Trae Young

[Stillwater]

I have changed my view on Trae after seeing him play in the league. Tweet is stupid regardless, you are comparing him with people playing a vastly different game. You are also putting him in the same sentence as Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Isaiah Thomas, and Allen Iverson which is insane, I don't care how many points or assists he is averaging as a rookie.

Trae is better than those guys as a rookie outside of Magic. Trae gets to any spot on the court at will, his floor game already elite, he has elite shooting potential, he will a very good playmaker and potential to be the best we have seen. Trae has a chance to be best PG to play the game. His offensive impact will be up there with the best to play the game.

Homer post award....
He is going to get way too much shine for this game.
1 steal and 1 block in 56 minutes and they lost...

I bet he doesn't come close to these offensive numbers ever again

[hawkmanreturns]

I have changed my view on Trae after seeing him play in the league. Tweet is stupid regardless, you are comparing him with people playing a vastly different game. You are also putting him in the same sentence as Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Isaiah Thomas, and Allen Iverson which is insane, I don't care how many points or assists he is averaging as a rookie.

Trae is better than those guys as a rookie outside of Magic. Trae gets to any spot on the court at will, his floor game already elite, he has elite shooting potential, he will a very good playmaker and potential to be the best we have seen. Trae has a chance to be best PG to play the game. His offensive impact will be up there with the best to play the game.

Homer post award....
He is going to get way too much shine for this game.
1 steal and 1 block in 56 minutes and they lost...

I bet he doesn't come close to these offensive numbers ever again

Why so bitter? I usually respect your opinion and analysis but this take is terrible.

[Stillwater]

Trae is better than those guys as a rookie outside of Magic. Trae gets to any spot on the court at will, his floor game already elite, he has elite shooting potential, he will a very good playmaker and potential to be the best we have seen. Trae has a chance to be best PG to play the game. His offensive impact will be up there with the best to play the game.

Homer post award....
He is going to get way too much shine for this game.
1 steal and 1 block in 56 minutes and they lost...

I bet he doesn't come close to these offensive numbers ever again

Why so bitter? I usually respect your opinion and analysis but this take is terrible.

This has always been Young's thing... Bad defense doesn't win games no matter how many times you score or create for others and this was against a tanking team taking off plays defensively.
Not bitter just not impressed as much as most.
The one thing going for him is the direction the league is going making it next to impossible for good defenders to avoid fouling dynamic ball handlers benefits his game.
Curious how many of his 9 turnovers negated his dimes...

[Ball4life32]

Homer post award....
He is going to get way too much shine for this game.
1 steal and 1 block in 56 minutes and they lost...

I bet he doesn't come close to these offensive numbers ever again

Why so bitter? I usually respect your opinion and analysis but this take is terrible.

This has always been Young's thing... Bad defense doesn't win games no matter how many times you score or create for others and this was against a tanking team taking off plays defensively.
Not bitter just not impressed as much as most.
The one thing going for him is the direction the league is going making it next to impossible for good defenders to avoid fouling dynamic ball handlers benefits his game.
Curious how many of his 9 turnovers negated his dimes...

He dropped 49/16/8 while getting double teamed You didn’t watch the game if you’re seriously think Trae’s defense lost them the game. Without him they lose this game by 30.

Also John Collins didn’t play, Huerter only played 30 mins(went down twice), Spellman went down with an injury and Dedmon fouled out in the first OT and it still took the Bulls 4 OT’s. Hawks had 42 year old VC playing all 4 OT’s.

And oh yeah he only hit this clutch 3 with 2.2 in regulation that should of ended it.

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Imagine trying to find fault on Trae in his game. But he only had 1 block!

[Stillwater]

Why so bitter? I usually respect your opinion and analysis but this take is terrible.

This has always been Young's thing... Bad defense doesn't win games no matter how many times you score or create for others and this was against a tanking team taking off plays defensively.
Not bitter just not impressed as much as most.
The one thing going for him is the direction the league is going making it next to impossible for good defenders to avoid fouling dynamic ball handlers benefits his game.
Curious how many of his 9 turnovers negated his dimes...

He dropped 49/16/8 while getting double teamed You didn’t watch the game if you’re seriously think Trae’s defense lost them the game. Without him they lose this game by 30.

Also John Collins didn’t play, Huerter only played 30 mins(went down twice), Spellman went down with an injury and Dedmon fouled out in the first OT and it still took the Bulls 4 OT’s. Hawks had 42 year old VC playing all 4 OT’s.

And oh yeah he only hit this clutch 3 with 2.2 in regulation that should of ended it.

Read on Twitter

Imagine trying to find fault on Trae in his game. But he only had 1 block!

it was the best game he'll ever have, he played loose which is when he shines...and he got lucky. but you can't tell me you think those numbers are transferable in a post season series.
I love how people get excited over inflated numbers or rediulous low % shot attempts that happen to fall.

[nybluemeadow]

This has always been Young's thing... Bad defense doesn't win games no matter how many times you score or create for others and this was against a tanking team taking off plays defensively.
Not bitter just not impressed as much as most.
The one thing going for him is the direction the league is going making it next to impossible for good defenders to avoid fouling dynamic ball handlers benefits his game.
Curious how many of his 9 turnovers negated his dimes...

He dropped 49/16/8 while getting double teamed You didn’t watch the game if you’re seriously think Trae’s defense lost them the game. Without him they lose this game by 30.

Also John Collins didn’t play, Huerter only played 30 mins(went down twice), Spellman went down with an injury and Dedmon fouled out in the first OT and it still took the Bulls 4 OT’s. Hawks had 42 year old VC playing all 4 OT’s.

And oh yeah he only hit this clutch 3 with 2.2 in regulation that should of ended it.

Read on Twitter

Imagine trying to find fault on Trae in his game. But he only had 1 block!

it was the best game he'll ever have, he played loose which is when he shines...and he got lucky. but you can't tell me you think those numbers are transferable in a post season series.

Nash did it.

[Ball4life32]

This has always been Young's thing... Bad defense doesn't win games no matter how many times you score or create for others and this was against a tanking team taking off plays defensively.
Not bitter just not impressed as much as most.
The one thing going for him is the direction the league is going making it next to impossible for good defenders to avoid fouling dynamic ball handlers benefits his game.
Curious how many of his 9 turnovers negated his dimes...

He dropped 49/16/8 while getting double teamed You didn’t watch the game if you’re seriously think Trae’s defense lost them the game. Without him they lose this game by 30.

Also John Collins didn’t play, Huerter only played 30 mins(went down twice), Spellman went down with an injury and Dedmon fouled out in the first OT and it still took the Bulls 4 OT’s. Hawks had 42 year old VC playing all 4 OT’s.

And oh yeah he only hit this clutch 3 with 2.2 in regulation that should of ended it.

Read on Twitter

Imagine trying to find fault on Trae in his game. But he only had 1 block!

it was the best game he'll ever have, he played loose which is when he shines...and he got lucky. but you can't tell me you think those numbers are transferable in a post season series.
I love how people get excited over inflated numbers or rediulous low % shot attempts that happen to fall.

That’s cute that you act like him playing well is a small sample size. It’s all luck.

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But yes why would anyone get excited over a 20 year old rookie PG putting up these numbers. But please keep throwing out empty statements based on literally nothing.

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[Stillwater]

He dropped 49/16/8 while getting double teamed You didn’t watch the game if you’re seriously think Trae’s defense lost them the game. Without him they lose this game by 30.

Also John Collins didn’t play, Huerter only played 30 mins(went down twice), Spellman went down with an injury and Dedmon fouled out in the first OT and it still took the Bulls 4 OT’s. Hawks had 42 year old VC playing all 4 OT’s.

And oh yeah he only hit this clutch 3 with 2.2 in regulation that should of ended it.

Read on Twitter

Imagine trying to find fault on Trae in his game. But he only had 1 block!

it was the best game he'll ever have, he played loose which is when he shines...and he got lucky. but you can't tell me you think those numbers are transferable in a post season series.

Nash did it.

Nash who never won anything? Championship teams require a lead guard to at least hold his own on the defensive side of the ball.
Not to mention Nash was a much more efficient shooter.
Idk , I get the love for Young by the irrational offensive minded fans, he is entertaining...but he ain't winning a ring ..

[Ball4life32]

it was the best game he'll ever have, he played loose which is when he shines...and he got lucky. but you can't tell me you think those numbers are transferable in a post season series.

Nash did it.

Nash who never won anything? Championship teams require a lead guard to at least hold his own on the defensive side of the ball.
Not to mention Nash was a much more efficient shooter.
Idk , I get the love for Young by the irrational offensive minded fans, he is entertaining...but he ain't winning a ring ..

So more empty statements based on nothing.

Sad some people rather be right about their bad evaluations then admit they’re wrong.

[Stillwater]

Nash did it.

Nash who never won anything? Championship teams require a lead guard to at least hold his own on the defensive side of the ball.
Not to mention Nash was a much more efficient shooter.
Idk , I get the love for Young by the irrational offensive minded fans, he is entertaining...but he ain't winning a ring ..

So more empty statements based on nothing.

Sad some people rather be right about their bad evaluations then admit they’re wrong.

Speak for yourself pal... blindly pretending a player as incredibly bad as he is defensively along with how incredibly inconsistent he is as a shooter yet still keeps chucking difficult shots and then getting excited when a bunch of those chucks drop throug the net, is not something to get excited about.
He should stick to ONLY taking bad defenders off the dribble and creating for teammates as that is his strength... everything else is a crapshoot and you never know what you are getting other than contested shot attempts at a low % and terrible defense.
maybe if he grows a legit ws and changes his shot mechanics he'll be something besides a bad defender or poor % chucker.

[Ball4life32]

Nash who never won anything? Championship teams require a lead guard to at least hold his own on the defensive side of the ball.
Not to mention Nash was a much more efficient shooter.
Idk , I get the love for Young by the irrational offensive minded fans, he is entertaining...but he ain't winning a ring ..

So more empty statements based on nothing.

Sad some people rather be right about their bad evaluations then admit they’re wrong.

Speak for yourself pal... blindly pretending a player as incredibly bad as he is defensively along with how incredibly inconsistent he is as a shooter yet still keeps chucking difficult shots and then getting excited when a bunch of those chucks drop throug the net, is not something to get excited about.
He should stick to ONLY taking bad defenders off the dribble and creating for teammates as that is his strength... everything else is a crapshoot and you never know what you are getting other than contested shot attempts at a low % and terrible defense.
maybe if he grows a legit ws and changes his shot mechanics he'll be something besides a bad defender or poor % chucker.

Because you keep making things up like saying he’s been playing inconsistent when the data clearly shows you’re wrong.

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He had 49/16/8 (without Collins playing) and you blamed him for the loss.

Last 5 games:
30 PTS | 10 AST
23 PTS | 8 AST
36 PTS | 8 AST
36 PTS | 10 AST
49 PTS | 16 AST

And your response after yesterday’s game? Luck! Game of his life! He’ll never do that again! It’s like you didnt even realize he had been dominating before yesterdays game.

[hawkmanreturns]

^^^I Didn't even bother posting another response because it was obvious he's not basing any of this on actual games. It's not even based on box score watching or actual stats because even that would prove his arguments wrong. I'm glad you're patient enough to keep posting but we both know you're wasting your time. His mind is made up and no amount of stats or facts that prove otherwise is going to change that.

[Stillwater]

Yeah you homers are right he's consistently a terrible defender turns the ball over as much as he makes good passes, and continues to be a low % chucker whos makes are padded in 4 ot outings... get over yourself already he is fools gold

[Ball4life32]

Yeah you homers are right he's consistently a terrible defender turns the ball over as much as he makes good passes, and continues to be a low % chucker whos makes are padded in 4 ot outings... get over yourself already he is fools gold

“Turns the ball as much as he makes good passes”
8.4 assists to 3.9 turnovers in 2019 so far

“Low % chucker”
Yet is shooting 41% from 3 over the last 30 games and over 43% in the last 15 all on high volume. He had a .577 TS% in January and a .565 TS% in February

“Makes padded in 4 OT outing”
He had maybe 2 points total in the last two OT’s combined. He had 34 and 11 at the end of the regulation and 45 and 14 at the end of the 1st OT. This shows right there you are biased and not watching the games even though that is obvious.

See how I provide data why yours is based on nothing?

(I loved Trae way before he came to the Hawks btw)

[King Ken]

I have changed my view on Trae after seeing him play in the league. Tweet is stupid regardless, you are comparing him with people playing a vastly different game. You are also putting him in the same sentence as Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Isaiah Thomas, and Allen Iverson which is insane, I don't care how many points or assists he is averaging as a rookie.

Trae is better than those guys as a rookie outside of Magic. Trae gets to any spot on the court at will, his floor game already elite, he has elite shooting potential, he will a very good playmaker and potential to be the best we have seen. Trae has a chance to be best PG to play the game. His offensive impact will be up there with the best to play the game.

Homer post award....
He is going to get way too much shine for this game.
1 steal and 1 block in 56 minutes and they lost...

I bet he doesn't come close to these offensive numbers ever again

If they paid guys for hating bro, you would be a millionaire. You must have been feeling some type of way to come back to a post I made a week ago and post this nonsense. Man, just accept that Trae has a chance to be the PG GOAT and you will not have to stress yourself out on the hating

[Stillwater]

Yeah you homers are right he's consistently a terrible defender turns the ball over as much as he makes good passes, and continues to be a low % chucker whos makes are padded in 4 ot outings... get over yourself already he is fools gold

“Turns the ball as much as he makes good passes”
8.4 assists to 3.9 turnovers in 2019 so far

“Low % chucker”
Yet is shooting 41% from 3 over the last 30 games and over 43% in the last 15 all on high volume. He had a .577 TS% in January and a .565 TS% in February

“Makes padded in 4 OT outing”
He had maybe 2 points total in the last two OT’s combined. He had 34 and 11 at the end of the regulation and 41 and 14 at the end of the 1st OT. This shows right there you are biased and not watching the games even though that is obvious.

See how I provide data why yours is based on nothing?

(I loved Trae way before he came to the Hawks btw)

yep had a great feb compared to the rest of the season...lucky dog
yep I am absolutely biased...you got me there

[treefi]

will likely become the best PG in the NBA by his third year.

[kg01]

^^^I Didn't even bother posting another response because it was obvious he's not basing any of this on actual games. It's not even based on box score watching or actual stats because even that would prove his arguments wrong. I'm glad you're patient enough to keep posting but we both know you're wasting your time. His mind is made up and no amount of stats or facts that prove otherwise is going to change that.

You gotta admit, his hate-filled tears are delicious.

[Stillwater]

^^^I Didn't even bother posting another response because it was obvious he's not basing any of this on actual games. It's not even based on box score watching or actual stats because even that would prove his arguments wrong. I'm glad you're patient enough to keep posting but we both know you're wasting your time. His mind is made up and no amount of stats or facts that prove otherwise is going to change that.

You gotta admit, his hate-filled tears are delicious.

wrong assessment... I don't hate Young at all, I am just sick of the love people have for undersized ball handling chuckers
that have no defensive abilty nor the length to ever have it at all as if offense is all that matters when it comes to being legit star in the league.

[The-Power]

wrong assessment... I don't hate Young at all, I am just sick of the love people have for undersized ball handling chuckers
that have no defensive abilty nor the length to ever have it at all as if offense is all that matters when it comes to being legit star in the league.

This could have been a statement people made about Curry after college. Or about Nash, if he decided to be more aggressive as a scorer. Or Irving. Yet all of these players had a lot of success (yes, this includes Nash who had his fair share of postseason success as well) and with hard work, Young can become part of this club as well.

I mean, I'd agree that Young has to improve his defense and at least start to bother. If he's a liability akin to Isaiah Thomas, that makes it much more difficult to build a contender around him. And of course he can't take the same approach he took in college – but his shot selection has already improved noticeably, so there's hope he'll continue on this path.

There are still some legitimate concerns about Trae. But you're way overboard here, and you fail to realize that. Young is not guaranteed to win or achieve anything, but his play thus far has clearly shown that there is a path for greatness for him. To say he won't ever win anything – as if that's already been determined by his size and lack of defense at this point – is beyond silly.