Mitchell Robinson is the NBA’s top shot blocker

[RHODEY]

Nobody averaging 18 mpg and 6 ppg is gonna be the centerpiece of anything.

Yeah







you're right....

Not sure what your point is?

[LAL]

Yeah







you're right....

Not sure what your point is?

Editing away half my posts so you don’t have to address the argument. SAD!

[dred926]

robinson had a good game vs ayton in highschool. Right now he is doing lobs and dunks because thats how he is being utilized, this kid can shoot better than Simmons could. Knicks were lucky to give this kid a chance IMHO he was the best C after ayton . Ayton is just better offensively but once robinson gets more burn watch out. Kid is a monster.. I remember someone saying he was AD lite

[AussieBuck]

Uh, shot blocker would have sufficed, but I guess you need to use all those words, so...

I see I've upset a horde of Knicks fans. Don't see why, he's clearly version 3 billion of young talented defender who bites on every move. He'll get more experienced and disciplined with time and become a much better defender. He's like a young Ibaka, blocked everything in sight then got subbed out at the end game defensive possessions for Nick Collison.

Your assessment is so off. If it were correct, we'd give you credit. You obviously do not watch him play. Once you have, your opinion would matter. He truly is a game changer and not just a jumper. Once again, watch the tape.

I've seen him a few times, he looks like a typical hyperactive rookie defensive big. He fouls out per36. He'll grow out of it and he'll also block a bunch less shots in the process.

[RHODEY]

Not sure what your point is?

Editing away half my posts so you don’t have to address the argument. SAD!

The half where you moved the goal posts.

[Icandoallthings]

Give it time I want to see how he adjusts to screens, box outs and switches. Can he contain bigger centers etc. Guys may try to bait him into fouling (James Harden etc). At least he is interesting.

[shtolky]

I see I've upset a horde of Knicks fans. Don't see why, he's clearly version 3 billion of young talented defender who bites on every move. He'll get more experienced and disciplined with time and become a much better defender. He's like a young Ibaka, blocked everything in sight then got subbed out at the end game defensive possessions for Nick Collison.

Your assessment is so off. If it were correct, we'd give you credit. You obviously do not watch him play. Once you have, your opinion would matter. He truly is a game changer and not just a jumper. Once again, watch the tape.

I've seen him a few times, he looks like a typical hyperactive rookie defensive big. He fouls out per36. He'll grow out of it and he'll also block a bunch less shots in the process.

Typical hyperactive rookie who is doing things only hall of fame centers have done? He's anything but typical. He just needs to show this consistently. Knick fans are excited because he really has been a game changer, but fans have to be cautious because it's only been like this for a month.

Also the fouling issue you mentioned shows your mostly paying attention to the stats and not actually watching him. The fouling issues have been reduced dramatically. He's come a very long way in a short period of time.

[Karate Diop]

Your assessment is so off. If it were correct, we'd give you credit. You obviously do not watch him play. Once you have, your opinion would matter. He truly is a game changer and not just a jumper. Once again, watch the tape.

I've seen him a few times, he looks like a typical hyperactive rookie defensive big. He fouls out per36. He'll grow out of it and he'll also block a bunch less shots in the process.

Typical hyperactive rookie who is doing things only hall of fame centers have done? He's anything but typical. He just needs to show this consistently. Knick fans are excited because he really has been a game changer, but fans have to be cautious because it's only been like this for a month.

Also the fouling issue you mentioned shows your mostly paying attention to the stats and not actually watching him. The fouling issues have been reduced dramatically. He's come a very long way in a short period of time.

I'm all for the hype as he's probably the only positive the Knicks have had this year, but calling him a "game changer" seems a bit disingenuous... If we're being 100% objective Mitchell Robinson is not changing the way any Knicks games goes. It's L-City in Manhattan regardless of what Robinson does.

[blueNorange]

I've seen him a few times, he looks like a typical hyperactive rookie defensive big. He fouls out per36. He'll grow out of it and he'll also block a bunch less shots in the process.

Typical hyperactive rookie who is doing things only hall of fame centers have done? He's anything but typical. He just needs to show this consistently. Knick fans are excited because he really has been a game changer, but fans have to be cautious because it's only been like this for a month.

Also the fouling issue you mentioned shows your mostly paying attention to the stats and not actually watching him. The fouling issues have been reduced dramatically. He's come a very long way in a short period of time.

I'm all for the hype as he's probably the only positive the Knicks have had this year, but calling him a "game changer" seems a bit disingenuous... If we're being 100% objective Mitchell Robinson is not changing the way any Knicks games goes. It's L-City in Manhattan
regardless of what Robinson does.

if you affect the way players attack the rim, you're a game changer.

it's not hype, being able to defend the perimeter and the paint isn't hype. it's actual stats.

[ellobo]

I've seen him a few times, he looks like a typical hyperactive rookie defensive big. He fouls out per36. :lol: He'll grow out of it and he'll also block a bunch less shots in the process.

Typical hyperactive rookie who is doing things only hall of fame centers have done? He's anything but typical. He just needs to show this consistently. Knick fans are excited because he really has been a game changer, but fans have to be cautious because it's only been like this for a month.

Also the fouling issue you mentioned shows your mostly paying attention to the stats and not actually watching him. The fouling issues have been reduced dramatically. He's come a very long way in a short period of time.

I'm all for the hype as he's probably the only positive the Knicks have had this year, but calling him a "game changer" seems a bit disingenuous... If we're being 100% objective Mitchell Robinson is not changing the way any Knicks games goes. It's L-City in Manhattan
regardless of what Robinson does.

Last two games (wins) he absolutely wrecked the offenses of the Spurs and Magic. It wasn't just the shots he blocked. Guys were scared off shooting, scared off dribble penetration, and rushed a lot of shots they took. And he didn't get bullied or pick up bad fouls when matched up against Aldridge and Vucevic (although he wasn't always matched up against either guy).

Besides just being smarter about not fouling, he's also getting the benefit of the doubt more from the refs. He got away with one block late in the Magic game where he obviously clocked Isaac in the head and there was no call.

[shtolky]

I've seen him a few times, he looks like a typical hyperactive rookie defensive big. He fouls out per36. He'll grow out of it and he'll also block a bunch less shots in the process.

Typical hyperactive rookie who is doing things only hall of fame centers have done? He's anything but typical. He just needs to show this consistently. Knick fans are excited because he really has been a game changer, but fans have to be cautious because it's only been like this for a month.

Also the fouling issue you mentioned shows your mostly paying attention to the stats and not actually watching him. The fouling issues have been reduced dramatically. He's come a very long way in a short period of time.

I'm all for the hype as he's probably the only positive the Knicks have had this year, but calling him a "game changer" seems a bit disingenuous... If we're being 100% objective Mitchell Robinson is not changing the way any Knicks games goes. It's L-City in Manhattan regardless of what Robinson does.

You can be a game changing player even if your team loses. He absolutely changes the way the game is going when he is inserted into the lineup. It's clear as day. I'm not even referring to the last two wins in which he was clearly the main reason they won. Also, I said this has only been going on for a month (his February numbers are phenomenal), so it's why Knick fans are being cautiously optimistic.

[Kampuchea]

Redraft he’s top 10, going before Knox as well.

[Karate Diop]

Typical hyperactive rookie who is doing things only hall of fame centers have done? He's anything but typical. He just needs to show this consistently. Knick fans are excited because he really has been a game changer, but fans have to be cautious because it's only been like this for a month.

Also the fouling issue you mentioned shows your mostly paying attention to the stats and not actually watching him. The fouling issues have been reduced dramatically. He's come a very long way in a short period of time.

I'm all for the hype as he's probably the only positive the Knicks have had this year, but calling him a "game changer" seems a bit disingenuous... If we're being 100% objective Mitchell Robinson is not changing the way any Knicks games goes. It's L-City in Manhattan
regardless of what Robinson does.

Last two games (wins) he absolutely wrecked the offenses of the Spurs and Magic. It wasn't just the shots he blocked. Guys were scared off shooting, scared off dribble penetration, and rushed a lot of shots they took. And he didn't get bullied or pick up bad fouls when matched up against Aldridge and Vucevic (although he wasn't always matched up against either guy).

Again... This is pretty extreme hyperbole. And while I understand where it comes from... I also feel obligated to call out.

Aldridge shot 7-12 (58%) from the field for 18 points in limited minutes (21). San Antonio as a whole shot 51% from the field on their non-three-point field goals.

Similarly Vucevic lit up Robinson to the tune of 26 and 11 on 63% shooting and the Magic shot 49% from the field on their non-three-point attempts.

If you go three games back Mitchell Robinson was so overwhelmed by Taj Gibson that he could barely see the court...

I understand the optimism on Robinson but much like what the New York media and fans did with Kevin Knox it seems like the cart is being put before the horse here.

[ellobo]

I'm all for the hype as he's probably the only positive the Knicks have had this year, but calling him a "game changer" seems a bit disingenuous... If we're being 100% objective Mitchell Robinson is not changing the way any Knicks games goes. It's L-City in Manhattan
regardless of what Robinson does.

Last two games (wins) he absolutely wrecked the offenses of the Spurs and Magic. It wasn't just the shots he blocked. Guys were scared off shooting, scared off dribble penetration, and rushed a lot of shots they took. And he didn't get bullied or pick up bad fouls when matched up against Aldridge and Vucevic (although he wasn't always matched up against either guy).

Again... This is pretty extreme hyperbole. And while I understand where it comes from... I also feel obligated to call out.

Aldridge shot 7-12 (58%) from the field for 18 points in limited minutes (21). San Antonio as a whole shot 51% from the field on their non-three-point field goals.

Similarly Vucevic lit up Robinson to the tune of 26 and 11 on 63% shooting and the Magic shot 49% from the field on their non-three-point attempts.

If you go three games back Mitchell Robinson was so overwhelmed by Taj Gibson that he could barely see the court...

I understand the optimism on Robinson but much like what the New York media and fans did with Kevin Knox it seems like the cart is being put before the horse here.

Those opponents' boxscore numbers came from early scoring before Robinson even entered the game (and before the Knicks made a big second half comeback against the Magic), and against other defenders. Aldridge played low minutes because he was not affecting the game (-10). Vucevic was -11 in the fourth quarter when the Knicks held the Magic to 13 points.

The Spurs shot 44.5% overall for the game, and 25% from 3. Why take out their 3 point percentage? That's part of Robinson's impact that people are seeing (those who watch the games) -- he is not just blocking shots at the rim, he's making teams hesitate, rush, and having a rare overall defensive impact.

If you want to argue small sample size and inconsistency (bringing up the MInnesota game, which I admittedly didn't see) that's one thing, but in the last two games, Robinson's defensive impact has been profound in degree and unusual in nature.

[LAL]

Editing away half my posts so you don’t have to address the argument. SAD!

The half where you moved the goal posts.

Never moved any goal posts. The OP specifically talks about Mitchell as a centerpiece in an AD deal. Guys who average 18mpg and 6ppg aren’t centerpieces of anything, like I said all along.

[Karate Diop]

Last two games (wins) he absolutely wrecked the offenses of the Spurs and Magic. It wasn't just the shots he blocked. Guys were scared off shooting, scared off dribble penetration, and rushed a lot of shots they took. And he didn't get bullied or pick up bad fouls when matched up against Aldridge and Vucevic (although he wasn't always matched up against either guy).

Again... This is pretty extreme hyperbole. And while I understand where it comes from... I also feel obligated to call out.

Aldridge shot 7-12 (58%) from the field for 18 points in limited minutes (21). San Antonio as a whole shot 51% from the field on their non-three-point field goals.

Similarly Vucevic lit up Robinson to the tune of 26 and 11 on 63% shooting and the Magic shot 49% from the field on their non-three-point attempts.

If you go three games back Mitchell Robinson was so overwhelmed by Taj Gibson that he could barely see the court...

I understand the optimism on Robinson but much like what the New York media and fans did with Kevin Knox it seems like the cart is being put before the horse here.

Those opponents' boxscore numbers came from early scoring before Robinson even entered the game (and before the Knicks made a big second half comeback against the Magic), and against other defenders. Aldridge played low minutes because he was not affecting the game (-10). Vucevic was -11 in the fourth quarter when the Knicks held the Magic to 13 points.

The Spurs shot 44.5% overall for the game, and 25% from 3. Why take out their 3 point percentage? That's part of Robinson's impact that people are seeing (those who watch the games) -- he is not just blocking shots at the rim, he's making teams hesitate, rush, and having a rare overall defensive impact.

If you want to argue small sample size and inconsistency (bringing up the MInnesota game, which I admittedly didn't see) that's one thing, but in the last two games, Robinson's defensive impact has been profound in degree and unusual in nature.

I did a quick tally but according to my count Vucevic scored 22 of his 26 points (on 10 of 16 shooting) while Robinson was on the floor...

Will double-check and do the same for the Spurs game later, but my point about the hyperbole getting out of control still stands.

[ellobo]

Again... This is pretty extreme hyperbole. And while I understand where it comes from... I also feel obligated to call out.

Aldridge shot 7-12 (58%) from the field for 18 points in limited minutes (21). San Antonio as a whole shot 51% from the field on their non-three-point field goals.

Similarly Vucevic lit up Robinson to the tune of 26 and 11 on 63% shooting and the Magic shot 49% from the field on their non-three-point attempts.

If you go three games back Mitchell Robinson was so overwhelmed by Taj Gibson that he could barely see the court...

I understand the optimism on Robinson but much like what the New York media and fans did with Kevin Knox it seems like the cart is being put before the horse here.

Those opponents' boxscore numbers came from early scoring before Robinson even entered the game (and before the Knicks made a big second half comeback against the Magic), and against other defenders. Aldridge played low minutes because he was not affecting the game (-10). Vucevic was -11 in the fourth quarter when the Knicks held the Magic to 13 points.

The Spurs shot 44.5% overall for the game, and 25% from 3. Why take out their 3 point percentage? That's part of Robinson's impact that people are seeing (those who watch the games) -- he is not just blocking shots at the rim, he's making teams hesitate, rush, and having a rare overall defensive impact.

If you want to argue small sample size and inconsistency (bringing up the MInnesota game, which I admittedly didn't see) that's one thing, but in the last two games, Robinson's defensive impact has been profound in degree and unusual in nature.

I did a quick tally but according to my count Vucevic scored 22 of his 26 points (on 10 of 16 shooting) while Robinson was on the floor...

Will double-check and do the same for the Spurs game later, but my point about the hyperbole getting out of control still stands.

On the floor? Irrelevant to my point (and Robinson was not the primary defender on Vucevic the majority of possessions). The Knicks shut down the Magic and won the game by holding them to 13 points in the fourth quarter, and Robinson's defense was the single biggest factor in making that happen.

Did you watch the game?

[CKB]

Again... This is pretty extreme hyperbole. And while I understand where it comes from... I also feel obligated to call out.

Aldridge shot 7-12 (58%) from the field for 18 points in limited minutes (21). San Antonio as a whole shot 51% from the field on their non-three-point field goals.

Similarly Vucevic lit up Robinson to the tune of 26 and 11 on 63% shooting and the Magic shot 49% from the field on their non-three-point attempts.

If you go three games back Mitchell Robinson was so overwhelmed by Taj Gibson that he could barely see the court...

I understand the optimism on Robinson but much like what the New York media and fans did with Kevin Knox it seems like the cart is being put before the horse here.

Those opponents' boxscore numbers came from early scoring before Robinson even entered the game (and before the Knicks made a big second half comeback against the Magic), and against other defenders. Aldridge played low minutes because he was not affecting the game (-10). Vucevic was -11 in the fourth quarter when the Knicks held the Magic to 13 points.

The Spurs shot 44.5% overall for the game, and 25% from 3. Why take out their 3 point percentage? That's part of Robinson's impact that people are seeing (those who watch the games) -- he is not just blocking shots at the rim, he's making teams hesitate, rush, and having a rare overall defensive impact.

If you want to argue small sample size and inconsistency (bringing up the MInnesota game, which I admittedly didn't see) that's one thing, but in the last two games, Robinson's defensive impact has been profound in degree and unusual in nature.

I did a quick tally but according to my count Vucevic scored 22 of his 26 points (on 10 of 16 shooting) while Robinson was on the floor...

Will double-check and do the same for the Spurs game later, but my point about the hyperbole getting out of control still stands.

You are reaching. Did you watch the game or did you just only watch his scoring highlights on Youtube? Magics called many screen plays to get Robinson off of Vucevic. Vucevic scored most of his points against Ellenson, Thomas, Vonleh and the Knicks guards.

[Karate Diop]

On the floor? Irrelevant to my point (and Robinson was not the primary defender on Vucevic the majority of possessions). The Knicks shut down the Magic and won the game by holding them to 13 points in the fourth quarter, and Robinson's defense was the single biggest factor in making that happen.
Did you watch the game?

You are reaching. Did you watch the game or did you just only watch his scoring highlights on Youtube? Magics called many screen plays to get Robinson off of Vucevic. Vucevic scored most of his points against Ellenson, Thomas, Vonleh and the Knicks guards.

I checked the tape and Vucevic scored 16 points either directly against Robinson or due to a bad basketball play on Robinson's part. There are another 2 points I excluded where Robinson was late as a help defender.

Red = Points scored directly against Robinson.
Orange = Points scored as a result of a Robinson error.

*I am differentiating between the types of plays below for objectivity's sake.

Q1 - 5:50 - Robinson is tasked with guarding Vucevic but is caught ball-watching leading to a Vucevic three-pointer.

Q2 - 3:38 - Vucevic takes Robinson off the drrible, backs him down on the block and then uses a pump fake to take advantage of Robinson's block-hunting tendencies and get an easy layup.

Q3 - 11:38 - Robinson is again caught ball-watching allowing Vucevic to slip to an open spot on the floor, Lance Thomas tries to cover for him but Vucevic gets off an easy layup (which is goal-tended by Robinson out of frustration).

Q3 - 8:45 - Vucevic catches the ball behind the arc with Robinson in front of him. Vucevic takes advantage of Robinson's arms being down and drains a three in his face.

Q3 - 7:03 - Robinson is the primary defender on Vucevic but again is again caught ball-watching / block-hunting completely forgetting about Vucevic allowing him to roll to the rim off an Augustin drive for the easy dunk.

Q3 - 3:40 - Vucevic scores in isolation againt Robinson.

Q4 - 6:57 - Robinson watches the ball, Vucevic rolls to the basket gets a switch and the easy layup.

I can dig up the tape / highlights later if you want to fact check me. But Karate Diop don't lie.

[ellobo]

On the floor? Irrelevant to my point (and Robinson was not the primary defender on Vucevic the majority of possessions). The Knicks shut down the Magic and won the game by holding them to 13 points in the fourth quarter, and Robinson's defense was the single biggest factor in making that happen.
Did you watch the game?

You are reaching. Did you watch the game or did you just only watch his scoring highlights on Youtube? Magics called many screen plays to get Robinson off of Vucevic. Vucevic scored most of his points against Ellenson, Thomas, Vonleh and the Knicks guards.

I checked the tape and Vucevic scored 16 points either directly against Robinson or due to a bad basketball play on his part. There are another 2 points I excluded where Robinson was late as a help defender.

Red = Points scored directly against Robinson.
Orange = Points scored as a result of a Robinson error.

*I am differentiating between the types of plays below for objectivity's sake.

Q1 - 5:50 - Robinson is taked with guarding Vucevic but is caught ball-watching leading to a Vucevic three-pointer.

Q2 - 3:38 - Vucevic takes Robinson off the drrible, backs him down on the block and then uses a pump fake to take advantage of Robinson's block-hunting tendencies and get an easy layup.

Q3 - 11:38 - Robinson is again caught ball-watching allowing Vucevic to slip to an open spot on the floor, Lance Thomas tries to cover for him but Vucevic gets off an easy layup (which is goaltended by Robinson out of frustration).

Q3 - 8:45 - Vucevic catches the ball behind the arc with Robinson in front of him. Vucevic takes advantage of Robinson's arms being down and drains a three in his face.

Q3 - 7:03 - Robinson is the primary defender on Vucevic but again is again caught ball-watching / block-hunting completely forgetting about Vucevic allowing him to roll to the rim off an Augustin drive for the easy dunk.

Q3 - 3:40 - Vucevic scores in isolation againt Robinson.

Q4 - 6:57 - Robinson watches the ball, Vucevic rolls to the basket gets a switch and the easy layup.

I can dig up the tape / highlights later if you want to fact check me. But Karate Diop don't lie.

30-13 in the fourth quarter to come back and win by 5. Magic couldn't score.

P.S. As a Colorblind American I find your post deeply offensive ;-)