Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[heir_jordan22]

PLAN A: Morant is on the board.
1. Draft Morant.
2. Draft BPA in round 2.
3. Re-sign Lopez, Arcidiacono, Selden
4. Sign Rose, Beverly, Kleber, Holmes/Chriss
5. Cut/trade Dunn and Felicio

Morant/Beverly/Arcidiacono
Lavine/Rose/Selden
Porter/Hutchinson/Valentine
Markkanen/Kleber/Holmes
Carter/Lopez/Holmes

PLAN B: no top 3 pick.
1. Draft Reddish or Culver.
2. Draft BPA in the 2nd round.
3. Re-sign Lopez, Selden, Arcidiacano.
4. Sign Rose, Collison, Kleber, Holmes
5. Cut/trade Dunn and Felicio.

Rose/Collison/Arcidiacano
Lavine/Reddish or Culver/Selden
Porter/Huthinson/Valentine
Markannen/Kleber/Holmes
Carter/Lopez/Holmes

PLAN C: no top 3 pick
1. Trade both our picks for the 3 Celtics first round picks. Draft BPA (e.g. Okpala, White, Bitadze).
2. Re-sign Arcidiacono, Selden.
3. Sign Beverly, Chriss, Zizic.
4. Cut/trade Valentine, Felicio.
Hope one of the PGs steps up and becomes a true starting PG. If not we should be a good destination for an all-star guard in one more year.

White/Dunn/Arcidiacono
Lavine/Okpala/Selden
Porter/Hutchinson/Hezonja
Markkanen/Chriss/Bitadze
Carter/Zizic/Bitadze

[StunnerKO]

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[sco]

saw CLE wants to trade JR Smith. Not sure how I feel about:

Valentine/Felicio for Smith

One could (at least try) to argue, while Smith has flaws and is overpaid, we end-up with a back-up SF who can bring scoring to the bench. We use Valentine to dump Felicio and his extra year. Smith's contract will be an expiring that might be useful at the deadline next season.

[panthermark]

If Jeff Teague opts in....
Teague for Dunn....

That is basically like singing him to a 1 year, $14M deal....except we will have his full Bird rights.

[Domejandro]

saw CLE wants to trade JR Smith. Not sure how I feel about:

Valentine/Felicio for Smith

One could (at least try) to argue, while Smith has flaws and is overpaid, we end-up with a back-up SF who can bring scoring to the bench. We use Valentine to dump Felicio and his extra year. Smith's contract will be an expiring that might be useful at the deadline next season.

Just a heads-up, J.R. Smith's deal is only guaranteed for 3.87 million next season, but guarantees for $15,680,000 on June 30th. His contract will definitely be waived before next year's Free-Agency. Because of this, it makes the deal proposed rough for Cleveland, in this context.

[WindyCityBorn]

saw CLE wants to trade JR Smith. Not sure how I feel about:

Valentine/Felicio for Smith

One could (at least try) to argue, while Smith has flaws and is overpaid, we end-up with a back-up SF who can bring scoring to the bench. We use Valentine to dump Felicio and his extra year. Smith's contract will be an expiring that might be useful at the deadline next season.

No. Keep him far away. We don't need any negative influences around.

[heir_jordan22]

Why do people want Teague? He's hot garbage. I'd rather start Dunn

[ZOMG]

Why do people want Teague? He's hot garbage. I'd rather start Dunn

You don't want to start Dunn IN ANY SITUATION.

Teague would be a tremendous upgrade.

[StunnerKO]

Poor defender tho to offset Dunn’s offense but he would be better to start just would go elsewhere for a starting PG

[Tetlak]

Yeah. Teague is not good. He shouldn't be on our radar tbh.

[drosereturn]

saw CLE wants to trade JR Smith. Not sure how I feel about:

Valentine/Felicio for Smith

One could (at least try) to argue, while Smith has flaws and is overpaid, we end-up with a back-up SF who can bring scoring to the bench. We use Valentine to dump Felicio and his extra year. Smith's contract will be an expiring that might be useful at the deadline next season.

Just a heads-up, J.R. Smith's deal is only guaranteed for 3.87 million next season, but guarantees for $15,680,000 on June 30th. His contract will definitely be waived before next year's Free-Agency. Because of this, it makes the deal proposed rough for Cleveland, in this context.

Yeah, but nobody really wants JR bc hes a loser so the Bulls can add some assets (Val, Dunn, TLC, 2nd) to allow the Cavs to trade.
Also, Cavs are forced to trade because of his grumbling otherwise he will destroy the lockerroom. This Felicio needs to get out asap since he might be the difference getting a max player.

[heir_jordan22]

Why do people want Teague? He's hot garbage. I'd rather start Dunn

You don't want to start Dunn IN ANY SITUATION.

Teague would be a tremendous upgrade.

INCORRECT.

In a situation where I can choose between a 24 year old Dunn and 30 year old Teague, I want Dunn to start.

Teague is right around his career averages this year:
11.9pt 8.1ast 2.4reb 1.1stl 2.3tov 45%2pt 34.5%3pt 42.4%fg

Dunn is averaging in his third year:
11.3pt 6.2ast 4.1reb 1.5stl 2.4tov 45%2pt 32.8%3pt 43%fg

According to stats they're the same player. Based on what I've seen with my eyes Teague provides absolutely nothing that Dunn doesn't already provide.

[sco]

Why do people want Teague? He's hot garbage. I'd rather start Dunn

You don't want to start Dunn IN ANY SITUATION.

Teague would be a tremendous upgrade.

INCORRECT.

In a situation where I can choose between a 24 year old Dunn and 30 year old Teague, I want Dunn to start.

Teague is right around his career averages this year:
11.9pt 8.1ast 2.4reb 1.1stl 2.3tov 45%2pt 34.5%3pt 42.4%fg

Dunn is averaging in his third year:
11.3pt 6.2ast 4.1reb 1.5stl 2.4tov 45%2pt 32.8%3pt 43%fg

According to stats they're the same player. Based on what I've seen with my eyes Teague provides absolutely nothing that Dunn doesn't already provide.

I'm still in the find a way to make Brogdon a max offer. At least it will may MIL pay $$$.

Short of that, I'm looking hard a either Rubio or Collison, with an edge toward Rubio. I think both guys are viable starting PG's.

Then I'm in the...just get someone who provides a decent bar for Dunn to try to play above. Teague, Rose, Beverley would all be good additions to our team, but none are perfect fits.

[heir_jordan22]

You don't want to start Dunn IN ANY SITUATION.

Teague would be a tremendous upgrade.

INCORRECT.

In a situation where I can choose between a 24 year old Dunn and 30 year old Teague, I want Dunn to start.

Teague is right around his career averages this year:
11.9pt 8.1ast 2.4reb 1.1stl 2.3tov 45%2pt 34.5%3pt 42.4%fg

Dunn is averaging in his third year:
11.3pt 6.2ast 4.1reb 1.5stl 2.4tov 45%2pt 32.8%3pt 43%fg

According to stats they're the same player. Based on what I've seen with my eyes Teague provides absolutely nothing that Dunn doesn't already provide.

I'm still in the find a way to make Brogdon a max offer. At least it will may MIL pay $$$.

Short of that, I'm looking hard a either Rubio or Collison, with an edge toward Rubio. I think both guys are viable starting PG's.

Then I'm in the...just get someone who provides a decent bar for Dunn to try to play above. Teague, Rose, Beverley would all be good additions to our team, but none are perfect fits.

I like Brogdon. He's really good at what he does. But having him and Porter on max deals doesn't make sense to me. They're 3andD guys. I'd rather get Rubio or Collison + Rose.

Of course this is assuming we didn't draft a PG in round one. If we do then I'd get one of these three FAs.

[panthermark]

Why do people want Teague? He's hot garbage. I'd rather start Dunn

You don't want to start Dunn IN ANY SITUATION.

Teague would be a tremendous upgrade.

INCORRECT.

In a situation where I can choose between a 24 year old Dunn and 30 year old Teague, I want Dunn to start.

Teague is right around his career averages this year:
11.9pt 8.1ast 2.4reb 1.1stl 2.3tov 45%2pt 34.5%3pt 42.4%fg

Dunn is averaging in his third year:
11.3pt 6.2ast 4.1reb 1.5stl 2.4tov 45%2pt 32.8%3pt 43%fg

According to stats they're the same player. Based on what I've seen with my eyes Teague provides absolutely nothing that Dunn doesn't already provide.

Disingenuous
They play slightly different minutes. I just compared their PER 36 minutes stats and Teague is a tad better (more FT's and more 3PA's at a better percentage). But you don't need to do that, just look at the TS% for Dunn, it is .483...that is awful. There is simply no reason to start him. Damn near any PG is better than Dunn.

[heir_jordan22]

You don't want to start Dunn IN ANY SITUATION.

Teague would be a tremendous upgrade.

INCORRECT.

In a situation where I can choose between a 24 year old Dunn and 30 year old Teague, I want Dunn to start.

Teague is right around his career averages this year:
11.9pt 8.1ast 2.4reb 1.1stl 2.3tov 45%2pt 34.5%3pt 42.4%fg

Dunn is averaging in his third year:
11.3pt 6.2ast 4.1reb 1.5stl 2.4tov 45%2pt 32.8%3pt 43%fg

According to stats they're the same player. Based on what I've seen with my eyes Teague provides absolutely nothing that Dunn doesn't already provide.

Disingenuous
They play slightly different minutes. I just compared their PER 36 minutes stats and Teague is a tad better (more FT's and more 3PA's at a better percentage). But you don't need to do that, just look at the TS% for Dunn, it is .483...that is awful. There is simply no reason to start him. Damn near any PG is better than Dunn.

Sorry. Dunn plays 31.0mpg and Teague plays 29.9mpg. Damn near all of them are better than Dunn, but Teague is marginally better with no upside, while Dunn could still improve. Therefore i would go with Dunn if they're my only two options. But ideally I would bring in two new PGs (neither of whom are named Teague or Dunn) and keep Arcidiacono as the 3rd PG.

[terry]

saw CLE wants to trade JR Smith. Not sure how I feel about:

Valentine/Felicio for Smith

One could (at least try) to argue, while Smith has flaws and is overpaid, we end-up with a back-up SF who can bring scoring to the bench. We use Valentine to dump Felicio and his extra year. Smith's contract will be an expiring that might be useful at the deadline next season.

I would do ANY trade involving getting rid of Felicio. I don't care who it is. So yes please

[panthermark]

Sorry. Dunn plays 31.0mpg and Teague plays 29.9mpg. Damn near all of them are better than Dunn, but Teague is marginally better with no upside, while Dunn could still improve. Therefore i would go with Dunn if they're my only two options. But ideally I would bring in two new PGs (neither of whom are named Teague or Dunn) and keep Arcidiacono as the 3rd PG.

I agree in that neither are the long term solution.
Dunn is much younger, but I don't know if his upside fits this team. Unless he learns to knock down threes at a higher percentage and greater clip...he is simply the wrong fit.

Teague isn't my first choice. I'm just proposing he be put on the list as another option to to Conley and Dru. More of a "back pocket" option.

[HomoSapien]

I wonder if Anthony Davis has warmed up to the idea of playing in Chicago now that this situation has dragged on and the Lakers seem like a complete mess. Frankly, we seem like the more promising team at the moment.

I would still trade Carter and/or our pick to get this done and think the notion of him signing an extension is probably less of a long shot.

[gobullschi]

Chicago Receives:
Justise Winslow
#8

Miami Receives:
Kris Dunn
#4

I've been exploring some possible trade down scenarios. Miami has moved Justise Winslow to point guard and he has started to excel. He would be an interesting pair with LaVine because of his defensive ability. His development was slowed with injuries but he might be a player destined to turn the corner. The Bulls will remain in range to get draft a player with upside. (Culver, Garland, Hunter, & Hachimura)

PG: Justise Winslow
SG: Zach LaVine
SF: Otto Porter Jr.
PF: Lauri Markkanen
C: Wendell Carter Jr.

Bench:
#8
Denzel Valentine
Chandler Hutchison