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DarkHawk wrote:Would anyone deal Warren for Brogdon (S&T)?
Helps us remove some salary in order to pay Brogdon a lot of money and also prevents the Bucks from matching if we were to take a chance on signing him to an offer sheet.
No need to stretch Johnson then
Blonde wrote:People talking sign and trades should know that they are extremely rare, especially for an RFA who a team would like to retain, like Brogdon. A sign and trade is pretty much limited to players forcing their way onto a particular team, not simply to help a recieving team afford a player. Also, there is no financial incentive for the traded player to be moved via sign and trade under the new CBA, so it is even more rare.
DarkHawk wrote:Blonde wrote:People talking sign and trades should know that they are extremely rare, especially for an RFA who a team would like to retain, like Brogdon. A sign and trade is pretty much limited to players forcing their way onto a particular team, not simply to help a recieving team afford a player. Also, there is no financial incentive for the traded player to be moved via sign and trade under the new CBA, so it is even more rare.
I think it'll be possible with Brogdon. They just paid Bledsoe. It would be odd for them to give Brogdon the same contract. I'd think they could use a Warren on a cost controlled contract.
I just fear we'll overpay for Rozier
GoranTragic wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252870/Kelly-Oubre-Prefers-To-Re-Sign-With-Suns
Oubre wants to be on this team. Sign him to a new contract.
LukasBMW wrote:GoranTragic wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252870/Kelly-Oubre-Prefers-To-Re-Sign-With-Suns
Oubre wants to be on this team. Sign him to a new contract.
It's a good marriage. Book wants to be here. Ayton wants to be here. Oubre wants to be here. That's half the battle. Keep em all.
I love love love to see Oubre slapping the floor on defense. It sets the tone.
Fo-Real wrote:If we somehow did win the Zion sweepstakes with the first pick, would any of you trade it (Zion) for Ben Simmons?
Fo-Real wrote:If we somehow did win the Zion sweepstakes with the first pick, would any of you trade it (Zion) for Ben Simmons?
SlovenianDragon wrote:Tyler Johnson essentially does everything Rozier does...
https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=204020&VsPlayerID=1626179&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Rozier shouldn't even be on our radars...We would really **** up if we went after him....I don't think I could watch Rozier on this team for multiple years....
Qwigglez wrote:LukasBMW wrote:GoranTragic wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252870/Kelly-Oubre-Prefers-To-Re-Sign-With-Suns
Oubre wants to be on this team. Sign him to a new contract.
It's a good marriage. Book wants to be here. Ayton wants to be here. Oubre wants to be here. That's half the battle. Keep em all.
I love love love to see Oubre slapping the floor on defense. It sets the tone.
If he truly wants to be here then he should wait for us to sign another free agent before giving him his deal. Allow us to maximize our cap space before going over the cap because I believe Oubre will likely get somewhere in the $13-15M range, while his caphold is only about $10M.
Fo-Real wrote:The Celtics are going to match what Rozier gets offered (wont be that much). The whole reason he is still on the roster is insurance for the Kyrie saga and they are gonna have to cash in on that insurance, KYRIE is LEAVING! They will need to retain Rozier after he Irving leaves.
DarkHawk wrote:Blonde wrote:People talking sign and trades should know that they are extremely rare, especially for an RFA who a team would like to retain, like Brogdon. A sign and trade is pretty much limited to players forcing their way onto a particular team, not simply to help a recieving team afford a player. Also, there is no financial incentive for the traded player to be moved via sign and trade under the new CBA, so it is even more rare.
I think it'll be possible with Brogdon. They just paid Bledsoe. It would be odd for them to give Brogdon the same contract. I'd think they could use a Warren on a cost controlled contract.
I just fear we'll overpay for Rozier
hollywood6964 wrote:cberry78 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:I imagine we will keep the cap hold on Oubre. If we keep our draft pick and the cap hold on Holmes, that will only leave between about $6-$9 million in cap space depending on how high our pick is. If we traded our pick and didn't take any salary back, we would have $15.5 million in cap space with the holds. If we released the Holmes hold it goes up to $17 million.
Here are the draft pick rookie scale contracts...the cap holds on them are 120% of salary because you can pay them anywhere from 80%-120% of hold. I imagine most high picks get the 120%.
So that puts the #1 pick at about $9.6, #2 at about $8.6, #3 at $7.8, #4 at $7, #5 at $6.4, #6 at $5.8 and #7 at $5.3.
So wherever our pick lands, you would subract the associated salary from $15.5 (with Oubre/Holmes holds) and $17 with just Oubre hold.
Doesn't include Dragan. So it will be interesting to see what road they take to create cap space. Obviously trading our pick and adding salary like Jackson, Warren or Johnson are about the only ways to take back a big salary like Jrue in trade. If we don't do a trade, it will come down to either stretching Johnson or trading someone like TJ and not taking money back to create more space (if we keep our pick).
I imagine Bukstein has mapped out a bunch of different scenarios and options with his decision trees or whatever it is they said they used.
What if we sigh Tyler to an extension (i.e. 4/36-ish), wouldn't this reduce his cap hit in the coming year?
I would not put that kind of long term money in him. I'd be thinking of ways to get rid of him this summer. I know this board gets so excited they cannot think straight after every win, but Johnson is a bench player. He'll have ups n downs, but he's a bench player none the less.