Season Speculation, Free Agency & Trade Ideas: Our Johnson is finally working

[SlovenianDragon]

What if we sigh Tyler to an extension (i.e. 4/36-ish), wouldn't this reduce his cap hit in the coming year?

I would not put that kind of long term money in him. I'd be thinking of ways to get rid of him this summer. I know this board gets so excited they cannot think straight after every win, but Johnson is a bench player. He'll have ups n downs, but he's a bench player none the less.

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

OT about ur sig...


On the origin of the quote "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt," which has been wrongly attributed to both to Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain
The earliest evidence that I was able to find was a 1907 book by Maurice Switzer. And it seems to contain a lot of original material and it includes the statement "It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." So it's slightly different phrasing, but I believe that is what evolved to generate the modern common version.

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/04/522581148/hemingway-didnt-say-that-and-neither-did-twain-or-kafka

[hollywood6964]

What if we sigh Tyler to an extension (i.e. 4/36-ish), wouldn't this reduce his cap hit in the coming year?

I would not put that kind of long term money in him. I'd be thinking of ways to get rid of him this summer. I know this board gets so excited they cannot think straight after every win, but Johnson is a bench player. He'll have ups n downs, but he's a bench player none the less.

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

[jcsunsfan]

I would not put that kind of long term money in him. I'd be thinking of ways to get rid of him this summer. I know this board gets so excited they cannot think straight after every win, but Johnson is a bench player. He'll have ups n downs, but he's a bench player none the less.

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

Tyler is owed $21 million for next year, but he also has a player ETO to exercise if he wants. We have to figure out what he is worth to us in the open market. Let's say $8 million per year. We might get him to tear up that final year by offering him something like $48 million for four years.

20 for one year plus, 8 million for 3, plus 2 million to make it worth his while. This is probably lowballing.

But something like this could get us an extra $9 million in cap money.

[cberry78]

I would not put that kind of long term money in him. I'd be thinking of ways to get rid of him this summer. I know this board gets so excited they cannot think straight after every win, but Johnson is a bench player. He'll have ups n downs, but he's a bench player none the less.

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

What better asset could we get for 10 mil, that is worth 10 mil, would want to come play for this incarnation of the Suns? Serious question.

[TASTIC]

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

What better asset could we get for 10 mil, that is worth 10 mil, would want to come play for this incarnation of the Suns? Serious question.

[BobbieL]

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

Tyler is owed $21 million for next year, but he also has a player ETO to exercise if he wants. We have to figure out what he is worth to us in the open market. Let's say $8 million per year. We might get him to tear up that final year by offering him something like $48 million for four years.

20 for one year plus, 8 million for 3, plus 2 million to make it worth his while. This is probably lowballing.

But something like this could get us an extra $9 million in cap money.

The reason I have advocated for an extension for Tyler is because if you stretch him - it’s 6.4m so if you got him for say 4/38, that’s only 3m


The key thing with Johnson is the lottery. If the Suns get a pick that isn’t Zion - maybe they have talks to attach his contract (Jrue maybe , I guess Lowry with the Bucks pick if they flame out).

But if those talks fizzle or the Suns get Zion- maybe they get him to decline for a new deal

[LukasBMW]

If we somehow did win the Zion sweepstakes with the first pick, would any of you trade it (Zion) for Ben Simmons?

NO! But only because Simmons has Rich Paul as an agent.

Same with AD. Normally I'd trade Zion for AD, but not anymore given AD and Rich Paul are in bed together.

[lilfishi22]

Bench player might be a stretch, but he does fit next to DB so far, and Johnson at 9 or 10 mil is going to be hell of a lot easier to trade than Johnson at 19 mil. Plus you'd have the benefit of added cap space this year, and control of him for a few more years. Barring stretching his contract over the next 3 years, an extension makes his contract a much easier pill to swallow if he just flames out.

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

Tyler is owed $21 million for next year, but he also has a player ETO to exercise if he wants. We have to figure out what he is worth to us in the open market. Let's say $8 million per year. We might get him to tear up that final year by offering him something like $48 million for four years.

20 for one year plus, 8 million for 3, plus 2 million to make it worth his while. This is probably lowballing.

But something like this could get us an extra $9 million in cap money.

Tyler Johnson contract extension



I would laughed in your face 2 weeks ago but you make pretty good points. If we can get him to agree to a longer but more manageable deal, it would make some sense to keep him around long term. I do like how he's been playing the past few games and his defense, energy and Miami discipline/conditioning is somewhat infectious.

[TheLogician]

Why wouldn't we just waive and stretch Johnson? No reason to extend him.

[cberry78]

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

What better asset could we get for 10 mil, that is worth 10 mil, would want to come play for this incarnation of the Suns? Serious question.

Yeah....exactly my point.

[hollywood6964]

What better asset could we get for 10 mil, that is worth 10 mil, would want to come play for this incarnation of the Suns? Serious question.

Yeah....exactly my point.

I would hope that you wouldn't think this is all we can can get, so johnson would suffice. Just like anybody else on here, I don't know who would want to come here, I don't know any nba players personal thoughts about playing in phx. But I do think we could do better than johnson, there are a lot of solid nba players that go for around the 10 mil mark.

[TheLogician]

I think this works if we waive/stretch Tyler Johnson. Trade TJ Warren, Josh Jackson, pick swap with Orlando for Aaron Gordon.

Darren Collison/De'Anthony Melton
Devin Booker/Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Mikal Bridges/Kelly Oubre
Aaron Gordon/Bender or 2nd rounder
Deandre Ayton/Richaun Holmes

[Revived]

I would put that 10 mil toward a better asset. That's my opinion.

What better asset could we get for 10 mil, that is worth 10 mil, would want to come play for this incarnation of the Suns? Serious question.

Just because Ariza is the one that the idiot McDonough waited till exactly midnight to sign doesn’t mean that he’s the only they could’ve got.

There were other options, especially PG ones like Tyreke Evans, Fred Van Vleet and few others but the idiot McD decided to stock up on the position with already the most depth on the team.

[lilfishi22]

Why wouldn't we just waive and stretch Johnson? No reason to extend him.

That's pure dead money. Unless you have an FA target or a trade lined up then I wouldn't just stretch him.

Extending him imo gives us more depth at the 1/2, he potentially becomes easier to trade at a smaller salary figure and we could gain more cap space from reducing his $19m salary down. The fact that he can actually play and has helped us play better (unlike Ryno) turns him from a pure salary matching/expiring contract into an on-court asset.

Now things could certainly change between now and the end of the season, he could completely tank ANY value he has by playing worse than Crawford and if that's the case, maybe we'll go down the stretch route. But I'd try and avoid stretching a $19m player if possible

[lilfishi22]

What better asset could we get for 10 mil, that is worth 10 mil, would want to come play for this incarnation of the Suns? Serious question.

Just because Ariza is the one that the idiot McDonough waited till exactly midnight to sign doesn’t mean that he’s the only they could’ve got.

There were other options, especially PG ones like Tyreke Evans, Fred Van Vleet and few others but the idiot McD decided to stock up on the position with already the most depth on the team.

He was suppose to add depth at the 4 and tried to create a "4-out" offense.

[Revived]

Why wouldn't we just waive and stretch Johnson? No reason to extend him.

That's pure dead money. Unless you have an FA target or a trade lined up then I wouldn't just stretch him.

Extending him imo gives us more depth at the 1/2, he potentially becomes easier to trade at a smaller salary figure and we could gain more cap space from reducing his $19m salary down. The fact that he can actually play and has helped us play better (unlike Ryno) turns him from a pure salary matching/expiring contract into an on-court asset.

Now things could certainly change between now and the end of the season, he could completely tank ANY value he has by playing worse than Crawford and if that's the case, maybe we'll go down the stretch route. But I'd try and avoid stretching a $19m player if possible

I wouldn’t do either one, let him play out his last year of his deal. Perhaps his expiring contract comes in handy for us at the end of next season.

We haven’t seen enough to see what we should extend him at.

[Revived]

Just because Ariza is the one that the idiot McDonough waited till exactly midnight to sign doesn’t mean that he’s the only they could’ve got.

There were other options, especially PG ones like Tyreke Evans, Fred Van Vleet and few others but the idiot McD decided to stock up on the position with already the most depth on the team.

He was suppose to add depth at the 4 and tried to create a "4-out" offense.

Which was followed by trading for Ryan Anderson creating a logjam there as well.

[bwgood77]

Why wouldn't we just waive and stretch Johnson? No reason to extend him.

That's pure dead money. Unless you have an FA target or a trade lined up then I wouldn't just stretch him.

Extending him imo gives us more depth at the 1/2, he potentially becomes easier to trade at a smaller salary figure and we could gain more cap space from reducing his $19m salary down. The fact that he can actually play and has helped us play better (unlike Ryno) turns him from a pure salary matching/expiring contract into an on-court asset.

Now things could certainly change between now and the end of the season, he could completely tank ANY value he has by playing worse than Crawford and if that's the case, maybe we'll go down the stretch route. But I'd try and avoid stretching a $19m player if possible

I seriously doubt he declines his player option for such a deal. We wouldn't stretch him unless we had a clear upgrade type of FA to sign...but we could then waive and stretch at any time this summer. His player option is probably due before that. I wouldn't give him a 4 year deal just to create cap space unless he was someone you would have given that type of deal to in the first place.

[lilfishi22]

Why wouldn't we just waive and stretch Johnson? No reason to extend him.

That's pure dead money. Unless you have an FA target or a trade lined up then I wouldn't just stretch him.

Extending him imo gives us more depth at the 1/2, he potentially becomes easier to trade at a smaller salary figure and we could gain more cap space from reducing his $19m salary down. The fact that he can actually play and has helped us play better (unlike Ryno) turns him from a pure salary matching/expiring contract into an on-court asset.

Now things could certainly change between now and the end of the season, he could completely tank ANY value he has by playing worse than Crawford and if that's the case, maybe we'll go down the stretch route. But I'd try and avoid stretching a $19m player if possible

I wouldn’t do either one, let him play out his last year of his deal. Perhaps his expiring contract comes in handy for us at the end of next season.

We haven’t seen enough to see what we should extend him at.

I'm fine with playing him half the season and see if anyone wants his expiring deal at the trade deadline. Also fine with just having him expire at the end of the season. The extension talk only makes sense if we come up with a good asset.

[Frank Lee]

If we need the cap space you redo his deal. If not, so be it.... but he’s a guy I could see being here for 3-4 yrs. solid D, gritty gym rat who plays the right way.