Season Speculation, Free Agency & Trade Ideas: Our Johnson is finally working

RunDogGun · Post #1301 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:25 pm

If we miss out on Zion and draft Ja, I would like to grab Faried actually. Have Ayton work on his range, and see how that looks. If we can get a point guard through trade, I would be fine with that as well depending on the cost, if we drop out of the top two spots.

I think if we miss out on big free agents, I would like Rubio and Faried.

BobbieL · Post #1302 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:25 pm

Fo-Real wrote:well, we are a guaranteed bottom 4 team record wise for the draft. There is no way we can catch anyone record wise who is not already bottom 3. Us, Knicks, Cavs, Bulls are bottom 4 for the draft. Hell, the Bulls already have 17 wins, I would be astonished if we won 5 more games.

I agree about the five more wins and I agree they will be bottom 3

REally just have to hope the right trade partner (meaning player and possibly a draft pick) will be found to move back if the pick is not Zion

Fo-Real · Post #1303 » by **Fo-Real** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:35 pm

Can someone please answer the question about the Booker **** if he tried to push his way to the Nets? Would we be trading his current salary of 3.3 mil or would it be his future salary of 27.2 mil? I now notice that Crabbe has an 18 mil player option that he would be INSANE to turn down.

Crives · Post #1304 » by **Crives** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:37 pm

sunskerr wrote:I remember being this brought up before earlier but I dont remember what people had to say about it:

Let's say we can't improve the roster because of our team's tarnished image and we don't get Zion (both scenarios are pretty likely, I'm sure you guys would agree). Would taking on Gordon Hayward be an appropriate risk? He could probably be acquired for free, or possibly even at a surplus with an asset like a pick attached. No crystal ballers please with regards to his outlook, just want to know if this is the sort of risk that the franchise could take.

I think it’s too much risk. Maybe we could get Hayward for close to free, but it’s going to mean little playing time for our 4 other wings and no $ to get a pg/pf. We have better options if we don’t get Zion.

Crives · Post #1305 » by **Crives** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:52 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Can someone please answer the question about the Booker **** if he tried to push his way to the Nets? Would we be trading his current salary of 3.3 mil or would it be his future salary of 27.2 mil? I now notice that Crabbe has an 18 mil player option that he would be INSANE to turn down.

I don’t think Book is wanting to go to the nets, more likely he wants us to get his buddy, or ensure his buddy gets paid by signing an offer sheet or just showing interest. If we were to trade Booker to nets this would be a fun trade.

Nets in: Booker
Nets out: LeVert + Allen + Crabbe + 2019 1st + 2021 1st

NO in: PHX 2019 #2+ LeVert +Allen+Crabbe + BKN2019 1st + BKN 2021 1st + Milwaukee 1st + Tyler Johnson
NO out: Jrue + AD

PHX In: Jrue + AD
PHX out: 2019#2 + Booker + Milwaukee 1st + Tyler Johnson

Def in our starting lineup would be insane. I couldn’t let booker go through.

Ayton/Holmes
AD/TJ
Bridges/Oubre
Jackson/FA
Jrue/Melton

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1306 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:54 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Can someone please answer the question about the Booker **** if he tried to push his way to the Nets? Would we be trading his current salary of 3.3 mil or would it be his future salary of 27.2 mil? I now notice that Crabbe has an 18 mil player option that he would be INSANE to turn down.

Even had he been traded at the deadline he wouldn't have counted as 3.3 mil in return salary. Because he's signed a contract he's considered a 'base year contract' player. Rules on that are a little complicated you can Google it for more details. I'm not 100% sure whether or not he could be traded before the league year starts in July and still count as a BYC guy. Most likely any trade would be finalized after this date so he would count as his new salary. But since the nets will be under the cap they don't need to match salaries and can just absorb some or all into cap space.

But it's all really moot since with 5 years remaining on his deal people really overestimate his ability to force anything. Sure anyone can ask for a trade but the team can simply say no. The NBA has harsh penalties for hold out and sure I guess he could dog it but 5 years is a long time and would both ruin his rep and cost him future money on his next deal.

Plus I'd bet he would get absolutely KILLED by national media if he tried this. There's growing resentment for guys forcing their way out and people would pounce on this because he signed the extension knowing this was a bad team and frankly he's accomplished very little in his career to justify a power play like this. Plus there are already those in the national media who feel he's overrated and would love the opportunity to bash him.

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Post #1307 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:28 pm

BobbieL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Yeah McD was one of his sources back in his Boston days and I think woj know his dad who's a former media guy. I always thought mcds ties to some media guys and his family sheilded him from some criticism. Hell even now you never here him blamed nationally for this mess.

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It is interesting that the one time Sarver actually was a bit more patient with someone and gave him 5 years, it was McD, who drove us into a ditch, and Sarver fires him, THEN Sarver starts getting more and more people calling him out. Obviously the timing was dumb, and Sarver has always been bad, but it was time to move on from McD, and McD was the reason we are here.

Of course ultimately Sarver made the decision to hire him and stick with him as long as he did but often times the GM takes all the blame.

I mean Prokhorov, for example, hired Billy KIng immediately, and he lasted like 6 years, and you heard constant criticism about him and nothing about Prokhorov...even though he had probably put a lot of pressure on King to make a lot of those moves.

It is kind of amazing that Ryan McD is not more to blame. But Sarver ultimately is just a Clown Show Bro owner he does deserve most of the blame.

As for not hiring a GM until now - not sure its that big of a deal in that - Sarver was just buying out guys anyway to save money. And really until that draft pick is known - it wasn't really a part of bigger trade. As long as the guy is in place by early April - should be fine. Just hope its not McHale or Jason Kidd or somebody like that. Griffin would be ideal but I think the guy to call is Trajan Langdon .

I'd probably rather have Langdon or others than Griffin. Griffin might be fine but it's not like he's done a lot outside of work for the Suns and then be on board once the Cavs got LeBron.....which I doubt he had anything to do with. Other than that he's just a guy who came up under Bryan Colangelo, who only got the job because of Jerry.

Post #1308 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:31 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Can someone please answer the question about the Booker **** if he tried to push his way to the Nets? Would we be trading his current salary of 3.3 mil or would it be his future salary of 27.2 mil? I now notice that Crabbe has an 18 mil player option that he would be INSANE to turn down.

I doubt there is anything to it. We would trade his future salary...the trade deadline at his current salary is past. If, for some reason, his current salary was still in play (like on draft night) they just take his current salary plus his next contract and divide by total number of years (6) to get the cap trade value.

Frank Lee · Post #1309 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:46 pm

I thought the same thing RDog.... Faried could be obtained with a very friendly deal, and he solves a couple probs right out the gate. I wouldnt be overjoyed with a Rubio/Faried addition, but it would do. Kind adding a few more brickers. Would rather have Kid Ja and roll the dice on him, unless Holiday can be had for that pick/package. Its going to be more clear when the Lotto Balls drop and we see if we have 1 or 2. I guess its about a 1 in 4 shot for that.

Blonde · Post #1310 » by **Blonde** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:03 pm

Time to get Nash back in the building. Your 2019 Phoenix Suns President of Basketball Operations: Steve Nash

(This isn't going to happen)

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1311 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Blonde wrote:Time to get Nash back in the building. Your 2019 Phoenix Suns President of Basketball Operations: Steve Nash

(This isn't going to happen)

Wouldnt surprise me if they have or will try. But from everything I've heard Nash isn't looking for something with this much time commitment. Now that could change if he gets the itch to really dive back into the game.

On bill Simmons pod with ryen russillo a couple weeks ago they made a comment in passing that people around the NBA speculate Nash going back to Phoenix to run the suns. (I should clarify the way the made it sound was that's a move that people speculate could happen, not that it was something that was eminent or anything like that)

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RunDogGun · Post #1312 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:25 pm

Blonde wrote:Time to get Nash back in the building. Your 2019 Phoenix Suns President of Basketball Operations: Steve Nash

(This isn't going to happen)

I think it would be a smart move for the Suns, for not only would he be a bright and well respected person in a high position, it would be a good lift for the city.

I doubt he wants to do it right now, but it would be a solid move.

RunDogGun · Post #1313 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:42 pm

Frank Lee wrote:I thought the same thing RDog.... Faried could be obtained with a very friendly deal, and he solves a couple probs right out the gate. I wouldnt be overjoyed with a Rubio/Faried addition, but it would do. Kind adding a few more brickers. Would rather have Kid Ja and roll the dice on him, unless Holiday can be had for that pick/package. Its going to be more clear when the Lotto Balls drop and we see if we have 1 or 2. I guess its about a 1 in 4 shot for that.

I like this as well, but it will all depend on where we draft. The good thing is we can start making phone calls after the lotto picking happens.

Trading would be our best option, for we could make a solid package before FA happens. Although I am liking Jackson's growth this season, he would be a decent youth along with our pick (3-7th range), and Tyler for salary reasons for Jrue, then make a pitch at Faried on a two year deal. Then we have Warren start at the three or Bridges if his shot developes, and if Ayton can work on his range, that wouldn't be a bad starting group. Resign Holmes and Oubre, hope that either Melton or Okobo work on their shooting, and then we have a solid group with two decent vets, who hustle in the starting line up. Jrue, Booker, Warren/Bridges, Faried, Ayton with a bench of Melton/Okobo, Bridges/Warren, Oubre, Holmes. I wouldnt mind bringing back Bender on the cheap, but I would guess he may want to go back to Europe.

But if we cant make a trade for a point guard, I would make a push for Rubio on a two plus one deal, in hopes that Koko can bring him on board.

I am assuming we play out the season seeing what our deep bench can do. I think we missed out on Ellenson after he was waived by Detroit, but oh well.

Blonde · Post #1314 » by **Blonde** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:48 pm

Outside of Jrue Holiday, who are people realistically looking to trade our pick for if it lands 2-6? I don't think there are many available players available that are actually worth a pick that high straight up. More than likely a trade would be for a decent player plus a pick swap.

That said, you never know which star player will demand a trade next.

Post #1315 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:49 pm

Blonde wrote:Time to get Nash back in the building. Your 2019 Phoenix Suns President of Basketball Operations: Steve Nash

(This isn't going to happen)

RunDogGun · Post #1316 » by **RunDogGun** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:57 pm

Blonde wrote:Outside of Jrue Holiday, who are people realistically looking to trade our pick for if it lands 2-6? I don't think there are many available players available that are actually worth a pick that high straight up. More than likely a trade would be for a decent player plus a pick swap.

That said, you never know which star player will demand a trade next.

Maybe Dinwiddie?

BobbieL · Post #1317 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Blonde wrote:Time to get Nash back in the building. Your 2019 Phoenix Suns President of Basketball Operations: Steve Nash

(This isn't going to happen)

Nash would be a PR move so I can see Bobby S doing that.

They need somebody above Jones - hence Griffin. Though as noted, his track record, not great.

I can see a guy like Stu Jackson - maybe not him but a guy with league experience to mentor Jones

Langdon and Jones don’t seem like a fit.

Sam Hinkie?

BobbieL · Post #1318 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:59 pm

Blonde wrote:Outside of Jrue Holiday, who are people realistically looking to trade our pick for if it lands 2-6? I don't think there are many available players available that are actually worth a pick that high straight up. More than likely a trade would be for a decent player plus a pick swap.

That said, you never know which star player will demand a trade next.

I had the idea of flipping with MN if they love a player for Saric and their 1st

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1319 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:59 pm

Blonde wrote:Outside of Jrue Holiday, who are people realistically looking to trade our pick for if it lands 2-6? I don't think there are many available players available that are actually worth a pick that high straight up. More than likely a trade would be for a decent player plus a pick swap.

That said, you never know which star player will demand a trade next.

Aaron Gordon is a name to watch if Isaac continues to play well.

Maybe something like Jackson and suns 1st for Gordon and Orlandos 1st.

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BobbieL · Post #1320 » by **BobbieL** » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:04 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Blonde wrote:Outside of Jrue Holiday, who are people realistically looking to trade our pick for if it lands 2-6? I don't think there are many available players available that are actually worth a pick that high straight up. More than likely a trade would be for a decent player plus a pick swap.

That said, you never know which star player will demand a trade next.
Aaron Gordon is a name to watch if Isaac continues to play well.

Maybe something like Jackson and suns 1st for Gordon and Orlandos 1st.

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How would Gordon be next to Ayton?