Bullock to Lakers

[Spider156]

I'd be pretty surprised if we signed him back, actually. I wouldn't mind it, I think he can still help us, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

I think he'll want to move on.

You seem to be the voice of reason on occasion.

What do you think is the right contract for Bullock and what type of deal do you think he’ll end up signing?

I'd give him 30m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed. He'd be a great asset on the trade deadline for two years.

[BadMofoPimp]

I'd be pretty surprised if we signed him back, actually. I wouldn't mind it, I think he can still help us, but I don't think it's gonna happen.

I think he'll want to move on.

You seem to be the voice of reason on occasion.

What do you think is the right contract for Bullock and what type of deal do you think he’ll end up signing?

I'd give him 30m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed. He'd be a great asset on the trade deadline for two years.

I doubt he gets even that. He really has not looked good at all on the Lakers. Last 5 games, he is shooting 31% from floor and 15% from the 3 with 0 steals. I bet he accepts the MLE from some team.

[Uncle Mxy]

You seem to be the voice of reason on occasion.

What do you think is the right contract for Bullock and what type of deal do you think he’ll end up signing?

I'd give him 30m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed. He'd be a great asset on the trade deadline for two years.

I doubt he gets even that. He really has not looked good at all on the Lakers. Last 5 games, he is shooting 31% from floor and 15% from the 3 with 0 steals. I bet he accepts the MLE from some team.

The 2019 MLE and "30 m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed" is pretty much the same thing... LOL

[Snakebites]

I'd give him 30m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed. He'd be a great asset on the trade deadline for two years.

I doubt he gets even that. He really has not looked good at all on the Lakers. Last 5 games, he is shooting 31% from floor and 15% from the 3 with 0 steals. I bet he accepts the MLE from some team.

The 2019 MLE and "30 m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed" is pretty much the same thing... LOL

Yep. MLE starts at about 9 mill. Factor in increases and it’s probably about 30 for 3.

[BadMofoPimp]

I doubt he gets even that. He really has not looked good at all on the Lakers. Last 5 games, he is shooting 31% from floor and 15% from the 3 with 0 steals. I bet he accepts the MLE from some team.

The 2019 MLE and "30 m 3 years 3rd year is team option partially guaranteed" is pretty much the same thing... LOL

Yep. MLE starts at about 9 mill. Factor in increases and it’s probably about 30 for 3.

Close and true. I forgot how much it increased over past 5 years. Last year, a 3 year MLE came out to $27 mil. But, the increase was only 2.7% over the year before. So, even with a 5% increase, he probably just breaks $28 mil.

[Kilo]

Where will Bullock play here? Kennard and Brown are our 2-guards going forward it certainly seems and we need size at the three given the freak wings we have to match-up against.

He was traded for bupkis because Stefanski decided not to want to keep him and thus traded away his Bird Rights to rid the organization of any fan pressure to keep the guy and go into the tax to do so. He's losing money with his LAL play as well - if he played out the season here he would be looking at $10M AAV with fan pressure to keep him. Smart by our FO to trade him.

[bstein14]

There are so many good FA's this year both Reggie B and Ellington are guys who could be taking deals worth less than they want. Guys like Reggie B, KCP, Ellington, Rozier, Ross, Wesley Matthews, Jeremy Lamb, Tyreke Evans, Patrick Beverly, Terrance Ross, Danny Green could all be looking at less than MLE type deals. Obviously some of those guys are better than others and some will get MLE or above but lots of these guys are going to be in the $4-5-6 million range.

There are tons and tons of deals FA's this summer and only so many MLEs to go out. If big name players move (Like Leonard to LAC and Durant/Kyrie to New York) it eats up even more cap space. Remember any team that signs a new FA to a deal larger than the MLE will usually have to renounce their MLE to have the full ability of their capspace so those teams don't get MLE.

[bstein14]

I will say that the league has been shifting. A few years ago it wouldn't have been possible to have 4 6'5" shooting guards as your wing players but now I think its more possible with so much being 3 point shooting and teams are rarely posting wing players anymore. Thon's ability to guard the three also give you a tall lanky player that can make things difficult for opposing 3s. We also have the benefit of Blake being quick enough to defend bigger threes. We're also seeing guys who are bigger threes moving into the four spot like Giannis.

If anything, with this shift we're seeing the league become smaller and it be more about talent than just being in the league because you're a few inches taller. Guys like Stanley Johnson (if he never develops a shot) are going to be falling out of rotations where guys like Luke (who can shoot but isn't nearly big or athletic) are becoming rotation players. Part of this is also because of the rule changes that punish players for trying to play physical tough defense. So many touch fouls now that having big physical defenders on the wings is just less important than having guys who are quick and can get it back on the offensive end.

[BadMofoPimp]

There are so many good FA's this year both Reggie B and Ellington are guys who could be taking deals worth less than they want. Guys like Reggie B, KCP, Ellington, Rozier, Ross, Wesley Matthews, Jeremy Lamb, Tyreke Evans, Patrick Beverly, Terrance Ross, Danny Green could all be looking at less than MLE type deals. Obviously some of those guys are better than others and some will get MLE or above but lots of these guys are going to be in the $4-5-6 million range.

There are tons and tons of deals FA's this summer and only so many MLEs to go out. If big name players move (Like Leonard to LAC and Durant/Kyrie to New York) it eats up even more cap space. Remember any team that signs a new FA to a deal larger than the MLE will usually have to renounce their MLE to have the full ability of their capspace so those teams don't get MLE.

Tyreke Evans would be a perfect fit here. I wonder what KCP would command being he has been reduced to a bench player. Green would be a solid rotation player as well. Ross will be getting around $15 mil per.

[ComboGuardCity]

T-Ross is probably on a different plain than those other guys. He’s really turned it up this year.

[DetroitPistons]

The dream scenario is to get Marcus Morris back with the full MLE and guaranteeing him the starting SF position. He is the perfect SF for us.

[tmorgan]

The dream scenario is to get Marcus Morris back with the full MLE and guaranteeing him the starting SF position. He is the perfect SF for us.

Does he still stall out the offense and take a lot of contested 2's, ala Carmelo? If so, I disagree.

[DetroitPistons]

The dream scenario is to get Marcus Morris back with the full MLE and guaranteeing him the starting SF position. He is the perfect SF for us.

Does he still stall out the offense and take a lot of contested 2's, ala Carmelo? If so, I disagree.

A big hard-nosed defensive SF who can shoot 3s and also get his own shot is pretty idea. He had a good tenure here and left on good terms. I think he would fit in very well. The question is whether or not the MLE is enough to entice him to come back.

[tmorgan]

The dream scenario is to get Marcus Morris back with the full MLE and guaranteeing him the starting SF position. He is the perfect SF for us.

Does he still stall out the offense and take a lot of contested 2's, ala Carmelo? If so, I disagree.

A big hard-nosed defensive SF who can shoot 3s and also get his own shot is pretty idea. He had a good tenure here and left on good terms. I think he would fit in very well. The question is whether or not the MLE is enough to entice him to come back.

I liked his attitude. I like his range and his toughness. I don't think we need a 2-point shot creator, though, so I question his offensive fit.

[zeebneeb]

The dream scenario is to get Marcus Morris back with the full MLE and guaranteeing him the starting SF position. He is the perfect SF for us.

Does he still stall out the offense and take a lot of contested 2's, ala Carmelo? If so, I disagree.

Well, here's the thing.

If the Pistons land a premiere SG in a trade(let's say Beal. Dont care how just as long as reggie,andre,blake,kennard, and ish are safe)then adding Morris would be perfect.

Reggie
Beal
Morris
Blake
Andre

That's a title team.

If no premiere SG is signed, then no. Josh Richardson out of Miami is another player I'd do that combo with as well.

Just Morris no way.

[tmorgan]

How do we trade for stars or near stars without giving up anything?

[DBC10]

The dream scenario is to get Marcus Morris back with the full MLE and guaranteeing him the starting SF position. He is the perfect SF for us.

Does he still stall out the offense and take a lot of contested 2's, ala Carmelo? If so, I disagree.

He does. That’s been one of the sources of the BOS problems too but Stevens has limited his ISOs but he really loves his bread and butter, those 2s

He was scorching fire from 3 before BOS imploded in February, but hasn’t really been as good since.

[DetroitPistons]

I liked his attitude. I like his range and his toughness. I don't think we need a 2-point shot creator, though, so I question his offensive fit.

He is shooting 38% from 3 this year. That is pretty good. He takes plenty of them and hits them at a high rate. I'm sure his iso play wouldn't be a huge issue. First of all, his iso play is really nice for getting good looks at the end of the shot clock to bail us out. Second of all, if he does take too many then we can taper them back just like we did with Drummond's post ups. His defense and size is crucial for guarding guys like Leonard and Giannis.

[tmorgan]

I liked his attitude. I like his range and his toughness. I don't think we need a 2-point shot creator, though, so I question his offensive fit.

He is shooting 38% from 3 this year. That is pretty good. He takes plenty of them and hits them at a high rate. I'm sure his iso play wouldn't be a huge issue. First of all, his iso play is really nice for getting good looks at the end of the shot clock to bail us out. Second of all, if he does take too many then we can taper them back just like we did with Drummond's post ups. His defense and size is crucial for guarding guys like Leonard and Giannis.

Marcus is a grinder and has good size for someone able to play the 3, but he couldn't do anything with Kawhi, and he certainly couldn't do anything with Giannis, because no one can (except maybe Kawhi). Marcus is not, by any means, quick-footed. Put him on a bruising type and he'll look solid (LeBron, for example), but he's aging and wasn't quick-twitch to begin with.

[DetroitPistons]

How do we trade for stars or near stars without giving up anything?

I've posted similar trade ideas before but for some reason people still think we don't have anything to give up in a trade so I'll try again.

Galloway (expiring), Leuer (expiring), Kennard, #17, 2020 FRP, 2022 FRP for Beal

Full MLE for Morris

Resign Ish to a similar contract

Pick up Robinson's deal and then do a sign and trade with a team so that we can give Ellington about 5mil/yr. We offer the LAL 2021 SRP for a team to take on Robinson for a year.

Vet min to Tolliver

Vet min to Calderon

Vet min for Pachulia

Jackson/Smith/Calderon
Beal/Ellington/Thomas
Morris/Brown/Mykhailiuk
Griffin/Tolliver
Drummond/Maker/Pachulia

Championship