2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

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Post#3101 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:35 pm

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I think this is letting Adams off the hook at litlte bit too easily. Yes, Westbrook is not really defending the PnR, but hell, when has he ever done that? The last two games at least, Noel looked much more agile. And that's not on Westbrook or whatever guard is defending a play with Adams. More often than not, Adams has been in no man's land, ie not defending any action properly. If the schematic approach to the PnR is that Adams gets up into the ballhandler and puts pressure on that guy, he can't be giving the ballhandler 4 feet of space to operate while his man has a free lane to the rim. He has to commit to something. And lastly: When Schröder+Noel looks more proficient in the PnR than Westbrook+Adams, something's wrong with Adams as well, simply because Schröder isn't locking people up either. It's too easy to just point at Noel playing against 2nd units - Adams is making 25 million a year to do a good job against the best offensive players.

That tweet from Horne doesn’t acknowledge that our “switch everything” defense gives opposing teams exactly what they want, Adams trying to guard Harden or whoever at the three point line.


That's what I mentioned after one of the recent games: It's like they're trying to bait teams into getting a better crack at the basket with this weird switching. It takes Adams away from the paint where he's more effective and forces our smaller players to defend while being overmatched physically. It doesn't make sense, but we've been doing it way too often for it just being a coincidence.
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Post#3102 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:14 pm

Schröder is such a frustrating player with his up and downs all the time. Right now, he ranks 8th overall in the league with 28 games in which he took at least 10 shots and made just 40 % or less of them. In those 28 games, his TS% is 40.9 %. In the other 35 games, his TS% is 57.8 %. One could say he's more top than flop, but when he's off, he's so off he probably shouldn't even be on the floor because he doesn't stop shooting and the offensive possessions he finishes are basically the equivalent of a turnover.
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Post#3103 » by SecondTake » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:59 pm

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I think this is letting Adams off the hook at litlte bit too easily. Yes, Westbrook is not really defending the PnR, but hell, when has he ever done that? The last two games at least, Noel looked much more agile. And that's not on Westbrook or whatever guard is defending a play with Adams. More often than not, Adams has been in no man's land, ie not defending any action properly. If the schematic approach to the PnR is that Adams gets up into the ballhandler and puts pressure on that guy, he can't be giving the ballhandler 4 feet of space to operate while his man has a free lane to the rim. He has to commit to something. And lastly: When Schröder+Noel looks more proficient in the PnR than Westbrook+Adams, something's wrong with Adams as well, simply because Schröder isn't locking people up either. It's too easy to just point at Noel playing against 2nd units - Adams is making 25 million a year to do a good job against the best offensive players.


To be fair to Schroder though, he's actually trying on defense. He chases guys and harasses them aggressively, unfortunately he's just too small so he gets killed on drives. WB was great earlier in the season, but he seemed to stop trying about a month ago.

But yeah, Adams has been pretty bad for 25 mil/yr.
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Post#3104 » by JustOneFix » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:21 pm

Speaking of Adams, why we don't run a pick and roll with him and Westbrook? It was his bread and butter and basicaly our most effective play. But they don't do that at all anymore....
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Post#3105 » by acheema0 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:39 pm

TheGreatSatan wrote:Speaking of Adams, why we don't run a pick and roll with him and Westbrook? It was his bread and butter and basicaly our most effective play. But they don't do that at all anymore....


They do try it, but with Russ shooting as bad as he is, his defender just goes so far under that it's really hard for it to be very effective.
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Post#3106 » by Pillendreher » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:43 pm

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Post#3107 » by Thunder Up » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:47 pm

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and yet, we'll still see trash ass Nader instead of poor man's Zion
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Post#3108 » by Dadouv47 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:55 pm

Weird timing. He didn't play when we most needed him (when PG13 was injured)
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Post#3109 » by Old Man Game » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:27 pm

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and yet, we'll still see trash ass Nader instead of poor man's Zion

Like untouchable caste in India level poor man's Zion maybe.

But good for Burton though. I'm excited for him.
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Post#3110 » by Thunder Up » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:32 pm

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and yet, we'll still see trash ass Nader instead of poor man's Zion

Like untouchable caste in India level poor man's Zion maybe.

But good for Burton though. I'm excited for him.



Not really... they're both slashers with insane athleticism for their size and build
Also, on a side note Zion is insanely overrated as an NBA prospect
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Post#3111 » by SecondTake » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:30 pm

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and yet, we'll still see trash ass Nader instead of poor man's Zion

Like untouchable caste in India level poor man's Zion maybe.

But good for Burton though. I'm excited for him.


Burton weighs almost as much as Zion and is built like a tank. He's a decent shooter and can defend fairly well. He's not Zion, but he's not a scrub. I really don't understand why Nader has been getting minutes over Burton these past several weeks. I assumed it was because Burton wasnt going to be signed so they wanted to keep minutes with guys that would be playing in the playoffs, but that doesn't make any sense after this news. Perhaps OKC are ready to shake things up and start shifting Naders minutes over to Burton. Hope so.
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Post#3112 » by ThunderBolt » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:23 am

Any details on the contract?
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Post#3113 » by Thunder Up » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:19 am

OKC is 7-2 this year in games that Burton plays 10+ minutes
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Post#3114 » by SecondTake » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:31 pm

Thunder Up wrote:OKC is 7-2 this year in games that Burton plays 10+ minutes


Game changer. I was losing hope, but I think we're ripping through the playoffs now. Imagine pairing him up with Roberson and Noel? That would be some all time defense off the bench.
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Post#3115 » by acheema0 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:19 pm

SecondTake wrote:
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and yet, we'll still see trash ass Nader instead of poor man's Zion

Like untouchable caste in India level poor man's Zion maybe.

But good for Burton though. I'm excited for him.


Burton weighs almost as much as Zion and is built like a tank. He's a decent shooter and can defend fairly well. He's not Zion, but he's not a scrub. I really don't understand why Nader has been getting minutes over Burton these past several weeks. I assumed it was because Burton wasnt going to be signed so they wanted to keep minutes with guys that would be playing in the playoffs, but that doesn't make any sense after this news. Perhaps OKC are ready to shake things up and start shifting Naders minutes over to Burton. Hope so.


while yes he has been okay shooting mostly wide open threes, his off ball defense is nothing short of horrendous and he has terrible shot selection at times (though Nader's is pretty terrible too). I dont see any real difference between him and Nader, they both pretty much suck. Hope Burton proves me wrong though.
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Post#3116 » by acheema0 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:22 pm

ThunderBolt wrote:Any details on the contract?


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this is the most I've seen. I seriously doubt any of the other years are guaranteed though
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Post#3117 » by JustOneFix » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:23 pm

acheema0 wrote:I dont see any real difference between him and Nader, they both pretty much suck. Hope Burton proves me wrong though.


Burton's way, way better shooter and scorer then Nader. I would even give this kid a chance in a starting unit against lesser teams (if there are any for this team these days) over Ferguson.
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Post#3118 » by acheema0 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:31 pm

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acheema0 wrote:I dont see any real difference between him and Nader, they both pretty much suck. Hope Burton proves me wrong though.


Burton's way, way better shooter and scorer then Nader. I would even give this kid a chance in a starting unit against lesser teams (if there are any for this team these days) over Ferguson.


I mean choosing between Nader and Burton is like choosing between bird flu and ebola. They both absolutely suck and will probably kill you. That being said Nader is shooting higher than Burton from 3 on more attempts has a higher TS and efg. If you want to look at g league stats (yes I am bored) Nader has a higher efg and TS% there as well. So saying that Burton is a better scorer is categorically false. As for starting him over Ferguson? lol
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Post#3119 » by JustOneFix » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:52 pm

acheema0 wrote:
I mean choosing between Nader and Burton is like choosing between bird flu and ebola. They both absolutely suck and will probably kill you. That being said Nader is shooting higher than Burton from 3 on more attempts has a higher TS and efg. If you want to look at g league stats (yes I am bored) Nader has a higher efg and TS% there as well. So saying that Burton is a better scorer is categorically false. As for starting him over Ferguson? lol


You can not make any such statements on Burton simply because kid's never got a chance. He got only 2 fair shots in Portland and Houston games and he was absolutely great. Other games, he was either completely ignored on offense or just got scrub minutes to show anything. On the other hand, Nader is outhere every night and gets tons of minutes while showing very little.
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Post#3120 » by acheema0 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:55 pm

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I mean choosing between Nader and Burton is like choosing between bird flu and ebola. They both absolutely suck and will probably kill you. That being said Nader is shooting higher than Burton from 3 on more attempts has a higher TS and efg. If you want to look at g league stats (yes I am bored) Nader has a higher efg and TS% there as well. So saying that Burton is a better scorer is categorically false. As for starting him over Ferguson? lol


You can not make any such statements on Burton simply because kid's never got a chance. He got only 2 fair shots in Portland and Houston games and he was absolutely great. Other games, he was either completely ignored on offense or just got scrub minutes to show anything. On the other hand, Nader is outhere every night and gets tons of minutes while showing very little.


What do you mean? I purposefully included their g-league stats to increase the sample size. You cant say Burton hasn't gotten the chance in the g league. Nader was better than him scoring-wise there too.

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