Season Speculation, Free Agency & Trade Ideas: Our Johnson is finally working

[BobbieL]

Could just be that the suns tried to trade for him before the season so there's an assumption they will try again this summer. But things can change as other options become available.

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Sidery thinks north of 15m

Gambo likes the idea of Rozier

based on those opinions - Rozier to Phoenix is not happening

Maybe I'm just underestimating the market but I feel the same way I do with Rozier as I do with Oubre when I have to ask 'who the **** is going give them $15M per year?" I feel like both guys will probably be lucky to get $10M per. Julius Randle who is better than them signed for like 10M last summer.

The one positive I will say about Terry is I have no doubt he'd come and play his ass off. Dude is one of those chip on his shoulder guys. But that can be scary too if he has irrational confidence and tries to take over games.

I hope the Suns are smarter about spending their money this summer than having the 15m spent on Ariza at 9:01 pm

[BobbieL]

Could just be that the suns tried to trade for him before the season so there's an assumption they will try again this summer. But things can change as other options become available.

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Sidery thinks north of 15m

Gambo likes the idea of Rozier

based on those opinions - Rozier to Phoenix is not happening

Maybe I'm just underestimating the market but I feel the same way I do with Rozier as I do with Oubre when I have to ask 'who the **** is going give them $15M per year?" I feel like both guys will probably be lucky to get $10M per. Julius Randle who is better than them signed for like 10M last summer.

The one positive I will say about Terry is I have no doubt he'd come and play his ass off. Dude is one of those chip on his shoulder guys. But that can be scary too if he has irrational confidence and tries to take over games.

I hope the Suns are smarter about spending their money this summer than having the 15m spent on Ariza at 9:01 pm

[RaisingArizona]

That story does give me some concerns regarding Jones.

He willingly admits that he doesn't put in the work while on the job auditioning to be hired long-term! YIKES.

[RaisingArizona]

Lol. If you fall for that article you’ll fall for anything. There’s been so many bad teams in the nba in my lifetime much worse than the suns. At the end of the day players want to play and make millions. So many people at espn dislike Sarver because of el Hassan being Rachel Nichols pet and I guess Wojnarowski and McDonough being secret lovers. Sarver isn’t the greatest but suns are like any other struggling franchise in nba history. Lol

What teams went from being a perennial contender to being at the top of the lottery every single year for a decade?

[bwgood77]

Could just be that the suns tried to trade for him before the season so there's an assumption they will try again this summer. But things can change as other options become available.

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Sidery thinks north of 15m

Gambo likes the idea of Rozier

based on those opinions - Rozier to Phoenix is not happening

I wonder what makes Sidery think he's worth more than $15 million. The guy is an avg backup PG who had a few great games in the playoffs.

They don't need to overpay, but may think they have to. That being said, I hope Kyrie leaves for NY or something so they keep Rozier. I really hate the idea of him as the future PG, especially another 4 year deal. I mean he's worse than Brandon Knight when we gave him a big contract.

Check out the comparison. http://bkref.com/tiny/5oqKf

His TS% is 49%...that's about Josh Jackson level.

Surely we have better scouts than paying him a lot of money. I don't want him at all, but I guess I'm used to overpaying mediocre to bad point guards...they just seem to keep getting worse.

After what they went through and having to rid themselves of Brandon Knight, I'm surprised they'd dive into giving a bunch of money to a PG who has been worse statistically, and playing mostly against bench units.

I guess I shouldn't say I'm surprised, but wow, learn your damn lesson.

[bwgood77]

Could just be that the suns tried to trade for him before the season so there's an assumption they will try again this summer. But things can change as other options become available.

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Sidery thinks north of 15m

Gambo likes the idea of Rozier

based on those opinions - Rozier to Phoenix is not happening

Maybe I'm just underestimating the market but I feel the same way I do with Rozier as I do with Oubre when I have to ask 'who the **** is going give them $15M per year?" I feel like both guys will probably be lucky to get $10M per. Julius Randle who is better than them signed for like 10M last summer.

The one positive I will say about Terry is I have no doubt he'd come and play his ass off. Dude is one of those chip on his shoulder guys. But that can be scary too if he has irrational confidence and tries to take over games.

The problem is we can wait to see what people offer Oubre. With Rozier it's us deciding on what Boston might match....which means we could vastly overpay.

[bwgood77]

Lol. If you fall for that article you’ll fall for anything. There’s been so many bad teams in the nba in my lifetime much worse than the suns. At the end of the day players want to play and make millions. So many people at espn dislike Sarver because of el Hassan being Rachel Nichols pet and I guess Wojnarowski and McDonough being secret lovers. Sarver isn’t the greatest but suns are like any other struggling franchise in nba history. Lol

What teams went from being a perennial contender to being at the top of the lottery every single year for a decade?

Kings, TWolves

[RunDogGun]

Lol. If you fall for that article you’ll fall for anything. There’s been so many bad teams in the nba in my lifetime much worse than the suns. At the end of the day players want to play and make millions. So many people at espn dislike Sarver because of el Hassan being Rachel Nichols pet and I guess Wojnarowski and McDonough being secret lovers. Sarver isn’t the greatest but suns are like any other struggling franchise in nba history. Lol

What teams went from being a perennial contender to being at the top of the lottery every single year for a decade?

Tough to answer when the East and West often have different records getting them into the playoffs. Philly went to the finals, and then only made the playoffs in the following decade because it took less wins to make the playoffs.

[RunDogGun]

What is the point of going after a pg, who career assists are 2.3? We need a floor general.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sidery thinks north of 15m

Gambo likes the idea of Rozier

based on those opinions - Rozier to Phoenix is not happening

Maybe I'm just underestimating the market but I feel the same way I do with Rozier as I do with Oubre when I have to ask 'who the **** is going give them $15M per year?" I feel like both guys will probably be lucky to get $10M per. Julius Randle who is better than them signed for like 10M last summer.

The one positive I will say about Terry is I have no doubt he'd come and play his ass off. Dude is one of those chip on his shoulder guys. But that can be scary too if he has irrational confidence and tries to take over games.

The problem is we can wait to see what people offer Oubre. With Rozier it's us deciding on what Boston might match....which means we could vastly overpay.

Yeah they shouldn't do that. I'm at the point where if they don't land Zion I'd just rather them draft Ja or Garland and just keep Johnson around for a year to start. Then spend on a PF.



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[Frank Lee]

Lol. If you fall for that article you’ll fall for anything. There’s been so many bad teams in the nba in my lifetime much worse than the suns. At the end of the day players want to play and make millions. So many people at espn dislike Sarver because of el Hassan being Rachel Nichols pet and I guess Wojnarowski and McDonough being secret lovers. Sarver isn’t the greatest but suns are like any other struggling franchise in nba history. Lol

What teams went from being a perennial contender to being at the top of the lottery every single year for a decade?

Knicks, Lakers, Pistons, Sixers, Bulls off the top of my head....and I'd caution at calling us a perennial contender... Like so many teams, we had a 2-3 yr window to get to the finals, where anything can happen. Other than the brief Nash run, the KJ/Barkley seasons, and the fluke of '76... we have been an also ran, good but not great, so called treadmilling playoff team, never fortunate enough to crack into the top tier.

Thats really all most franchises can expect. Be good enough to be on the verge of really good, then hope for a bit of luck to push you to the conference finals. A few teams have had dynasties... but that was largely to having the best players/coaches at the time. Duncan, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe, James, Curry etc. Timing is so vital to championship success as we were regularly spanked by LA and SA for almost 2 decades. And those were years when we had some really good likable teams.

I guess a lot of the opinions are influenced by the age and experience of the fan. Im an ol F... and go back a ways. Have had crushers just about every 15 yrs... 1976, 1993, and then the Nash/DAnt 2000s.


Granted, this has been a bad run, may be the worst.... but we had a run in the eighties where we were almost as unwatchable.

[bwgood77]

Maybe I'm just underestimating the market but I feel the same way I do with Rozier as I do with Oubre when I have to ask 'who the **** is going give them $15M per year?" I feel like both guys will probably be lucky to get $10M per. Julius Randle who is better than them signed for like 10M last summer.

The one positive I will say about Terry is I have no doubt he'd come and play his ass off. Dude is one of those chip on his shoulder guys. But that can be scary too if he has irrational confidence and tries to take over games.

The problem is we can wait to see what people offer Oubre. With Rozier it's us deciding on what Boston might match....which means we could vastly overpay.

Yeah they shouldn't do that. I'm at the point where if they don't land Zion I'd just rather them draft Ja or Garland and just keep Johnson around for a year to start. Then spend on a PF.

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Yeah, I wouldn't mind that either. I take it you read Bob Young's Athletic article on Ja? A little bit on Garland in there too.

[bwgood77]

Lol. If you fall for that article you’ll fall for anything. There’s been so many bad teams in the nba in my lifetime much worse than the suns. At the end of the day players want to play and make millions. So many people at espn dislike Sarver because of el Hassan being Rachel Nichols pet and I guess Wojnarowski and McDonough being secret lovers. Sarver isn’t the greatest but suns are like any other struggling franchise in nba history. Lol

What teams went from being a perennial contender to being at the top of the lottery every single year for a decade?

Knicks, Lakers, Pistons, Sixers, Bulls off the top of my head....and I'd caution at calling us a perennial contender... Like so many teams, we had a 2-3 yr window to get to the finals, where anything can happen. Other than the brief Nash run, the KJ/Barkley seasons, and the fluke of '76... we have been an also ran, good but not great, so called treadmilling playoff team, never fortunate enough to crack into the top tier.

Thats really all most franchises can expect. Be good enough to be on the verge of really good, then hope for a bit of luck to push you to the conference finals. A few teams have had dynasties... but that was largely to having the best players/coaches at the time. Duncan, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe, James, Curry etc. Timing is so vital to championship success as we were regularly spanked by LA and SA for almost 2 decades. And those were years when we had some really good likable teams.

I guess a lot of the opinions are influenced by the age and experience of the fan. Im an ol F... and go back a ways. Have had crushers just about every 15 yrs... 1976, 1993, and then the Nash/DAnt 2000s.


Granted, this has been a bad run, may be the worst.... but we had a run in the eighties where we were almost as unwatchable.

There were several years, even before Barkley. In 89 and 90 we made the WCF...89 we didn't have a chance against the Lakers but in 90 we probably should have beaten Portland...crushed them in the games we won and barely lost the games we lost. Would have had great chance against Pistons. The next two years we had the same team so I'd say we were contenders even though we didn't make it as far.

Then the first 3 years with Barkley.

Then 2005, 07 and 10, though also made conference finals in 06.

But 96 through 04 we were basically a treadmill...first round fodder type team, or worse.

[sunsbum]

I don't believe any of that Terry Rozier noise, I'd rather bring back Marcus Banks.

[Kerrsed]

What is the point of going after a pg, who career assists are 2.3? We need a floor general.

Well, if we plan on running the Triangle Offense it COULD work.....but we arnt, so yeah, its not going to.

[RunDogGun]

What is the point of going after a pg, who career assists are 2.3? We need a floor general.

Well, if we plan on running the Triangle Offense it COULD work.....but we arnt, so yeah, its not going to.

Oddly, I was thinking that Bender might do well in a triangle offense, just the other day.

[bwgood77]

What is the point of going after a pg, who career assists are 2.3? We need a floor general.

Well, if we plan on running the Triangle Offense it COULD work.....but we arnt, so yeah, its not going to.

Oddly, I was thinking that Bender might do well in a triangle offense, just the other day.

The triangle offense doesn't work. The only reason it worked was because Jordan and Pippen or Kobe and Shaq were part of it, and they would have been great in any offense. Has it ever worked for anyone else? If it has, I haven't heard of it. Plus, with the league it is today, it would be especially awful.

[alamin330]

Lol. If you fall for that article you’ll fall for anything. There’s been so many bad teams in the nba in my lifetime much worse than the suns. At the end of the day players want to play and make millions. So many people at espn dislike Sarver because of el Hassan being Rachel Nichols pet and I guess Wojnarowski and McDonough being secret lovers. Sarver isn’t the greatest but suns are like any other struggling franchise in nba history. Lol

What teams went from being a perennial contender to being at the top of the lottery every single year for a decade?

Lakers

[WeekapaugGroove]

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I believe it because it's a direct quote from Hill.

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[grumpysaddle]

Was listening to a podcast yesterday while driving for work and they had an interesting question. If Suns landed the number 1 pick, would you trade it to Dallas straight up for Doncic?

That's a tough one.

I'm guessing you were listening to the Game Theory Podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker. They posed that exact question. I think it's one of those situations where if you have Zion, you wouldn't trade him for Luka but if you had Luka, you wouldn't trade him for Zion either. I think those two are nearly equal in value. I'd give Doncic more value because he's proven and until Zion has an NBA body of work that proves he can play and is effective/impactful, Doncic will always have that in his backpocket

Was actually listening to the 7 Seconds or Less podcast, but they probably lifted it from that. the 7SOL podcast was from like... 11 or 12 days ago.