominant inside presence surrounded by four shooters can set the world on fire. It's not a strategy that's new and unproven, and last season we saw both Giannis and Milwaukee as a team hold up just fine against Boston's top-rated defense.

On the other side of the ball, however, the Bucks give up the most 3's in the league and are somehow still the #1 defense. That's unprecedented, and I think it's fair to question if they might get absolutely lit up if an opponent gets hot for one playoff series.