Kentucky prospects (Johnson, Hagans, Washington, Herro...)

[Duke4life831]

I think this is Cal's best coaching performance at UK. I think he's doing all this with maybe only 1 NBA starter on this team. Johnson is the only one right now I see as a lock for a starter. I think Herro has the 2nd best chance. No elite talent this year from UK.

worse than last year's?

I think this year's UK team is better, but last year had the better NBA prospects.

[clyde21]

I think this is Cal's best coaching performance at UK. I think he's doing all this with maybe only 1 NBA starter on this team. Johnson is the only one right now I see as a lock for a starter. I think Herro has the 2nd best chance. No elite talent this year from UK.

worse than last year's?

I think this year's UK team is better, but last year had the better NBA prospects.

SGA, Knox, Vanderbilt vs. Keldon, PJ, Hagans and Herro.

i wasn't particularly high on Knox so I'd probably go with this years tbh

[PLO]

Interesting bit to come out of Sam Vecinie's first articles on his interviews with college coaches is quite a number think Herro should return and some think he "could be" an NBA player if he works on certain areas. He's also not as athletic as some claim him to be. I think where Vecinie has pegged at around the 35 mark in the draft is fair.

[clyde21]

Interesting bit to come out of Sam Vecinie's first articles on his interviews with college coaches is quite a number think Herro should return and some think he "could be" an NBA player if he works on certain areas. He's also not as athletic as some claim him to be. I think where Vecinie has pegged at around the 35 mark in the draft is fair.

going back to college does nothing for Herro. he's not gonna get longer or more athletic. if you don't like Herro today, I'm not sure what he can do to make you like him next season. does shooting 45% instead of 41% make the difference here?

and fwiw, Herro in conf play has a +26.1 Net Rating, 19.6 PER, 60.3 TS%, shooting 46.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3.

[PLO]

Interesting bit to come out of Sam Vecinie's first articles on his interviews with college coaches is quite a number think Herro should return and some think he "could be" an NBA player if he works on certain areas. He's also not as athletic as some claim him to be. I think where Vecinie has pegged at around the 35 mark in the draft is fair.

going back to college does nothing for Herro. he's not gonna get longer or more athletic. if you don't like Herro today, I'm not sure what he can do to make you like him next season. does shooting 45% instead of 41% make the difference here?

and fwiw, Herro in conf play has a +26.1 Net Rating, 19.6 PER, 60.3 TS%, shooting 46.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3.

If he gets a first round promise obviously he’s gone. I think you evaluate players differently to me, I prefer to lay optics on them over stats. Seemingly why you’re higher on Nas Little than me. With Herro I think he’s going to be overwhelmed athletically in the NBA. A smaller, lesser version of Nik Stauskas basically.

[clyde21]

Interesting bit to come out of Sam Vecinie's first articles on his interviews with college coaches is quite a number think Herro should return and some think he "could be" an NBA player if he works on certain areas. He's also not as athletic as some claim him to be. I think where Vecinie has pegged at around the 35 mark in the draft is fair.

going back to college does nothing for Herro. he's not gonna get longer or more athletic. if you don't like Herro today, I'm not sure what he can do to make you like him next season. does shooting 45% instead of 41% make the difference here?

and fwiw, Herro in conf play has a +26.1 Net Rating, 19.6 PER, 60.3 TS%, shooting 46.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3.

If he gets a first round promise obviously he’s gone. I think you evaluate players differently to me, I prefer to lay optics on them over stats. Seemingly why you’re higher on Nas Little than me. With Herro I think he’s going to be overwhelmed athletically in the NBA. A smaller, lesser version of Nik Stauskas basically.

nah, I do both. I was high on Herro earlier in the year before he was productive.

as for Little, I'm not using stats to say he's a great prospect. im using stats to say he deserves more playing time.

[mattg]

Interesting bit to come out of Sam Vecinie's first articles on his interviews with college coaches is quite a number think Herro should return and some think he "could be" an NBA player if he works on certain areas. He's also not as athletic as some claim him to be. I think where Vecinie has pegged at around the 35 mark in the draft is fair.

going back to college does nothing for Herro. he's not gonna get longer or more athletic. if you don't like Herro today, I'm not sure what he can do to make you like him next season. does shooting 45% instead of 41% make the difference here?

and fwiw, Herro in conf play has a +26.1 Net Rating, 19.6 PER, 60.3 TS%, shooting 46.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3.

The argument would be that an nba team doesn’t want to pay for Herro to ride the bench for a year while he physically develops more before he’s able to step in and play. Him staying let’s him develop a bit on UK’s dime so that when he is drafted he is still cost controlled for 4 years.

If he stays I think he’s for sure an NCAA AA as a sophomore.

[clyde21]

Interesting bit to come out of Sam Vecinie's first articles on his interviews with college coaches is quite a number think Herro should return and some think he "could be" an NBA player if he works on certain areas. He's also not as athletic as some claim him to be. I think where Vecinie has pegged at around the 35 mark in the draft is fair.

going back to college does nothing for Herro. he's not gonna get longer or more athletic. if you don't like Herro today, I'm not sure what he can do to make you like him next season. does shooting 45% instead of 41% make the difference here?

and fwiw, Herro in conf play has a +26.1 Net Rating, 19.6 PER, 60.3 TS%, shooting 46.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3.

The argument would be that an nba team doesn’t want to pay for Herro to ride the bench for a year while he physically develops more before he’s able to step in and play. Him staying let’s him develop a bit on UK’s dime so that when he is drafted he is still cost controlled for 4 years.

If he stays I think he’s for sure an NCAA AA as a sophomore.

eh, not the case anymore. SGA and Fox got into the league 170 lbs soaking wet. it isn't the physical game it used to be. also he can focus on developing his body more in the NBA than in college, and he won't be used much his rookie year anyways outside of spot up shooting and running off screens anyways.

[PLO]

going back to college does nothing for Herro. he's not gonna get longer or more athletic. if you don't like Herro today, I'm not sure what he can do to make you like him next season. does shooting 45% instead of 41% make the difference here?

and fwiw, Herro in conf play has a +26.1 Net Rating, 19.6 PER, 60.3 TS%, shooting 46.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3.

The argument would be that an nba team doesn’t want to pay for Herro to ride the bench for a year while he physically develops more before he’s able to step in and play. Him staying let’s him develop a bit on UK’s dime so that when he is drafted he is still cost controlled for 4 years.

If he stays I think he’s for sure an NCAA AA as a sophomore.

eh, not the case anymore. SGA and Fox got into the league 170 lbs soaking wet. it isn't the physical game it used to be. also he can focus on developing his body more in the NBA than in college, and he won't be used much his rookie year anyways outside of spot up shooting and running off screens anyways.

SGA and Fox are very different players to Herro. Both are on-ball; Shai has an extremely advanced handle and a very high IQ for his age, he's also mega-long for a PG. Fox is already one of the quickest players in the NBA and can get separation very easily. If you're going to compare Herro to anyone it should be pure 2s, because that's the position he'll play in the NBA exclusively, and if you compare him to that category he really does not scrub up very well at all.

[clyde21]

The argument would be that an nba team doesn’t want to pay for Herro to ride the bench for a year while he physically develops more before he’s able to step in and play. Him staying let’s him develop a bit on UK’s dime so that when he is drafted he is still cost controlled for 4 years.

If he stays I think he’s for sure an NCAA AA as a sophomore.

eh, not the case anymore. SGA and Fox got into the league 170 lbs soaking wet. it isn't the physical game it used to be. also he can focus on developing his body more in the NBA than in college, and he won't be used much his rookie year anyways outside of spot up shooting and running off screens anyways.

SGA and Fox are very different players to Herro. Both are on-ball; Shai has an extremely advanced handle and a very high IQ for his age, he's also mega-long for a PG. Fox is already one of the quickest players in the NBA and can get separation very easily. If you're going to compare Herro to anyone it should be pure 2s, because that's the position he'll play in the NBA exclusively, and if you compare him to that category he really does not scrub up very well at all.

but isn't the fact that they're on-ball even more of a reason for them to develop physically? Herro won't be asked to do much early more than spot up shoot. And again, Fox/SGA still have a lot of developing to do physically.

either way, what is Herro staying another season really gonna for u if you don't think he's athletic or lengthy enough for the NBA? that's not gonna change.

[PLO]

eh, not the case anymore. SGA and Fox got into the league 170 lbs soaking wet. it isn't the physical game it used to be. also he can focus on developing his body more in the NBA than in college, and he won't be used much his rookie year anyways outside of spot up shooting and running off screens anyways.

SGA and Fox are very different players to Herro. Both are on-ball; Shai has an extremely advanced handle and a very high IQ for his age, he's also mega-long for a PG. Fox is already one of the quickest players in the NBA and can get separation very easily. If you're going to compare Herro to anyone it should be pure 2s, because that's the position he'll play in the NBA exclusively, and if you compare him to that category he really does not scrub up very well at all.

but isn't the fact that they're on-ball even more of a reason for them to develop physically? Herro won't be asked to do much early more than spot up shoot. And again, Fox/SGA still have a lot of developing to do physically.

either way, what is Herro staying another season really gonna for u if you don't think he's athletic or lengthy enough for the NBA? that's not gonna change.

I think what these coaches are getting at is he does have areas to work on outside of his athletic deficiencies - for one he could be a lot quicker off-ball which in part is a motor issue.

For me, obviously, at this stage I don't think he'll ever overcome his deficiencies to be at an acceptable NBA level, you're obviously in another camp which is fine. It's not as if you are alone there and everyone's right at this stage anyway.

[clyde21]

SGA and Fox are very different players to Herro. Both are on-ball; Shai has an extremely advanced handle and a very high IQ for his age, he's also mega-long for a PG. Fox is already one of the quickest players in the NBA and can get separation very easily. If you're going to compare Herro to anyone it should be pure 2s, because that's the position he'll play in the NBA exclusively, and if you compare him to that category he really does not scrub up very well at all.

but isn't the fact that they're on-ball even more of a reason for them to develop physically? Herro won't be asked to do much early more than spot up shoot. And again, Fox/SGA still have a lot of developing to do physically.

either way, what is Herro staying another season really gonna for u if you don't think he's athletic or lengthy enough for the NBA? that's not gonna change.

I think what these coaches are getting at is he does have areas to work on outside of his athletic deficiencies - for one he could be a lot quicker off-ball which in part is a motor issue.

For me, obviously, at this stage I don't think he'll ever overcome his deficiencies to be at an acceptable NBA level, you're obviously in another camp which is fine. It's not as if you are alone there and everyone's right at this stage anyway.

i mean it's fine if u don't like him as a prospect, im just saying that staying another year isn't necessarily gonna change anything for u anyways.

[EvanZ]

Herro measured 12+% BF and 6'4.5" wingspan at the Kentucky Pro Day. There's only so far that body is going to take him.

[RipCity71252]

Herro measured 12+% BF and 6'4.5" wingspan at the Kentucky Pro Day. There's only so far that body is going to take him.

Nobody is saying that his tools aren't a limitation.

But in a draft this wide open past the top 10 or so, there's a lot of appeal in a guy that's skilled, competitive, knows how to play and has a likely elite and valuable skill.

[King Ken]

Herro looked insanely good tonight. I don't have him on my 2019 board but he might get some looks in the late 1st for 2020 if he improves at this rate.

[clyde21]

Herro measured 12+% BF and 6'4.5" wingspan at the Kentucky Pro Day. There's only so far that body is going to take him.

Nobody is saying that his tools aren't a limitation.

But in a draft this wide open past the top 10 or so, there's a lot of appeal in a guy that's skilled, competitive, knows how to play and has a likely elite and valuable skill.

i like wingspan as much as the next guy, but it's not everything. a player can compensate a short wingspan with a good motor and basketball instincts, which Herro has in spades.

fwiw, he's now shooting 51.4% from range in February.

[No-Man]

lack of fluidity/moving like a cranky old man are part of his limitations, he is quick and sort of athletic but needs to correct stuff about his posture, improve flexibility etc, he also has terrible handles, not saying that he needs those because I'd want him as a low usage shooter ideally but he fancies himself as a scorer, so that's kinda dangerous, also for a guy that in theory is a gym-rat/worker, having a +12BF% ain't a great sign

I am buying in the shot, athleticism/motor, and some work-ethic components, but he needs self-awareness

[Ruzious]

Herro measured 12+% BF and 6'4.5" wingspan at the Kentucky Pro Day. There's only so far that body is going to take him.

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/tyler-herro.html has his wingspan at 6'10 - don't know where they got it, and I assume it's wrong.

His game last night was phenominal. He took 10 FGA's and scored 29 points - that's crazy. He also did everything else well.

[clyde21]

dude is shooting 48/46/98 in conference play.

98% at the FT line is pretty absurd.

[EvanZ]

Herro measured 12+% BF and 6'4.5" wingspan at the Kentucky Pro Day. There's only so far that body is going to take him.

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/tyler-herro.html has his wingspan at 6'10 - don't know where they got it, and I assume it's wrong.

Yeah I have seen that too. No idea where they got that from.