Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[Sark]

Stereotypes?

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.


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How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

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They spend the entire time telling us that analytics is just a tool in the toolbox, and the people are just as important, if not more important than what the data tells them.


I would literally bet $1000 right now that Scott Perry and/or especially Steve Mills couldn't define the difference between RPM, RAPM, or PIPM on the spot. Even if you gave them 5 minutes to look it up, they would have a hard time describing the difference.

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank's projecting to 'role player' so of course he's tradeable.

The team's so bad, I wouldn't really get attached to anybody right now.

Frank hasn't gotten a real chance. Playing Mudiay over him this year was dumb AF.

[knicksNOTslick]

Frank is better off on another team anyway, with a franchise willing to be more patient with his development and one that values defense. He needs to go to a more structured team. Sometimes NY isn't the place for that. Takes a certain type to thrive here and Frank's a great prospect and all, he just doesn't fit in any way. Wish him the best.

[Phish Tank]

Fizdale and the FO are going to “Diaw” Frank. And fiz should know this since he was an assistant under Woodson. But stupid learns from stupid. And Diaw lasted longer than a lot of flameouts in that draft

[Greenie]

Dudes have a habit of throwing salt at me when an article drops that says things that they don’t like.

Not sure what people said. Frank has sucked and sure he may not be in teams future plans.

Doesn’t change that this is Berman writing this, who has a history of being right just about never

...but let Berman drop a KD/AD/Kyrie to NY article and all of a sudden his word is bond. Y’all can’t pick and choose when you deem him to be credible.

Tomorrow is Sunday. Don’t preach today.

[magnumt]

Not sure what people said. Frank has sucked and sure he may not be in teams future plans.

Doesn’t change that this is Berman writing this, who has a history of being right just about never

...but let Berman drop a KD/AD/Kyrie to NY article and all of a sudden his word is bond. Y’all can’t pick and choose when you deem him to be credible.

Tomorrow is Sunday. Don’t preach today.

Spoiler:

—Mags

[Greenie]

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Never said he’s a bad defender, just don’t think he’s elite of elite. He’s a good/very good defender. Not sure if he ever reaches elite all nba tier.

Franks defense is overrated around here.

He's good but elite? nah


If it was then it would make up for his offensive shortcomings.

[Knickgm2190]

Wrong, facts. Nothing Scott Perry has done has shown a penchant for analytics.


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How does one “show a penchant for analytics” exactly, and how has Perry neglected to do these things? Show me these facts.

Now here’s Perry talking about using analytics.

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Analytics would tell you not to draft Knox, acquire mudiay, or hire fiz

Which analytical stats are you referring too? Seems like you are just talking without any real specificity.

[Knickgm2190]

Grit can only get you so far... just ask the 90s knicks


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All elite defenders have grit.

westbrook and harden would say otherwise...they both specifically sought out frank after the game impressed with his defense. They don't just do that...

Source?

[Knickgm2190]

Tim Duncan?


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The fact that you have to cherry pick names is exactly my point.

It’s subjective. Would you consider Kawhi gritty?

yes. Grit and defensive aggression. Those are traits Frank lacks. It will limit his ceiling defensively.

[Knickgm2190]

Add CJ McCollum to that list

Westbrook didn’t do that tho.

To be honest, I don't know if Westbrook said something or not. It's mostly irrelevant.

Fact is that we have elite defensive performances that Frank put on against the top players in the game to point to when assessing him as a defensive prospect.

We don't need to rely on some subjective intangible like grit.

Frank has done nothing elite in his nba career. Has he been solid to good at times. yes, but elite at any point no.

[CDAZ]

Just trade him already so we can move on to the next whipping boy. Kevin Knox come on down...........

[gavran]

Acquiring point guard after point guard after point guard shows that the Knicks don’t have much faith in Frank. It’s clear as day

i never thought frank was a pg, just a player that can make the extra pass.

which you need on a team that rarely makes the extra pass

But it's also completely useless on a team, that can't hit an outside shot. Man, the Knicks are an enigma.

[ny-n-md]

I’m also of the opinion that Frank never really got a fair shot at being the team’s PG. I still think he has potential to be a very good PG but that will never happen if we keep adding a ton of other PG’s that all play. If Fiz actually ran some sort of offensive system it would help this kid a lot.

He has shown flashes on improving his offensive repertoire but his minutes and role has been so inconsistent that it’s impossible to expect consistency from him. He’s just 20.

I haven’t given up on him but I don’t know if the FO ever truly believed in him once Phil got canned. It took a lot for me to buy in to him as our PG, but once we picked him I supported him and wanted to give him until year 3 to see how he panned out.

I didn’t expect all of these other PG’s to keep joining the team during those years though. That SCREAMS lack of confidence from the FO.

For those who supported and wanted Frank from jump, how do you feel about him now? Has your opinion or outlook changed? I’m not trying to hate or bait but I’m just curious since he had so many supporters and I had to eventually buy in.

[thebuzzardman]

Love some of the opinions here.

"His defense isn't elite". Who knows. Since the Knicks are stacked with so many elite defenders, probably should send Frank's ass packing.

Full list of plus defenders on Knicks:
Mitch
Dotson
Frank
LFT
MAYBE DJ
Yeah, get rid of this guy ASAP.

It's not listed here, but I recall as a corollary to the above "Frank's not one of the top individual defenders and anyway INDIVIDUAL DEFENSE ISN'T IMPORTANT. Sniff. Not impressed. In the NBA today, it's all about team defense."

Fiz runs out total crap defensive schemes and the defense sucks in general: "Oh, Fiz just needs better players, it's not his fault, it's the players fault"
Lets all ignore the fact that Frank appears to understand team defense at a higher level, and plays it, than any other player on the
team. Certainly true of the perimeter players.

And my new favorite. He's not "gritty" enough. Well, maybe he can stop lotioning his skin and be ashy enough. Maybe that'll work.

[J9Starks3]

I just really want to see DSJ, Frank, Dot, Knox, Mitch lineup get serious burn together down the stretch. Frank, Dot, Mitch can be really disruptive on the defensive end.

[thebuzzardman]

I just really want to see DSJ, Frank, Dot, Knox, Mitch lineup get serious burn together down the stretch. Frank, Dot, Mitch can be really disruptive on the defensive end.

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[Reign23]

**** the rumors, I still have hope that he can become a longterm starter for us.

[thebuzzardman]

My personal dream scenario is Zion gets drafted by Mavs, the Knicks get the 5th pick, package it with DSJr and Frank and Knox and Mitch for AD, Frank gets rerouted to the Mavs, who go own to feature Donic/KP/Frank/Zion/That german dude, make the playoffs often, while DSJr and Mitch kill it with JRue for a few years on the Pels.

And AD gets hurt and Knicks are a 6th seed for 4 years, while Kyrie and KD melt down amid the NY Tabloid harping of unmet expectations. Trier gets sent packing for some veteran help that doesn't help. With one of those Mavs' picks, so the Knicks have less assets moving forward.

For the next 4 years, I get to glory in the bitter recriminations of Knick fans, as the unsatisfying present and the bleak future turn them on each other more than ever.

[aq_ua]

My personal dream scenario is Zion gets drafted by Mavs, the Knicks get the 5th pick, package it with DSJr and Frank and Knox and Mitch for AD, Frank gets rerouted to the Mavs, who go own to feature Donic/KP/Frank/Zion/That german dude, make the playoffs often, while DSJr and Mitch kill it with JRue for a few years on the Pels.

And AD gets hurt and Knicks are a 6th seed for 4 years, while Kyrie and KD melt down amid the NY Tabloid harping of unmet expectations. Trier gets sent packing for some veteran help that doesn't help. With one of those Mavs' picks, so the Knicks have less assets moving forward.

For the next 4 years, I get to glory in the bitter recriminations of Knick fans, as the unsatisfying present and the bleak future turn them on each other more than ever.