Season Speculation, Free Agency & Trade Ideas: Our Johnson is finally working

[bwgood77]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

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I'm honestly surprised Josh has that high of a make percentage. I was just thinking the other day that every time he tries I just assume it's going to clang out.


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[alamin330]

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I believe it because it's a direct quote from Hill.

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ESPN is fake news. Rachel Nichols is clueless. Amin el Hassan is still bitter about something from like 20 years ago and no other nba franchise has thought to hire him but yet suns should’ve never fired him according to him and Rachel Nichols. Woj is sad that his gf got fired. And this guy who wrote the article is trying to be their heroes and was probably told he couldn’t sit with them at lunch in the cafeteria so he wrote this article to see if they would change their minds.
No lie ESPN hires all the suns flunkies or has them on their shows

[alamin330]

If I had a boss who played a practical joke on me and then after the joke told me to come to his office for a raise or extension I would call that a pretty good day at work

[WeekapaugGroove]

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I believe it because it's a direct quote from Hill.

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ESPN is fake news. Rachel Nichols is clueless. Amin el Hassan is still bitter about something from like 20 years ago and no other nba franchise has thought to hire him but yet suns should’ve never fired him according to him and Rachel Nichols. Woj is sad that his gf got fired. And this guy who wrote the article is trying to be their heroes and was probably told he couldn’t sit with them at lunch in the cafeteria so he wrote this article to see if they would change their minds.
No lie ESPN hires all the suns flunkies or has them on their shows

I'm sure there's plenty of truth to sarvers idiot behavior. But mostly it's fun to kick a team when they're down, happens all the time in all major sports. The really good and really bad teams are the most interesting and get clicks.

I do suspect that mcd was a major source for the story and you're not wrong about Amin having an ax to grind and taking shots as often as he can.

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[lilfishi22]

Was listening to a podcast yesterday while driving for work and they had an interesting question. If Suns landed the number 1 pick, would you trade it to Dallas straight up for Doncic?

That's a tough one.

I'm guessing you were listening to the Game Theory Podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker. They posed that exact question. I think it's one of those situations where if you have Zion, you wouldn't trade him for Luka but if you had Luka, you wouldn't trade him for Zion either. I think those two are nearly equal in value. I'd give Doncic more value because he's proven and until Zion has an NBA body of work that proves he can play and is effective/impactful, Doncic will always have that in his backpocket

Was actually listening to the 7 Seconds or Less podcast, but they probably lifted it from that. the 7SOL podcast was from like... 11 or 12 days ago.

Yeah I think so. The game theory podcast was about 16 days ago now. I think it's one of the better NBA podcasts out there and if you're into the draft, they do go pretty deep into it. Pretty amazing hearing people talk about Zion (and that #1 pick) being potentially the best asset in the NBA when he hasn't even played a single preseason minute

[bwgood77]

I see Sidery connected the dots on Spalding and Rozier having same agent. Definitely still reading here.

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If not for the Atlanta Connection, I'd love to have Grant and Nash come back as a duo to take the reigns for the Suns. Grant as the Basketball ops guy- he seems like he could really motivate a team well and Nash as GM managing who to bring in to fill out a roster and manage personalities on a team. Bring in KG to lead player development with Ayton/ Booker/ Bridges. The best coach for that scenario might be SVG (good history getting great production from bigs), Thibs (defense) or M. Jackson (leadership). We need experience and toughness with a defensive mindset wrapped in a package the players will respect. The only trick is to make all of that happen might cost $30+ million/ year.

Ironically we are actually built pretty well for the triangle offense right now. That said we need an offense that starts inside-out rather than outside-in. Igor is trying with the first quarter activity, and it's paying some dividends in keeping Ayton involved, but we are far from being complete there. Always go through the area where your team is most dominant first. Ayton is that- even with his flaws.

[bwgood77]

I'm guessing you were listening to the Game Theory Podcast with Sam Vecenie and Cole Zwicker. They posed that exact question. I think it's one of those situations where if you have Zion, you wouldn't trade him for Luka but if you had Luka, you wouldn't trade him for Zion either. I think those two are nearly equal in value. I'd give Doncic more value because he's proven and until Zion has an NBA body of work that proves he can play and is effective/impactful, Doncic will always have that in his backpocket

Was actually listening to the 7 Seconds or Less podcast, but they probably lifted it from that. the 7SOL podcast was from like... 11 or 12 days ago.

Yeah I think so. The game theory podcast was about 16 days ago now. I think it's one of the better NBA podcasts out there and if you're into the draft, they do go pretty deep into it. Pretty amazing hearing people talk about Zion (and that #1 pick) being potentially the best asset in the NBA when he hasn't even played a single preseason minute

There are people absurdly high on him. I mean people should be very high on him but that high is a bit ridiculous. Max is a bit over the top. Nash is good though.

[lilfishi22]

Doesn’t Sarver own the Phoenix Mercury? Haven’t they won a few championships under him? Aren’t they a perennial playoff team with taurasi returning year after year? I don’t believe everything that’s being said about Sarver. I think it all started with the hiring of blanks. Sarver wants to win so bad he’s impatient and is probably easily persuaded by these nba execs that he buys into their plans. That would explain his quick hires. I believe he hired McDonough based off the same logic where he was Danny ainges understudy and the Celtics won a championship so he hired him. McDonough was given full autonomy I believe and blew it head coach after head coach. Traded players for draft picks to eventually turn those picks into a star and kept procrastinating all while veterans like Bledsoe were getting fed up of losing. But Sarver was patient and let McDonough carry out his plan until James Jones or someone told him this summer there was a better plan and the team is not going to win with just young players and also got the heads up from jones that players around the league don’t trust McDonough so they won’t play here. Hence the firing preseason.
I believe Sarver has a short temper and is probably arrogant and tries to be involved in decision making of the roster but I don’t believe he makes all the decisions and it’s his way or nothing at all. All these reports about Sarver are because someone in the media obviously doesn’t like him for personal reasons.

He's not bad because he doesn't care about winning; I'd wager most owners do (good for their image and investment). The problem is he doesn't seem to know basketball, he gets too hands-on in basketball decisions and he makes bad hires which leads to the poor product we have on the floor.

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Was actually listening to the 7 Seconds or Less podcast, but they probably lifted it from that. the 7SOL podcast was from like... 11 or 12 days ago.

Yeah I think so. The game theory podcast was about 16 days ago now. I think it's one of the better NBA podcasts out there and if you're into the draft, they do go pretty deep into it. Pretty amazing hearing people talk about Zion (and that #1 pick) being potentially the best asset in the NBA when he hasn't even played a single preseason minute

There are people absurdly high on him. I mean people should be very high on him but that high is a bit ridiculous. Max is a bit over the top. Nash is good though.

Yeah, I pretty much only listen for David Nash's takes. Max kind of annoys me.

[BobbieL]

Doesn’t Sarver own the Phoenix Mercury? Haven’t they won a few championships under him? Aren’t they a perennial playoff team with taurasi returning year after year? I don’t believe everything that’s being said about Sarver. I think it all started with the hiring of blanks. Sarver wants to win so bad he’s impatient and is probably easily persuaded by these nba execs that he buys into their plans. That would explain his quick hires. I believe he hired McDonough based off the same logic where he was Danny ainges understudy and the Celtics won a championship so he hired him. McDonough was given full autonomy I believe and blew it head coach after head coach. Traded players for draft picks to eventually turn those picks into a star and kept procrastinating all while veterans like Bledsoe were getting fed up of losing. But Sarver was patient and let McDonough carry out his plan until James Jones or someone told him this summer there was a better plan and the team is not going to win with just young players and also got the heads up from jones that players around the league don’t trust McDonough so they won’t play here. Hence the firing preseason.
I believe Sarver has a short temper and is probably arrogant and tries to be involved in decision making of the roster but I don’t believe he makes all the decisions and it’s his way or nothing at all. All these reports about Sarver are because someone in the media obviously doesn’t like him for personal reasons.

He's not bad because he doesn't care about winning; I'd wager most owners do (good for their image and investment). The problem is he doesn't seem to know basketball, he gets too hands-on in basketball decisions and he makes bad hires which leads to the poor product we have on the floor.

I think for lack of a better word -he is almost ADD or up and down like a yo-yo.

One day he will make a decision to save cash. But than a week later - will make a worse long term move

1) Not signing Amare to the 5/100 with his knees. Smart. Than he signed a bunch of players to long term deals killing all long term cap. BAd

2) Trading Brian Grant and the 17th pick to the Celtics for 3m cash - saving 2m on Grant plus the 3m. (Celtics picked Rondo). Than trading the 18th pick to the Blazers for 3m and they drafted Sergio Rodriguez. So SArver got 8m bucks - yeah!! Than he signed Marcus Banks 21/5, I get Mike D didn't like rookies but again, longer term, drafting a PG like even Sergio would have saved him money


If Sarver just gave the GM a budget, had his foam finger and stayed away - his team probably would win more

[WeekapaugGroove]

If not for the Atlanta Connection, I'd love to have Grant and Nash come back as a duo to take the reigns for the Suns. Grant as the Basketball ops guy- he seems like he could really motivate a team well and Nash as GM managing who to bring in to fill out a roster and manage personalities on a team. Bring in KG to lead player development with Ayton/ Booker/ Bridges. The best coach for that scenario might be SVG (good history getting great production from bigs), Thibs (defense) or M. Jackson (leadership). We need experience and toughness with a defensive mindset wrapped in a package the players will respect. The only trick is to make all of that happen might cost $30+ million/ year.

Ironically we are actually built pretty well for the triangle offense right now. That said we need an offense that starts inside-out rather than outside-in. Igor is trying with the first quarter activity, and it's paying some dividends in keeping Ayton involved, but we are far from being complete there. Always go through the area where your team is most dominant first. Ayton is that- even with his flaws.

I'm good with your ideas for the front office. But no offense but I don't think I could list 3 guys I would be less interested in as coach (well Jason Kidd comes to mind but these guys are in my top 5). SVG was a good coach but he's been out of the game so damn long I just don't really see that working out. Thibs, just no, he has never liked to coach young players his system is outdated and he runs guys into the ground. And personally I think Mark Jackson is a bad coach and I would tend to think the league agrees with me since he hasn't got a job since GS.

If they do move on from Igor Walton is my favorite realistic target. I really like that he has experience working with a young team and he had them playing good D last year.

[BobbieL]

I see Sidery connected the dots on Spalding and Rozier having same agent. Definitely still reading here.

Gambo is all about Rozier on Twitter
when asked why he said "Milwaukee series" was his answer

so many replies that were like "small sample size"

[bwgood77]

If not for the Atlanta Connection, I'd love to have Grant and Nash come back as a duo to take the reigns for the Suns. Grant as the Basketball ops guy- he seems like he could really motivate a team well and Nash as GM managing who to bring in to fill out a roster and manage personalities on a team. Bring in KG to lead player development with Ayton/ Booker/ Bridges. The best coach for that scenario might be SVG (good history getting great production from bigs), Thibs (defense) or M. Jackson (leadership). We need experience and toughness with a defensive mindset wrapped in a package the players will respect. The only trick is to make all of that happen might cost $30+ million/ year.

Ironically we are actually built pretty well for the triangle offense right now. That said we need an offense that starts inside-out rather than outside-in. Igor is trying with the first quarter activity, and it's paying some dividends in keeping Ayton involved, but we are far from being complete there. Always go through the area where your team is most dominant first. Ayton is that- even with his flaws.

I'm good with your ideas for the front office. But no offense but I don't think I could list 3 guys I would be less interested in as coach (well Jason Kidd comes to mind but these guys are in my top 5). SVG was a good coach but he's been out of the game so damn long I just don't really see that working out. Thibs, just no, he has never liked to coach young players his system is outdated and he runs guys into the ground. And personally I think Mark Jackson is a bad coach and I would tend to think the league agrees with me since he hasn't got a job since GS.

If they do move on from Igor Walton is my favorite realistic target. I really like that he has experience working with a young team and he had them playing good D last year.

I wouldn't mind Walton, but not sure he'd come. I just hope they stop with the nonsense of changing every damn year. And yeah, those other names mentioned...man, that would really be awful. I'd look at Bret Brielmaeir though.

[BobbieL]

If not for the Atlanta Connection, I'd love to have Grant and Nash come back as a duo to take the reigns for the Suns. Grant as the Basketball ops guy- he seems like he could really motivate a team well and Nash as GM managing who to bring in to fill out a roster and manage personalities on a team. Bring in KG to lead player development with Ayton/ Booker/ Bridges. The best coach for that scenario might be SVG (good history getting great production from bigs), Thibs (defense) or M. Jackson (leadership). We need experience and toughness with a defensive mindset wrapped in a package the players will respect. The only trick is to make all of that happen might cost $30+ million/ year.

Ironically we are actually built pretty well for the triangle offense right now. That said we need an offense that starts inside-out rather than outside-in. Igor is trying with the first quarter activity, and it's paying some dividends in keeping Ayton involved, but we are far from being complete there. Always go through the area where your team is most dominant first. Ayton is that- even with his flaws.

I'm good with your ideas for the front office. But no offense but I don't think I could list 3 guys I would be less interested in as coach (well Jason Kidd comes to mind but these guys are in my top 5). SVG was a good coach but he's been out of the game so damn long I just don't really see that working out. Thibs, just no, he has never liked to coach young players his system is outdated and he runs guys into the ground. And personally I think Mark Jackson is a bad coach and I would tend to think the league agrees with me since he hasn't got a job since GS.

If they do move on from Igor Walton is my favorite realistic target. I really like that he has experience working with a young team and he had them playing good D last year.

I would prefer Jeff to Stan. But yes when Lebron fires Luke - I would take him if the Suns fire Igor. But I hope the Suns keep Igor - I would like to see him with a few better players.

[bwgood77]

Gambo is all about Rozier on Twitter
when asked why he said "Milwaukee series" was his answer

so many replies that were like "small sample size"

Yes, if you look at all responses you should see a couple from me, though after including Gambo on one I may have taken him off and just responded to some of the responders once or twice.

[Blonde]

Rozier has been downright bad for his entire career besides 1 series. He’ll be around all summer waiting on an offer from us, so if we go to him first thing when free agency starts that will be a massive organizational failure.

[BobbieL]

Gambo is all about Rozier on Twitter
when asked why he said "Milwaukee series" was his answer

so many replies that were like "small sample size"

Yes, if you look at all responses you should see a couple from me, though after including Gambo on one I may have taken him off and just responded to some of the responders once or twice.

I was the one pushing COllison - thanks to you

[lilfishi22]

Doesn’t Sarver own the Phoenix Mercury? Haven’t they won a few championships under him? Aren’t they a perennial playoff team with taurasi returning year after year? I don’t believe everything that’s being said about Sarver. I think it all started with the hiring of blanks. Sarver wants to win so bad he’s impatient and is probably easily persuaded by these nba execs that he buys into their plans. That would explain his quick hires. I believe he hired McDonough based off the same logic where he was Danny ainges understudy and the Celtics won a championship so he hired him. McDonough was given full autonomy I believe and blew it head coach after head coach. Traded players for draft picks to eventually turn those picks into a star and kept procrastinating all while veterans like Bledsoe were getting fed up of losing. But Sarver was patient and let McDonough carry out his plan until James Jones or someone told him this summer there was a better plan and the team is not going to win with just young players and also got the heads up from jones that players around the league don’t trust McDonough so they won’t play here. Hence the firing preseason.
I believe Sarver has a short temper and is probably arrogant and tries to be involved in decision making of the roster but I don’t believe he makes all the decisions and it’s his way or nothing at all. All these reports about Sarver are because someone in the media obviously doesn’t like him for personal reasons.

He's not bad because he doesn't care about winning; I'd wager most owners do (good for their image and investment). The problem is he doesn't seem to know basketball, he gets too hands-on in basketball decisions and he makes bad hires which leads to the poor product we have on the floor.

I think for lack of a better word -he is almost ADD or up and down like a yo-yo.

One day he will make a decision to save cash. But than a week later - will make a worse long term move

1) Not signing Amare to the 5/100 with his knees. Smart. Than he signed a bunch of players to long term deals killing all long term cap. BAd

2) Trading Brian Grant and the 17th pick to the Celtics for 3m cash - saving 2m on Grant plus the 3m. (Celtics picked Rondo). Than trading the 18th pick to the Blazers for 3m and they drafted Sergio Rodriguez. So SArver got 8m bucks - yeah!! Than he signed Marcus Banks 21/5, I get Mike D didn't like rookies but again, longer term, drafting a PG like even Sergio would have saved him money


If Sarver just gave the GM a budget, had his foam finger and stayed away - his team probably would win more

He's trying to be Cuban. Even Cuban makes mistakes (Wes Mathews max money, near max money for Barnes) but for the most part, he has a REALLY solid front office that makes good decisions. To pull off the Luka trade and the KP trade in one year without having gone through the "asset accumulation" period that we've gone through is pretty damn impressive.