Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[dakomish23]

Frank / Dotson / Mitch in 232 min together have a +8.9 net rating. What if you throw DSJ in there with them and see what happens? Wouldn't that be a wild idea?

GTFO with your logic and common sense

They never committed and I’m surprised it took this long for them to decide to move him. Those 4 could look great together and they’re still going to trade him.

I can’t wait to see what this Mudiay deal looks like

[dakomish23]

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[Sark]

So if Frank has value like some think he does then we should be expecting to have 2 first round picks this summer, right? We are seeking a first so it shouldnt be a problem for us to get one. Hopefully that's the case on draft night

What's the salary difference between Frank's current and this year's pick in the 20 s?

it may be that they want frank's 6 mill off the cap so they can give it to a role player next year to fill out the team. maybe they want a future pick instead so no money will be on the cap this summer. but that's even more reason they should have played him a lot. because he doesn't have much value currently, so maybe you can pump it up. i mean, did we really need to give trey burke minutes this year ? he was never coming back.

This team always does everything back asswards. They did the same exact thing with KOQ and WHG last year. Instead of pumping up WHG value when KP went down, they continued to play KOQ, and traded WHG, only to watch KOQ leave in free agency. At the end of WHG's first year, his trade value was a first round pick, when he made second team All Rookie.

[GEOLINK]

I’m not emotionally attached to Frank anymore, anyone can have him at the right price.

[Juco24]

Mark berman

End of story

You beat me to it.... FAKENEWS

[Icandoallthings]

You aren't getting a first for Frank. He will either be moved for a second or part of a bigger trade. Frank ain't KP and he doesn't help a playoff team.

[GONYK]

the signs were there all year that they didn't love frank.....the signs are also there that they like mudiay. my question is, can we kill the sign maker ?

Kinda says more about the evaluators than the players

The evaluators that got us Mitch & Trier...

Spoiler:

Fiz got us Knox

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[knicksrebuilder]

what's max we can get? top 25 pick?

[vallen]

You aren't getting a first for Frank. He will either be moved for a second or part of a bigger trade. Frank ain't KP and he doesn't help a playoff team.

yep hes pretty worthless. they might b able to get a 2nd rounder on draft night. pretty much every guard Perrys acquired from D-League, undrafted, or trade has out performed Frank. Such a waste of a pick. And considering how many guards Perrys acquired since he got here has to give anyone reason to believe hes not going to be here much longer. Hopefully someone has interest, cuz hes not really NBA material.

[Sark]

You aren't getting a first for Frank. He will either be moved for a second or part of a bigger trade. Frank ain't KP and he doesn't help a playoff team.

yep hes pretty worthless. they might b able to get a 2nd rounder on draft night. pretty much every guard Perrys acquired from D-League, undrafted, or trade has out performed Frank. Such a waste of a pick. And considering how many guards Perrys acquired since he got here has to give anyone reason to believe hes not going to be here much longer. Hopefully someone has interest, cuz hes not really NBA material.

He's more NBA material than Kevin Knox. At least Frank is an elite defender. That gives him some value. Knox is good at nothing so far.

Of all players who have played at least 1,600 minutes in a season, Knox’s -6.4 BPM is the second-worst all time during the 3-Point Era. Only John Amaechi posted a worse -6.9 BPM in the 2000–01 season.

When your comp is John Amaechi, you got serious problems.

[Rodimus921]

Knicks get 2 2nd round picks

Spurs get Frank

[thebuzzardman]

So, another Berman sh*t stirring article, but because it's Frank, got you all to go 5 pages deep in comment eh?

If I was Berman, I'd cut a deal with the people who own this site for click revenue.

[thebuzzardman]

I tried to tell y'all. But Phish Tank (and others) be in denial...

More like fat lazy ass Berman read this forum, then wrote an article, then ate some sandwiches.

[thebuzzardman]

Some NBA sources believe Ntilikina has not been given a fair shake at point guard.
“Don’t they have to see what they have first?” one NBA source said. “If he turns into a bust as a lottery pick, fine. But they do not know that yet.”

How long have we said this? The list of excuses a mile long to not commit to playing him last year.

I hope he ends up in DAL. Buzz, speak it into existence.

I have a few times already. Eventually he winds up there.

[thebuzzardman]

Fizdale has indicated when the 6-foot-6 Ntilikina returns, he mostly will play wing, even mentioning power forward. The Knicks are putting it all in Smith’s hands and still analyzing if they can re-sign Mudiay, a restricted free agent. The issue is moot if Kyrie Irving or Kemba Walker signs with the Knicks, but there’s no way they can bank on a flip-flopping Irving.

Power Forward?

I'm COMPLETELY convinced, no joking, that Berman reads stuff on here and writes articles off it.

#1 - The first part is easy enough not reading here - do the whole "player position x controversy" for any sport. It's a tabloid staple. But there's ALWAYS an undercurrent of "Frank this/that" on here

#2 - While the Post article just came out that "Kidd talks to PG's, but not Frank" and it's clear Berman could just spin up a secondary variation, comments on here that "Frank is on the outs" feel awfully familiar

#3 - The smoking gun. i know I've joked about Frank playing PF. I know others have too. I don't know if I've ever seen one serious thing written speculating it, other than maybe, maybe, very early in the year. Just recently, someone joked about "Frank will be the PF". Within 2 days, it's in a Post article.

I've been feeling this for a little while about Berman, but tossed the idea aside as being the result of the fact that the handful of ideas about the Knicks that circulate around are in a bunch of places and not that hard to discern, but now I'm fairly sure Berman reads this site for generalized article ideas. Too much stuff hews too close to comments that were made a day or two before

Ok, in fairness, Berman had an article from September where he mentions Fiz playing him spot minutes at PF

https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/frank-ntilikinas-improvement-is-a-game-of-inches/

[thebuzzardman]

Who on this team, outside of Mitch, isn't available for a first round pick?

I'll wait.

Trier?

I mean, depending on the pick, of course. But would most players drafted 18 or lower have that good a chance of out performing Triers rookie year, no less his projected career?

Especially in this draft. On the other hand, I'd agree, if the Knicks had very specific knowledge about who was coming and could trade Trier for some guy already drafted who fits in better with what the team needs.

I'd say Trier already fits a common NBA need of microwave scorer off the bench though. Which he could fulfill on almost any team that doesn't already have Lou Williams calibre guy on it.

[F N 11]

Fizdale has indicated when the 6-foot-6 Ntilikina returns, he mostly will play wing, even mentioning power forward. The Knicks are putting it all in Smith’s hands and still analyzing if they can re-sign Mudiay, a restricted free agent. The issue is moot if Kyrie Irving or Kemba Walker signs with the Knicks, but there’s no way they can bank on a flip-flopping Irving.

Power Forward?

Lmao Mudiay... this is why I am saying Kyrie needs to come.

[thebuzzardman]

the signs were there all year that they didn't love frank.....the signs are also there that they like mudiay. my question is, can we kill the sign maker ?

Kinda says more about the evaluators than the players

The evaluators that got us Mitch & Trier...

Spoiler:

And Knox and Mudiay

Maybe it's not a unified group. Someone in the FO is carping for Mudiay and if Frank is a bad idea moving forward, Mudiay is a REALLY bad idea.

[Triple C]

Just don't trade Mitch and you can do whatever you want

[thebuzzardman]

Just don't trade Mitch and you can do whatever you want

So, Mitch is a really good defender but a limited offensive player. Obviously at a position where it's more possible to get away with that. Yet he has defensive lapses etc as well, as young players do. Frank is a really good defender, limited offensively, obviously it matters more as a guard, has lapses. Of course, if Frank has a lapse on defense, the usual suspects carry on about it - look at these two plays! Frank lost his man! Meanwhile Mitch gets roasted in the P&R at least twice a game. Because he's young. But hey, if standards were applied evenly, should be a segment of the board going on about how "Mitch isn't all that on defense"

Anyway, Mitch vs AD, in that AD is every bit the defender Mitch is, but is everything Mitch probably never achieves on offense?

Yeah, there isn't ONE player on this roster who should be safe. I'd trade Mitch's current value of "superlative defensive BACKUP" for AD's "HOF bound PF/C" every day all day.

I mean, if the Knicks got a player at 36 in the draft that made the difference in getting Anthony Davis? See you later Mitch.