Political Roundtable Part XXV

[dckingsfan]

Why I think I am at least touching on a part of the elephant is that a recent poll (for Axios on HBO) uncovered that about a third of Americans do not approve of marriages between those of other parties. This jumps to nearly 50% among liberal Democrats. Vs.:

[Wizardspride]

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[gtn130]

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"process crimes"

[Pointgod]

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"process crimes"

Trump “Hold my beer”

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I’ve got my popcorn ready!

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Here’s what I don’t get. If nothing came out of the meeting then why all the lying and evasion about it? It can’t be for political reasons, we know Trumps base doesn’t give a **** about political reasons. Why does the story keep changing if the meeting was innocent? I’m trying to wrap my head around why all the figures in the meeting would lie about it in the first place if they honestly didn’t use any of the info from it.

[Jamaaliver]

How ARE WE LETTING THIS HAPPEN YET AGAIN?!?

‘Sustained and ongoing’ disinformation assault targets Dem presidential candidates

A coordinated barrage of social media attacks suggests the involvement of foreign state actors




A wide-ranging disinformation campaign aimed at Democratic 2020 candidates is already underway on social media, with signs that foreign state actors are driving at least some of the activity.

The main targets appear to be Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas), four of the most prominent announced or prospective candidates for president.

... the divisive nature of many of the posts also hints at a broader effort to sow discord and chaos within the Democratic presidential primary.

The cyber propaganda — which frequently picks at the rawest, most sensitive issues in public discourse — is being pushed across a variety of platforms and with a more insidious approach than in the 2016 presidential election, when online attacks designed to polarize and mislead voters first surfaced on a massive scale.

Politico

[Jamaaliver]

After Putin's warning, Russian TV lists nuclear targets in U.S.



In the Sunday evening broadcast, Dmitry Kiselyov, presenter of Russia's main weekly TV news show 'Vesti Nedeli', showed a map of the United States and identified several targets he said Moscow would want to hit in the event of a nuclear war.

The targets, which Kiselyov described as U.S. presidential or military command centers, also included Fort Ritchie, a military training center in Maryland closed in 1998, McClellan, a U.S. Air Force base in California closed in 2001, and Jim Creek, a naval communications base in Washington state.

Kiselyov, who is close to the Kremlin, said the "Tsirkon" ('Zircon') hypersonic missile that Russia is developing could hit the targets in less than five minutes if launched from Russian submarines.

Asked to comment on Kiselyov's report, the Kremlin said on Monday it did not interfere in state TV's editorial policy.

Reuters

[Jamaaliver]

The slowly written Mueller report that’s sitting in plain sight



Imagine if, instead of Mueller releasing new public indictments as he went along, leveraging criminal charges to obtain more information from the targets of his probe, he instead had kept his information private. Imagine if he and his lawyers had been working in quiet for 20 months, submitting expenses to the Department of Justice and suffering the president’s tweeted ferocity.

And then, after all of that, they suddenly produced a dozen indictments and plea deals running into hundreds of pages, detailing former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s illegal and questionable financial dealings, those of his deputy Rick Gates, full details of Russia’s alleged efforts to influence social media and to steal electronic information from Democratic targets and detailed a half-dozen people who admitted to lying to federal investigators.

Imagine if that had landed with a thud on the attorney general’s desk.

Spoiler:

It is absolutely true that little of the activity undertaken by the Americans on that list involved criminal activity directly related to the campaign. But Manafort’s and Gates’s involvement in the campaign meant they got looped into Mueller’s probe, to their detriment.

The Mueller report that is sitting in plain sight above does not show that Trump himself actively conspired with Russian actors to influence the election. It does show, though, that his campaign and campaign team were a locus of suspicious activity and suspicious actors.

That this network has been fleshed out slowly over the course of 16 months has made it easy to overlook what we’ve already learned. Mueller’s report is, to some significant degree, already out.

Washington Post

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[dckingsfan]

Let's see - misogynistic and racist campaign. Bernie can't bring himself to call Maduro a dictator... and now this.

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[TGW]

Let's see - misogynistic and racist campaign. Bernie can't bring himself to call Maduro a dictator... and now this.

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You're going to be salty when you have to say "President Sanders" in 2020, dckings. It's gonna BERN your soul.

Oh, and get ready for GND too.

[dckingsfan]

Let's see - misogynistic and racist campaign. Bernie can't bring himself to call Maduro a dictator... and now this.

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You're going to be salty when you have to say "President Sanders" in 2020, dckings. It's gonna BERN your soul.

Oh, and get ready for GND too.

I have my $600K Ready and waiting
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/green-new-deal-93-trillion-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

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[Pointgod]

Let's see - misogynistic and racist campaign. Bernie can't bring himself to call Maduro a dictator... and now this.

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You're going to be salty when you have to say "President Sanders" in 2020, dckings. It's gonna BERN your soul.

Oh, and get ready for GND too.

Oh this is sig worthy

[closg00]

Countdown to impeachment. COLLUSION

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[montestewart]

Why I think I am at least touching on a part of the elephant is that a recent poll (for Axios on HBO) uncovered that about a third of Americans do not approve of marriages between those of other parties. This jumps to nearly 50% among liberal Democrats. Vs.:

Couldn't find any polls that support that statement. The graph above doesn't. Maybe I don't understand the statement.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I have my $600K Ready and waiting
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/green-new-deal-93-trillion-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

The interesting thing about the plan she's proposing is that it's mostly thrown out of whack by the non-green parts of the plan. The guaranteed federal jobs part and the universal health care part are over 80% of that particular cost estimation. Reworking the universal health care part to actually make it cost effective rather than cost prohibitive and removing the whole guaranteed federal jobs part and there are some ideas that I can get behind.

At the heart of it all isn't actually problems with her ideas but problems with government's inabilities to control costs, which is emphasized by the guaranteed government jobs part of the equation. A lot of the actual green parts of the deal come with costs but they generally aren't weighed against the costs of inaction. There are going to be absolutely massive costs without action, heck even with the actions AOC is proposing there will probably be additional costs as they are unavoidable at this point. The thing is, those costs aren't immediately financial. They come in the form of wildfires and environmental changes that have the potential to dwarf the costs of what she's proposing. I wish someone with a certain amount of fiscal savvy would propose these kinds of measures with cost-controls built in but they never do, focusing more on the immediate financial ramifications in order to dismiss the ideas rather than the longer term indirect financial ramifications which offload even bigger costs onto future generations. Instead, the only people proposing the kinds of macro changes we need are those who largely ignore the micro.

[dckingsfan]

Why I think I am at least touching on a part of the elephant is that a recent poll (for Axios on HBO) uncovered that about a third of Americans do not approve of marriages between those of other parties. This jumps to nearly 50% among liberal Democrats. Vs.:

Couldn't find any polls that support that statement. The graph above doesn't. Maybe I don't understand the statement.

Interesting that you couldn't find any links on the subject... here is one:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-brain-politics/201210/why-republicans-don-t-want-marry-democrats