Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[DOT]

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.


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How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

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Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

And to start Mtich over LFT and Kornet

Or play Dot over Tim

Literally everything says to not play Mudiay or Knox, though Knox gets a pass for being a rookie

Or how about not starting Mario for 15 games

Or to not sub out Frank for Mudiay at the end of a game where Frank's shut down Harden every time he's on him while Harden is shooting 100% against Mudiay

I can't say for sure about Perry, but Fiz hates advanced stats when they don't agree with him

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[Fat Kat]

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.


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How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

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Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

Explain

[Phish Tank]

How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

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Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

Explain

Knox had no discernible skills outside of dunking, age, and the guise of athleticism. Yet all it took was one workout for them to blow a load over him.

No advanced stats tell you to acquire Mudiay.

[Thugger HBC]

They merely called it a tool in the toolbox. I don't see how you can truly apply it to a rookie or a second player, especially when they this young.

[Fat Kat]

Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

Explain

Knox had no discernible skills outside of dunking, age, and the guise of athleticism. Yet all it took was one workout for them to blow a load over him.

No advanced stats tell you to acquire Mudiay.

Yet he picked Mitch whom was beloved by draft analytics.

[thelastpope]

How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

Watch on YouTube

Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

And to start Mtich over LFT and Kornet

Or play Dot over Tim

Literally everything says to not play Mudiay or Knox, though Knox gets a pass for being a rookie

Or how about not starting Mario for 15 games

Or to not sub out Frank for Mudiay at the end of a game where Frank's shut down Harden every time he's on him while Harden is shooting 100% against Mudiay

I can't say for sure about Perry, but Fiz hates advanced stats when they don't agree with him

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Seen some games where frank get 2 TOs in a quarter and get yanked quick, seen Mudiay get 4 TOs in a quarter and still gets to play through it

This has happened multiple games

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[Chanel Bomber]

Frank may or may not be a bust (I think he is), but he's definitely not a point guard.

He doesn't have a good handle, he can't make quick decisions with the ball, he lacks creativity, he lacks burst... There's nothing about his game that suggests that he could be a point guard in the NBA.

As a two-guard who can act as a secondary ball-handler, cut to the basket (something he needs to work on by the way), defend on the perimeter, and hopefully make a few shots from the outside, sure there's some upside there. But as a point guard? No way.

[Mecca]

All elite defenders have grit.

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Never said he’s a bad defender, just don’t think he’s elite of elite. He’s a good/very good defender. Not sure if he ever reaches elite all nba tier.

[LeStud]

How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

Watch on YouTube

Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

And to start Mtich over LFT and Kornet

Or play Dot over Tim

Literally everything says to not play Mudiay or Knox, though Knox gets a pass for being a rookie

Or how about not starting Mario for 15 games

Or to not sub out Frank for Mudiay at the end of a game where Frank's shut down Harden every time he's on him while Harden is shooting 100% against Mudiay

I can't say for sure about Perry, but Fiz hates advanced stats when they don't agree with him

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[dakomish23]

Also, the saddest part of all of this to me is, if Frank were the exact same player on a different team, we would trade for him and give him more playing time than he would get now if he were healthy. The amount of rope we give to other reclamation projects is insane. Frank is always on a tight leash.

Nailed it. It should have been the opposite from day one

[dakomish23]

signing crap players doesn’t mean anything.

also hopefully this means franks gets playing time to regain any value.

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

Acquiring PG after PG could mean they don't think he is a PG. To make the leap that because they are acquiring lots of PGs means they don't have faith in him as an overall player is a logical leap that doesn't make sense. Burke is also gone and Mudiay will be gone as well (just like when everyone was convinced we were re-signing Rose, no way Mudiay is back). That leaves DSJ who was a necessary asset to get back in the KP deal. There really hasn't been any indication they are looking to dump Frank.

I wouldn’t be too confident about Mudiay not coming back. That seems like a lock with this news.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Or....this report is being leaked to encourage him to hurry back and show some want-to?
Did he tear the groin?

Nah. He’s out.
This is all very bizarre tho.
They didn’t even give him a stretch to see what he can do.

[prophet_of_rage]

Or....this report is being leaked to encourage him to hurry back and show some want-to?
Did he tear the groin?

Nah. He’s out.
This is all very bizarre tho.
They didn’t even give him a stretch to see what he can do.

He's had 2 years!

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[HarthorneWingo]

Who is "knicksrebuilder" and how do we stop him/her from posting threads?

I feel like he's a terminator Knick fan bot, unstoppable.

It's like playing Whack-A-Mole

[HarthorneWingo]

Who is "knicksrebuilder" and how do we stop him/her from posting threads?

We're out in front on this one.

God speed, man.

[HarthorneWingo]

Where are we going?

Whambalam, Wingo gonna get a ban, Whambalam, banned as fast as you can!

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Needs moar Cocaine!

—Mags

and cowbell

[Icandoallthings]

Or....this report is being leaked to encourage him to hurry back and show some want-to?
Did he tear the groin?

Nah. He’s out.
This is all very bizarre tho.
They didn’t even give him a stretch to see what he can do.

He's had 2 years!

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Frank seems to be in different offense and defensive sets than the rest of the team. I don't know how else to phrase it but you know exactly what I am talking about.

[Richard4444]

Landing Durant and another Big FA, we will have only 30,7M (109M Cap Space - 70,8M of FA salary and 7,5 dead space) to pay 11 players to complete a 13 players minimum roster. Maybe we have to pass on good cost controled contracts such Trier, Kornet and Henry. In that situation, its hard to keep a 4,9M project as Frank in the books.

If, by hipothesis, we chose to waive Frank to keep Trier (3,5 Team Option), Kornet (Cap Hold 2M) and Henry (1,5M team option) in the books, we would only get a 0,3 aditional Cap Space hit (5,2M against 4,9M of Franks contract). Because, we would be able to save 2 extras minumum roster charges with 3 players in the roster (Trier, Kornet and Henry) instead of just 1 (Frank).

This explains why it makes sense trading Frank for a more cheap player to save cap space to help keep others players in the books.

[mpharris36]

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Westbrook didn’t do that tho.

To be honest, I don't know if Westbrook said something or not. It's mostly irrelevant.

Fact is that we have elite defensive performances that Frank put on against the top players in the game to point to when assessing him as a defensive prospect.

We don't need to rely on some subjective intangible like grit.

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[FlashFlood]

Frank's projecting to 'role player' so of course he's tradeable.

The team's so bad, I wouldn't really get attached to anybody right now.