GT #64: Mavericks @ Wizards 7:00 PM

[nate33]

But on a vet min contract - he would be a fine bench player... IMO.

His pedigree alone is going to get him far more than a vet-minimum contract from someone. I think a rebuilding team may take a risk and offer him an MLE-sized contract. I don't think anyone would risk giving him a long term deal though. At best he gets a 1+1 or a 2+1 contract (the +1 being a team option).

Frankly, I might be willing to take a flyer on him for an MLE-sized deal of 1 year plus a team option for a 2nd year. The free agency market for power forwards is pretty weak this summer.

MLE contracts are typically fair value for a 5th starter 6th man type of player. Jabari could be a pretty good 6th man. He's a hot-and-cold instant offense type of guy. If he's got it going on a particular night, you ride him for a while. If he doesn't, you bench him pretty quickly and get your starter back in. Also, he's young enough (and out of shape enough) that he is still capable of significant improvement.

[doclinkin]

Masterful tank job by Carlisle. Managing personnel to get just the right amount of lead to prevent a comeback but feel like your team is really fighting.

Mavs don't have a reason to tank because they owe their pick to the Hawks. Sure it's top-5 protected but odds are not on their side right now. Maybe Carlisle knows that if Wiz make the playoffs nothing changes here while they're building a dynasty.

But this team is fun to watch nowadays, when they play the young cats.

Personally I've lost all interest in watching games this season and as long as Brooks/EG are here. Hopefully that changes sooner than later.

Mavs have a small reason to tank. Right now the Mavs can increase their chances by up to 37.4 % to land in the top 4(assuming they can pass Memphis in the tank).

Exactly. Check the odds chart> http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

As of yesterday we were 7th, after Dallas we were 8th (tied with Dallas but as of this game they have the tiebreaker). Dallas has nothing to play for this season *except* tank odds. And development for youth. Last night they did both. As of yesterday our second greatest odds were to jump into the top 4. Our strongest odds were to fall one slot. 3rd most likely option was that we stand pat at (then) 7th pick.

NOW our strongest odds are to pick at 8th. 2nd most likely odds are that we fall to 9th. Our 3rd strongest chance is to jump to the top 4. Where Dallas is only a couple games behind Memphis who have better than a 1-in-3 chance to jump into the top 4.


This really was a terrible win

[verbal8]

But on a vet min contract - he would be a fine bench player... IMO.

His pedigree alone is going to get him far more than a vet-minimum contract from someone. I think a rebuilding team may take a risk and offer him an MLE-sized contract. I don't think anyone would risk giving him a long term deal though. At best he gets a 1+1 or a 2+1 contract (the +1 being a team option).

Frankly, I might be willing to take a flyer on him for an MLE-sized deal of 1 year plus a team option for a 2nd year. The free agency market for power forwards is pretty weak this summer.

MLE contracts are typically fair value for a 5th starter 6th man type of player. Jabari could be a pretty good 6th man. He's a hot-and-cold instant offense type of guy. If he's got it going on a particular night, you ride him for a while. If he doesn't, you bench him pretty quickly and get your starter back in. Also, he's young enough (and out of shape enough) that he is still capable of significant improvement.

I think Parker has some similarities with Beasley(also a #2 draft pick). Both are talented players who haven't figured out how to become good enough on defense to help a team win.

[dckingsfan]

But on a vet min contract - he would be a fine bench player... IMO.

His pedigree alone is going to get him far more than a vet-minimum contract from someone. I think a rebuilding team may take a risk and offer him an MLE-sized contract. I don't think anyone would risk giving him a long term deal though. At best he gets a 1+1 or a 2+1 contract (the +1 being a team option).

Frankly, I might be willing to take a flyer on him for an MLE-sized deal of 1 year plus a team option for a 2nd year. The free agency market for power forwards is pretty weak this summer.

MLE contracts are typically fair value for a 5th starter 6th man type of player. Jabari could be a pretty good 6th man. He's a hot-and-cold instant offense type of guy. If he's got it going on a particular night, you ride him for a while. If he doesn't, you bench him pretty quickly and get your starter back in. Also, he's young enough (and out of shape enough) that he is still capable of significant improvement.

I think Parker has some similarities with Beasley(also a #2 draft pick). Both are talented players who haven't figured out how to become good enough on defense to help a team win.

In Parker's case could it be a physical limitation?

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Don’t know quite what to make of Jabari. ...I certainly don’t think we should rule out keeping him in a Zards uni for the next year or two.

...on a vet min contract - he would be a fine bench player... IMO.

He's too young to find himself on a vet min contract. One or more teams will give him a multi-year offer with raises & a team option. I.e. a chance to prove himself, establish his career.

Should we make that kind of offer? Sure, why not. As long as it's for no more than a few $m & features a team option before any big raises take place. Say $4m/$5m/(option)$8m.

Most likely it'd be a 2-year waste of $ followed by declining his year-3 option. But, in today's NBA, that's a bet I'd say was worth making. More than that would require a lot more thought.

Doesn't matter. He'll take the highest offer he gets (he'd be nuts not to), & I'm pretty sure some team with no payroll problems will offer a deal that pays him double that amount in year 1.

[dckingsfan]

Don’t know quite what to make of Jabari. ...I certainly don’t think we should rule out keeping him in a Zards uni for the next year or two.

...on a vet min contract - he would be a fine bench player... IMO.

He's too young to find himself on a vet min contract. One or more teams will give him a multi-year offer with raises & a team option. I.e. a chance to prove himself, establish his career.

Should we make that kind of offer? Sure, why not. As long as it's for no more than a few $m & features a team option before any big raises take place. Say $4m/$5m/(option)$8m.

Most likely it'd be a 2-year waste of $ followed by declining his year-3 option. But, in today's NBA, that's a bet I'd say was worth making. More than that would require a lot more thought.

Doesn't matter. He'll take the highest offer he gets (he'd be nuts not to), & I'm pretty sure some team with no payroll problems will offer a deal that pays him double that amount in year 1.

In that case, count me out... I don't see him as a sixth man - more like a seventh.

[nate33]

Don’t know quite what to make of Jabari. ...I certainly don’t think we should rule out keeping him in a Zards uni for the next year or two.

...on a vet min contract - he would be a fine bench player... IMO.

He's too young to find himself on a vet min contract. One or more teams will give him a multi-year offer with raises & a team option. I.e. a chance to prove himself, establish his career.

Should we make that kind of offer? Sure, why not. As long as it's for no more than a few $m & features a team option before any big raises take place. Say $4m/$5m/(option)$8m.

Most likely it'd be a 2-year waste of $ followed by declining his year-3 option. But, in today's NBA, that's a bet I'd say was worth making. More than that would require a lot more thought.

Doesn't matter. He'll take the highest offer he gets (he'd be nuts not to), & I'm pretty sure some team with no payroll problems will offer a deal that pays him double that amount in year 1.

PIF, raises (or declines) can't be more than 7.5% of the 1st year salary of any contract. Also you can't have team options or player options except in the last year of a contract, and you can only have one option.

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PIF, raises (or declines) can't be more than 7.5% of the 1st year salary of any contract. Also you can't have team options or player options except in the last year of a contract, and you can only have one option.

Thanks, nate. But (just so I can learn something...) that must not be true of rookie contracts. &, for that matter, maybe it kicks in at a certain level?

Randle is making under $1m this year, but our option on him is at double his salary this year. Or... is his contract a rookie contract as well?

[dangermouse]

The tank was strong for the Mavs. What a situation for them, having to drop back to 5th pick or better to keep it, but having the luxury of the "Nowitzki farewell tour." Just call his old ass up when its close in crunch time or when they get on a bit of a streak. Watching him trying to run up and down the court was painful.

[nate33]

PIF, raises (or declines) can't be more than 7.5% of the 1st year salary of any contract. Also you can't have team options or player options except in the last year of a contract, and you can only have one option.

Thanks, nate. But (just so I can learn something...) that must not be true of rookie contracts. &, for that matter, maybe it kicks in at a certain level?

Randle is making under $1m this year, but our option on him is at double his salary this year. Or... is his contract a rookie contract as well?

No, it is not true of rookie scale contracts which have salary structures pre-ordained by the CBA. Rookie deals have team options in the 3rd and 4th seasons, and they have raises greater than 7.5%

Randle does not have a team option. He is a free agent. The $1.8M figure showing at Spotrac is his qualifying offer that we would need to shell out if we wanted to make him a restricted free agent and get the right to match another contract. However, if we did not retain RFA rights on him, and Randle did not choose to go elsewhere, we could resign him for the vet minimum, which, in his case, would be $1.34M.

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Thanks again. I hope he is not our best option for a backup PG. Nice kid, can shoot the 3, doesn't do anything else well.

[Dat2U]

I don't see Randle as a viable option as backup PG. He's not someone I'd be interested in resigning. He brings nothing outside of the ability to make an outside shot.

[nate33]

I don't see Randle as a viable option as backup PG. He's not someone I'd be interested in resigning. He brings nothing outside of the ability to make an outside shot.

Making outside shots is really important though. And as long as he is playing alongside Beal or Sato, he doesn't need to do much playmaking. Heck, maybe Troy Brown gets to the point where he is the default point guard when he shares the floor with Randle. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying we absolutely should keep Randle. I'm just saying that shooting matters. Randle has a niche in this league, albeit a small one as a 14th/15th man.

That said, I think we can do better.

For the first 60 games next year, we should only have Sato (and Beal) as a primary PG. We should have 15 minutes per game available at backup PG until Wall gets back. That presents a compelling opportunity for a young PG who wants to make a name for himself. Hopefully we can find a reasonably talented guy who will choose to play here as regular-rotation backup PG on a vet minimum contract instead of someplace else as a 3rd stringer.