Season Speculation, Free Agency & Trade Ideas: Our Johnson is finally working

[BobbieL]

A S&T just isn’t very plausible unless the Hornets really just want someone like Warren (from NC) or Josh Jackson. Otherwise, we can’t include our 2019 since the draft is before free agency. I guess getting our 2020 pick is a nice consolation prize for a team going to lose an asset for free anyhow.
I’d be more interested in Jrue Holiday during the draft if he privately tells the Pels organization he’d like to be moved. Next would probably be Kemba, and then Conley not far behind. I don’t think I’d trade our 2019 pick for Conley though, so a trade scenario involving him would happen after the draft. Also depending on if the Nets are able to grab two max free agents and renounce D’Lo ($21M cap hold) then I’d figure something out to make room where we can go after him.

I agree - the only player I would trade the 2019 FRP for is Jrue. For Conley - probably the Bucks pick and maybe the Suns 2019 2nd.

There just are a lot of pieces to the puzzle for the Suns: what draft pick do they get?
Do they bring back Oubre - whats the cost as has been playing well

Tyler Johnson has value to not stretch. This isn't Ryan Anderson - Johnson brings something to the team. I would probably rather suck it up and pay him - but ask me who he would be stretched for? Also, if you trade Tyler and Josh you are bringing back 27m - will that leave enough cap space to do something else or are you also trading say Warren to fill another hole.

Warren - good contract. Good scoring ability but not the best defender or rebounder so best suited to be a 6th man

Jackson - just doesn't do much so probably doesn't have value - so may have to trade for another player of low value; granted not sure who that is and hope that player fits. Or attach the Bucks pick

It will be a fun offseason and I hope Sarver hires somebody so that person will be working with Jones and Buk.

[BobbieL]

I think we are going to find that TJ Johnson is not much worse than McConnell or Rozier. Might as well just keep him. If we go for a pg, we go for a better one like Kemba or Ja in the draft.

Thats where I am at - unless you can truly upgrade - Tyler Johnson has value in the NBA so stretching him would be stupid - depending on who you get. But I would rather have one year of Tyler than multiple years of Rozier.

Sure, I like Rubio - but not sure how the math works. Suns are pretty tight against it. Moving that FRP - if not Zion could bring back a nice player. Though it might seem they are selling low - but if the player is a solid rotational; player at the 1 or 4, sign me up.

[bwgood77]

I agree - the only player I would trade the 2019 FRP for is Jrue. For Conley - probably the Bucks pick and maybe the Suns 2019 2nd.

I'd probably trade him for Curry and Lillard too. Probably Beal as well. I'm sure a few others I'm not thinking of. I assume you mean if the pick is not Zion.

[BobbieL]

I agree - the only player I would trade the 2019 FRP for is Jrue. For Conley - probably the Bucks pick and maybe the Suns 2019 2nd.

I'd probably trade him for Curry and Lillard too. Probably Beal as well. I'm sure a few others I'm not thinking of. I assume you mean if the pick is not Zion.

Correct. If the pick is not Zion. And yes, Lillard or Beal or Curry would be good and others too. Just thinking that if the Pels move Davis - does Jrue become a trade target. Also, I guess if the Blazers flame out in the playoffs - and if you are in the West, that could happen - -they might move one of the two guards.

I guess just have to wait and see - that pick, if not Zion, might have more options than I am even thinking about today.

[King4Day]

I agree - the only player I would trade the 2019 FRP for is Jrue. For Conley - probably the Bucks pick and maybe the Suns 2019 2nd.

I'd probably trade him for Curry and Lillard too. Probably Beal as well. I'm sure a few others I'm not thinking of. I assume you mean if the pick is not Zion.

Correct. If the pick is not Zion. And yes, Lillard or Beal or Curry would be good and others too. Just thinking that if the Pels move Davis - does Jrue become a trade target. Also, I guess if the Blazers flame out in the playoffs - and if you are in the West, that could happen - -they might move one of the two guards.

I guess just have to wait and see - that pick, if not Zion, might have more options than I am even thinking about today.

I would trade the pick, even if it were Zion to get Curry.
Unless you mean Seth. I don't think he'd cost us our first rounder though.

I could see Portland making one of CJ / Lillard available if they flame out early again.

[Saberestar]

Phoenix Suns forward T.J. Warren will remain sidelined due a bone bruise in his right ankle for the team’s games on Saturday and Sunday, per 98.7 FM Arizona’s Sports Station’s John Gambadoro.

The Suns continue to take Warren’s situation day-by-day and have not ruled him out for the rest of the season yet despite a little over a month remaining.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1866856/t-j-warren-remains-out-for-suns-weekend-road-trip-due-to-right-ankle/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[BobbieL]

I'd probably trade him for Curry and Lillard too. Probably Beal as well. I'm sure a few others I'm not thinking of. I assume you mean if the pick is not Zion.

Correct. If the pick is not Zion. And yes, Lillard or Beal or Curry would be good and others too. Just thinking that if the Pels move Davis - does Jrue become a trade target. Also, I guess if the Blazers flame out in the playoffs - and if you are in the West, that could happen - -they might move one of the two guards.

I guess just have to wait and see - that pick, if not Zion, might have more options than I am even thinking about today.

I would trade the pick, even if it were Zion to get Curry.
Unless you mean Seth. I don't think he'd cost us our first rounder though.

I could see Portland making one of CJ / Lillard available if they flame out early again.

I'll take the number 2 pick - would really control a lot of the draft since Zion is such a foregone conclusion. But the Suns could have a few trade options - if somebody wants Morant? Barrett? in a flip or like with Portland - maybe they feel like a chance necessary

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Correct. If the pick is not Zion. And yes, Lillard or Beal or Curry would be good and others too. Just thinking that if the Pels move Davis - does Jrue become a trade target. Also, I guess if the Blazers flame out in the playoffs - and if you are in the West, that could happen - -they might move one of the two guards.

I guess just have to wait and see - that pick, if not Zion, might have more options than I am even thinking about today.

I would trade the pick, even if it were Zion to get Curry.
Unless you mean Seth. I don't think he'd cost us our first rounder though.

I could see Portland making one of CJ / Lillard available if they flame out early again.

I'll take the number 2 pick - would really control a lot of the draft since Zion is such a foregone conclusion. But the Suns could have a few trade options - if somebody wants Morant? Barrett? in a flip or like with Portland - maybe they feel like a chance necessary

(TJ or JJ) + #2 = ?

[sunsbum]

I feel like i have to say this about 4 times a year for the last 3 years. The Blazers will never trade dame, end of story. I listen to blazer talk pretty much every day and they are actually really excited about the team they have. With the emergence of layman and the trade for whats his face from clevland they (fans, radio guys and players) feel like they have a really good chance to compete in the playoffs.

Also why are we talking kemba walker again? Hasnt he said multiple times he wants to stay with the bobcats?!

[bwgood77]

I feel like i have to say this about 4 times a year for the last 3 years. The Blazers will never trade dame, end of story. I listen to blazer talk pretty much every day and they are actually really excited about the team they have. With the emergence of layman and the trade for whats his face from clevland they (fans, radio guys and players) feel like they have a really good chance to compete in the playoffs.

Also why are we talking kemba walker again? Hasnt he said multiple times he wants to stay with the bobcats?!

Yes, I was going to say they will never trade Dame. And obviously Curry isn't getting traded. Who knows about Kemba but if he is leaving for a better team it's probably not us. But he's said he wants to be there and they've said they want him. There are reports execs expect him to want out but there have been reports that people expect Booker will ask at soon, so we know those are usually just wild speculation.

[jcsunsfan]

I we can draft Ja, I would do it. Look at Trae, look at Shai. There are lots of guards who are effective in their first year. Ja is that type of guard.

If we end up with the third pick. I take Barrett and figure the rest out. I know we have a ton of small forwards but that is no reason to pass on talent. We can trade him or other of our sf's.

If we end up with the 4-5 pick, I would consider trading it. But unless we get a good offer, I would swing for the fences on that pick and draft Bol Bol. That kid is 7-3, handles the ball like a wing, has inside moves and outside moves, has a sweet shot from three, and is a human flyswatter. He is 7-3 but has stretch 4 skills. He is Gobert with a three pointer. I think could play along side Ayton. He is way down on draft boards right now, but the closer we get to the draft, the more he is going to shoot up the draft boards.

[Revived]

I we can draft Ja, I would do it. Look at Trae, look at Shai. There are lots of guards who are effective in their first year. Ja is that type of guard.

If we end up with the third pick. I take Barrett and figure the rest out. I know we have a ton of small forwards but that is no reason to pass on talent. We can trade him or other of our sf's.

If we end up with the 4-5 pick, I would consider trading it. But unless we get a good offer, I would swing for the fences on that pick and draft Bol Bol. That kid is 7-3, handles the ball like a wing, has inside moves and outside moves, has a sweet shot from three, and is a human flyswatter. He is 7-3 but has stretch 4 skills. He is Gobert with a three pointer. I think could play along side Ayton. He is way down on draft boards right now, but the closer we get to the draft, the more he is going to shoot up the draft boards.

Please don’t compare Morant to Trae Young. They are literally nothing like each other and even with Morant’s good assist #s, he doesn’t have Trae’s court vision and not even half as good a 3pt shooter as Trae.

[Revived]

Phoenix Suns forward T.J. Warren will remain sidelined due a bone bruise in his right ankle for the team’s games on Saturday and Sunday, per 98.7 FM Arizona’s Sports Station’s John Gambadoro.

The Suns continue to take Warren’s situation day-by-day and have not ruled him out for the rest of the season yet despite a little over a month remaining.

http://arizonasports.com/story/1866856/t-j-warren-remains-out-for-suns-weekend-road-trip-due-to-right-ankle/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Bone bruises can actually take a long time, I was just reading the other day of how Robert Covington has been out for a very long time because of it.

[bwgood77]

I we can draft Ja, I would do it. Look at Trae, look at Shai. There are lots of guards who are effective in their first year. Ja is that type of guard.

If we end up with the third pick. I take Barrett and figure the rest out. I know we have a ton of small forwards but that is no reason to pass on talent. We can trade him or other of our sf's.

If we end up with the 4-5 pick, I would consider trading it. But unless we get a good offer, I would swing for the fences on that pick and draft Bol Bol. That kid is 7-3, handles the ball like a wing, has inside moves and outside moves, has a sweet shot from three, and is a human flyswatter. He is 7-3 but has stretch 4 skills. He is Gobert with a three pointer. I think could play along side Ayton. He is way down on draft boards right now, but the closer we get to the draft, the more he is going to shoot up the draft boards.

What makes you so sure Ja is a guy that it THAT type of guard who would be effective in his first year? He wasn't nearly as effective in college in a small bad conference in his first year. And his step to the pros from such a small conference would be much bigger than Trae and Shai's steps. And then his two biggest flaws, 3 pt shooting and defense are the two biggest Suns flaws.

I don't have a ton of knowledge on Ja, but I don't if he's for a sure can't miss who will be highly effective immediately in the NBA. Only few players are, and most of the guys from small schools were elite shooters.

[TheLogician]

He says his coach lets him play with "a lot of freedom." That would explain the turnovers. I wonder how he'll take to a structured offense. If Igor is the coach, maybe not a good fit.

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[bigfoot]

Do y'all want us to stay bad?

I see people saying "lets get TJ McConnell, Rondo, Rozier, etc."

Those PG's will not make us contend for playoffs at all! They just help us waste money !

We need to either trade for Ball (Pass First , Defensive PG who can play next to Booker), or get one of the following somehow Rubio, Jru Holiday, or someone of that PG caliber.

Rubio is my ideal PG next to Booker. Smart, Defensive, and pass first. If somehow we get Zion, or trade #2,3 and Jackson, Warren, future picks for a PF (even Love) imagine

Rubio
Booker
Oubre
Love or Zion
Ayton

with a bench

Tyler Johnson
Bridges
Melton
Bender
Holmes

Yeah except you miss the biggest flaw in Rubio's game. He can't shoot and his three point percentage is horrible. We need shooters. Tyler Johnson at least has a respectable three point percentage for his career. Ball has the same problems and his free throw shooting is even worse. Some of these suggestions for PGs are absurd.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I we can draft Ja, I would do it. Look at Trae, look at Shai. There are lots of guards who are effective in their first year. Ja is that type of guard.

If we end up with the third pick. I take Barrett and figure the rest out. I know we have a ton of small forwards but that is no reason to pass on talent. We can trade him or other of our sf's.

If we end up with the 4-5 pick, I would consider trading it. But unless we get a good offer, I would swing for the fences on that pick and draft Bol Bol. That kid is 7-3, handles the ball like a wing, has inside moves and outside moves, has a sweet shot from three, and is a human flyswatter. He is 7-3 but has stretch 4 skills. He is Gobert with a three pointer. I think could play along side Ayton. He is way down on draft boards right now, but the closer we get to the draft, the more he is going to shoot up the draft boards.

What makes you so sure Ja is a guy that it THAT type of guard who would be effective in his first year? He wasn't nearly as effective in college in a small bad conference in his first year. And his step to the pros from such a small conference would be much bigger than Trae and Shai's steps. And then his two biggest flaws, 3 pt shooting and defense are the two biggest Suns flaws.

I don't have a ton of knowledge on Ja, but I don't if he's for a sure can't miss who will be highly effective immediately in the NBA. Only few players are, and most of the guys from small schools were elite shooters.

Personally I think Ja shouldn't start next year but I could see him as a 20 minute a night go get buckets off the bench type guard. Basically in the Crawford role. Start Johnson but if Ja is hot he could finish some games.

Considering the other options if they don't land Zion my favorite offseason plan is draft either Ja or Garland, keep Johnson for a year then go find a starting PF like Aminu then add another cheap vet or two. Keep oubre at a reasonable price and move Jackson.

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[RedIndian]

I'd see if the Cavs would do something like this:

Warren
Jackson

for

Nance Jr
Osman

Warren would be a major upgrade for them on the wings - in the East, he'd easily be a 20 point scorer, and they could do with that talent. Jackson would also be someone whose option they have the ability to pick up (a lot of salaries expiring in 2020) and develop.

For us, I really like Nance's fit on this team. He's a dirt worker with a high IQ, and would really fit in well with the hustle and defense approach we've started seeing lately. He's also added a 3 ball of late to his game, so I can see him as a good long term fit at PF next to Ayton.

Osman's been inconsistent, but he's a better shooter than Jackson, and if he gets it together, we'd have a good shooter to bring off the bench.

[Qwigglez]

I’d be willing to sign Rubio if we couldn’t get Jrue, Conley, DLo, or Kemba. He’s basically fifth on my wish list, but more like 2nd in my realistic targets available.

We could probably trade Jackson to another team with cap space and a 2nd round pick and then have enough money to sign Rubio and just trot out the same roster along with our pick.

[Qwigglez]

I'd see if the Cavs would do something like this:

Warren
Jackson

for

Nance Jr
Osman

Warren would be a major upgrade for them on the wings - in the East, he'd easily be a 20 point scorer, and they could do with that talent. Jackson would also be someone whose option they have the ability to pick up (a lot of salaries expiring in 2020) and develop.

For us, I really like Nance's fit on this team. He's a dirt worker with a high IQ, and would really fit in well with the hustle and defense approach we've started seeing lately. He's also added a 3 ball of late to his game, so I can see him as a good long term fit at PF next to Ayton.

Osman's been inconsistent, but he's a better shooter than Jackson, and if he gets it together, we'd have a good shooter to bring off the bench.

I feel Warren has more value for us than getting Nance and Osman. I’d be willing to give them JJ for Nance and maybe give up our 2nd round pick.